Do You Believe in UFOs?

What could they be after?

They might be from space or another dimension.

Yes, I believe that there are flying objects that some people can not identify.
I also believe that some people create all kinds of fantasies about these objects,
including stories of little green and grey men.

i believe in ufo

How else do you think Biden got here?

Maybe we should ask to see his long form birth certificate?

It would HAVE to be a lng form if he came from another planet..

It's with Obama's.

Why do 'they' always land in the mid-west and make art deco crop circles?

"Why do 'they' always land in the mid-west [ . . . ] ?"

Because, the rest of the US is uninteresting and unimportant?

So cow dung is important. Got it.

No. But, I live in interesting California. ;-)

Since the earth is almost 70% water it would make sense they would land in water.

Though somewhere in the universe there are probably aliens with transportation that would look very strange to us, I do not believe they have visited us, at least not recently.

I think anyone who voted "no" is a little naive... of course there are UFOs. Whether or not they're manned by aliens should be your question.

Well - if the PICTURE is any indication of the OP's intent, then - NO, I dont believe in UFO's.

However - I do kinda believe in the unexplained phenominom(sp) that may,or may NOT be explained at a later date.

True... I'm pretty much on the same page as you are.

I wouldn't call Carl Sagan naive.

No, but many would..

They are most likely drones. Buy your own while you still can. Also get transmitting equipment and hacker tools to hijack those mysterious drones buzzing you in your back yard.

We've never "been-alone" in the 'universe'.

I believe in I.L.A.'s

As a resident of Roswell, New Mexico in 1967, I have no doubt that not only do extra terrestrials exist, but that one of their crafts crashed in Roswell in 1947.

That story has been debunked enough already. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

While the story has been debunked by the government, I can assure you that the Roswell UFO crash happened. In 1967 I attended Mew Mexico Military Institute, and a friend in my company was a "towner", meaning he was from Roswell and had lived there all his life. His grandfather owned a farm in Roswell, and he personally knew the farmer who's land the craft crashed on. Roswell is a very small town, and secrets are hard to keep in small towns. I was sharing secrets with my friend about the deployment of nuclear weapons in Germany, and how it was the US policy to use those weapons if the Russians were to come pouring over the East German border at the Fulda Gap. I had been living in Germany at the time. That is when my friend shared what secrets he knew, which was about the Roswell crash. The details that he told me in 1967, which was only 20 years after the crash, were too specific to be made up. That was the first time I had heard about the Roswell incident, or any UFO crash anywhere. There was no reason for my friend to lie to me, and I didn't lie to him about the nuclear weapons that were deployed in Germany in the '60's.

Forgive me if I find your anecdote not the slightest bit compelling.

"The details that he told me in 1967, which was only 20 years after the crash, were too specific to be made up,"... Hogwash. It is trivial make up any detail you like, as specific as you want it.

And of course we know that people never lie or embellish stories to make them more interesting.. no, that never happens. Why would anyone have any reason to do that? No, it is FAR more likely that there is a massive conspiracy to cover up visitors from outer-space.

You can believe what you want to, but I am certain that the Roswell incident was real. And it was logical. Roswell New Mexico is about 125 miles southeast of where the first nuclear weapon was detonated just two years before on July 16th, 1945. The fact that humans had developed a nuclear weapon would be of great interest to extra-terrestrials, and nuclear weapons detonations give off massive amounts of gamma rays which are easily detectable. Even World War II sparked their interest. There were many UFO sightings by US bomber and fighter pilots during the war. They were not called UFO's by the pilots. They referred to them as "foo-fighters", and this is a matter of historic record. The sightings began in November, 1944 by the 415th Night Fighter Squadron.

And given that the nearest star outside of our solar system is over 4 light-years away, how would news of a nuclear detonation reach these aliens and allow them time to reach us in only two years?
Given the vastness of the known universe, and our lack of finding alien life even when we are searching for it, the probability that such alien life (with the tech to reach us) was just "hanging out" so close to home is ridiculous.

