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Do You Believe Big Money and Big Media Undermine Democracy?

WankerBait 2013/11/11 15:47:11
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  • Russ Byford 2013/11/11 23:34:19
    Russ Byford
    Absolutely. Both corporate money and the mainstream media - Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN and the rest of them.
  • wildemanne 2013/11/11 21:59:56
    wildemanne
    +1
    if you're talking corporate money, and corporate owned media, oh definitely! they're buying elections for th right wing fanatics as fast as possible us lower, middle, are the only thing slowing them down but they're twisting legal language to block us out asap
  • rassistische 2013/11/11 16:38:50
    rassistische
    It depends on how you define democracy. If you use its classical definition of Mob Rule, then yes, and thankfully.
  • WankerBait rassist... 2013/11/11 16:41:46
    WankerBait
    How about how it's practiced in the real world (USA) vs. some archaic historical reference...
  • rassist... WankerBait 2013/11/11 16:48:15
    rassistische
    I see no true democracy practiced in the real world. Governments that claim to be democratic are established and run by the elite, never once giving voice to those they mean to govern. I see a crony capitalist society here in the US. I see a soft tyrannical state in Russia, I see a quasi socialist monarchy in most of the EU. I see a socialist construct in Canada.
  • WankerBait rassist... 2013/11/11 16:55:15
    WankerBait
    I'll take that as a yes ...
  • Mike 2013/11/11 16:14:35
  • WankerBait Mike 2013/11/11 16:51:50
    WankerBait
    Even though you again attempt subterfuge via changing the subject, I'll take it as a yes ...
  • Mike WankerBait 2013/11/11 17:33:37
    Mike
    “Even though you again attempt subterfuge via changing the subject…”

    I understand Bill Moyer’s spin, the government pays him. I’m just trying to get you on the correct subject of how the tyranny of government works with “Big Money” and how it influences “Big Media”, while controlling PBS.

    You say “Undermine Democracy”, some professor (Robert McChesney) from a government-controlled educational institution claims “dollarocracy” is undermining our “democracy”. If that professor knew anything about our US Constitution, the correct phrase should have been, “dollarocracy is undermining our Republic.”

    Robert complains that the citizen does not have enough “dollars” compared to large institutions in the campaign/election process. The real problem professor Robert, is our government-controlled educational system is dumbing down the US population. Many feel we live in a “democracy” having one vote, and after that, there is not much we can do about the conduct of the ruling class in DC.

    The US Constitution is a simple read, and most of it can be comprehend at the twelfth grade level. But our government-controlled schools refuse to teach our Constitution. If they did, we will know that we are not a “democracy” but a Republic, where the people have more power over the federal government th...



    “Even though you again attempt subterfuge via changing the subject…”

    I understand Bill Moyer’s spin, the government pays him. I’m just trying to get you on the correct subject of how the tyranny of government works with “Big Money” and how it influences “Big Media”, while controlling PBS.

    You say “Undermine Democracy”, some professor (Robert McChesney) from a government-controlled educational institution claims “dollarocracy” is undermining our “democracy”. If that professor knew anything about our US Constitution, the correct phrase should have been, “dollarocracy is undermining our Republic.”

    Robert complains that the citizen does not have enough “dollars” compared to large institutions in the campaign/election process. The real problem professor Robert, is our government-controlled educational system is dumbing down the US population. Many feel we live in a “democracy” having one vote, and after that, there is not much we can do about the conduct of the ruling class in DC.

    The US Constitution is a simple read, and most of it can be comprehend at the twelfth grade level. But our government-controlled schools refuse to teach our Constitution. If they did, we will know that we are not a “democracy” but a Republic, where the people have more power over the federal government through their states to correct the mess we are in. For example,

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Lib...

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  • WankerBait Mike 2013/11/11 21:40:51
    WankerBait
    Actually you appear to read too much into the whole democracy debate and mistakenly take talk of democracy (many others do too) to mean the classical definition. Nobody with an iota of understanding takes talk of the "democratic process" that we in the USA idealize as a literal application of majority rule democracy. The USA has never been a majority rule nation, and has been from its inception a nation designed for rule by the 1% - the powerful, the elite, the white-male-landowners so again embodied by TEApublican authoritarians. Only through the people's amendments, progressive legislation, and court protections of citizen liberties has the USA even begun approaching any type egalitarian society. Those of you who long for the 18th century are a danger to the new world and our democratically won freedoms and protections.

    The issues you attempt to interject onto this thread are not entirely irrelevant because we can agree there are many ills created by government. However, states rights, public education, and/or right-wing talking head dystopian idealism are not on topic here. The topic is simple. Do you believe too much influence is being perpetrated against the people's interests by moneyed interests and their influence through media?
  • Mike WankerBait 2013/11/11 23:33:59
    Mike
    “Only through the people's amendments,… protections of citizen liberties…”

    Very True! That is what Mark Levin is trying to do with his “Liberty Amendments”:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Lib...

    “…progressive legislation, and court protections of citizen liberties has the USA even begun approaching any type egalitarian society.”

    An egalitarian society favors equality for all people, this is not possible. Equality is an abstract concept having no existence in the physical domain.

    “Those of you who long for the 18th century are a danger to the new world…”

    Our “18th century” US Constitution defines and restricts the institution of government to embrace and protect the individual’s Unalienable Rights from the crimes of others and from the crimes of government; no more, no less. The rest is up to the states.

    “Do you believe too much influence is being perpetrated against the people's interests by moneyed interests and their influence through media?”

    I agree with Schweizer’s take on big government’s tyranny over “Big Money”. He points how politicians extract our money, buy votes, line their own pockets, influence industry in crony relationships, etc. Moyer is simply misguiding the public as a spokesmen for big government, pointing the blame on industry and media. Because big government does n...
    “Only through the people's amendments,… protections of citizen liberties…”

    Very True! That is what Mark Levin is trying to do with his “Liberty Amendments”:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Lib...

    “…progressive legislation, and court protections of citizen liberties has the USA even begun approaching any type egalitarian society.”

    An egalitarian society favors equality for all people, this is not possible. Equality is an abstract concept having no existence in the physical domain.

    “Those of you who long for the 18th century are a danger to the new world…”

    Our “18th century” US Constitution defines and restricts the institution of government to embrace and protect the individual’s Unalienable Rights from the crimes of others and from the crimes of government; no more, no less. The rest is up to the states.

    “Do you believe too much influence is being perpetrated against the people's interests by moneyed interests and their influence through media?”

    I agree with Schweizer’s take on big government’s tyranny over “Big Money”. He points how politicians extract our money, buy votes, line their own pockets, influence industry in crony relationships, etc. Moyer is simply misguiding the public as a spokesmen for big government, pointing the blame on industry and media. Because big government does not yet have a crony monopoly on all the industry and media to control the moneys for elections.
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  • WankerBait Mike 2013/11/12 18:44:46
    WankerBait
    Well, I agree with Moyer that corporations and their ownership of major media in the USA (and their consolidation of ownership) is against the best interests of the