That fighter pilots see something they don't recognize is not an argument for extra-terrestrial visitors.

Like I said, you can believe what you want. But just look at the evolution of human flight and exploration. Humans went from the first powered flight in 1903 to the SR-71 flying into near space in 1976 - a mere 73 year period, or well within one person's lifetime. Given another two or three hundred year period, humans will colonize the solar system and reach to near star systems. It's natural to explore the unknown. Look at the evolution of human space flight, going from the first human in space in 1961 to the permanent human presence in space at the ISS in 2000, in just 39 years. Space stations would be necessary for interstellar travel, and we do not have the technology to detect one that is one light year out. There may be hundreds of space stations that travel between stars in our little corner of the galaxy, some 30 thousand light years from galactic central core.

Life is abundant in the universe, and intelligent life is as common place as microbial life.

All of your comments regarding human spaceflight do not appear to be relevant to the discussion.

When making a statement such as, "Life is abundant in the universe, and intelligent life is as common as microbial life." - you need *evidence* to back it up. So far no life has been detected off of our planet. I too believe it is likely to exist elsewhere.. but that isn't what is being discussed. We are talking about wether such extra-terrestrial life has visited this planet. For that we have zero evidence and in fact a HIGH probability that it hasn't happened and may never happen while there is life on this planet. The distances to other worlds are too great, and we have no evidence to suggest that faster-than-light travel is possible. Not all science fiction comes true :-).

The point I was making about the history of human flight is that it has progressed so fast that it is a fair bet that humans will be traveling to the closest star system in two or three hundred years. Humans have a natural desire to learn and explore, and that would be true for any intelligent species. The probability of intelligent life outside the earth is so high that it can't be calculated. Even conventional space travel is plausible in sub-light speeds. While it may take us ten years to reach Alpha Centuri at 4.3 light years distance, it is still possible to do. And that doesn't even take into account of the possibility of creating and traveling through worm holes in the future, if you believe that Einstein was correct, and many scientists and futurists do.

I'll remind you again. The first human to enter space was in 1961, and in less than one decade the first human landed on the moon. It's hard to imagine what space travel accomplishments will be made by humans by the year 2069. I believe that we will have the moon and Mars and Europa colonized by then. Permanent human presence on those moons and planet in our solar system. What was once science fiction became science reality in less than a half century. Buck Rodgers in the 25th century was written in 1928, when space travel by humans was pure fiction.

Way to ignore the evidence again. A couple posts ago you were claiming that a nuclear detonation brought aliens here in 2 years. You claim that the probability is super high for intelligent life, and oven the vastness of the universe, I wouldn't be surprised if there was intelligent life out there. But you ignore the *density* of life in the vast universe. If it is there it is spread out rather thinly - just like the worlds the life would live on... the probability that extra-terrestrials have managed to cross the vast distances to reach us, undetected, is so *small* that it is extremely highly unlikely. All of your other arguments don't have any weight...so what if Buck Rogers was written in 1928? What does that contribute to the argument that aliens have visited us? You know it's fiction right?

Again you are missing my point. Science FICTION precedes science FACT. 600 years ago mankind was convinced that if they sailed too far over the ocean, they would fall off the edge. 500 years ago mankind was sure that the earth was the center of the universe. 100 years ago mankind was sure that there could be no life at the bottom of the oceans. Today there are many that believe that it's impossible for intelligent life to travel between star systems. Life will be discovered very soon in our solar system, as soon as the planned robotic mission by NASA to Europa is complete. There is twice the amount of water on Europa than there is on planet earth. The mission will take place in 10 years, with the arrival at Jupiter in 2028.

We have no way of knowing what the density of life is in the universe, but new planets are being discovered all the time. Planets are a natural part of the stellar process and just our galaxy has a hundred billion stars. Life is a natural process as a result of stellar evolution as well. An extra-terrestrial species that was just a thousand years more advanced than our own would have the opportunity to explore the stars, and to travel vast distances. I'm sure that there are species in space that have been traversing the stars for thousands and even millions of years before mankind ever got off the ground.

I'm not arguing that some things that we can only imagine will one day come to be... but that *isn't* the point. You can't use fiction as evidence for reality! Suggesting that a civilization 1000 years more advanced than our own automatically has faster-than-light travel technology is absurd.

500 years ago a couple religious nuts stated that Earth was the centre of the universe. They did not *know* it.
Interesting that you can state already what the Europa mission will discover. You could have saved NASA a ton of money. Oh wait, that's not how science is done.

You have yet to address the inconsistency in your own argument regarding how fast the aliens got here, how you claim they are so plentiful and yet they can't be found, etc.

You aren't able to grasp basic logic it seems. You take massive illogical leaps to reach your pre-ordained conclusions.

You started off claiming that aliens have already visited, yet you have zero evidence. You are just making stuff up!

Like I have said before, IF you believe in Einstein's theories (many parts which have been proven to be true), then it's highly probable that worm holes exist, and that travel through those Lorentzian traversable wormholes is possible. A species one thousand years or even a million years more advanced than our own would have the technology and ability to achieve long distance space travel in short amounts of time.

I'm not making anything up. There is plenty of empirical evidence that aliens visited the earth in the past. A good example is the ruins at Puma Punku in Bolivia. There are carved stones made of dolomite, a rock that is harder than granite, and the largest of these carved stones weigh 131 metric tones, or 288,805 pounds. If you want to believe that a 2000 year old Indian culture with no writing skills, no math skills, and no technology carved these stones and transported them over 6 miles through the mountains at 11,000 feet elevation, then that's fine. Modern engineers will tell you that it is possible to do this - with modern diamond tipped saws, modern roads, and modern cranes. That one carved block of dolomite weighs more than a loaded space shuttle.

Have a read or a listen to this (about Pumapunka) http://skeptoid.com/episodes/...

Conclusion, "It is unnecessary to invoke aliens to explain the structures."

Next.
Your claims are fun to think about perhaps, but you still lack evidence. The evidence so far is overwhelmingly against aliens having already visited.

Like I said, you can believe what you want to believe. If you don't believe that worm holes can exist, that's fine.
If you don't believe in life more intelligent and advanced than man, that's fine too.
I'm not here to try and prove something that can't be proven. I simply stated my beliefs, and what supported those beliefs. My belief is that life is abundant throughout the universe, our galaxy, and our solar system, just as it is abundant in every part of the earth, from the coldest places at the polls to the darkest depths of the oceans. It's my belief that earth is not unique. I also believe that man will be traveling to nearby stars in 200 to 300 years. Just as I believe that other species have visited this earth, and have been doing so for hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions of years.

There are a dozen stars that are similar to our sun that are within a dozen light years away. The best candidate for intelligent life in my mind is Epsilon Eridani at a distance of 10.5 light years. While it is much younger than the sun, it's still old enough for life to have evolved to an intelligent level on one of its planets.

The existence of extra-terrestrial life has never been what this debate is about.

You believe that they have visited - and yet there is no evidence for this and plenty of evidence against it. It doesn't mean you aren't free to believe it. It just means you are most likely wrong.

The fact that you have picked a favourite sun 10.5 light years is humorous.. How many planets are know to be orbiting that star? How many are in the "Goldilocks zone"?
What is the basis of your belief that life is so abundant elsewhere? It has not been found elsewhere. While I agree that it is possible to east elsewhere and in fact probably given the vastness of the known universe, I have seen nothing to suggest that it is so plentiful in the general sense. Most arguments for intelligent life are based on the principle that the probability of life is actually small, but it is countered by the magnitude of the universe.

The way you state it, there is clearly something missing - evidence. If it was as common as you say, why is it so hard to find? Where are the alien visitors?

We don't disagree that there is life out there.. but I think your expectation are out of scale with reality.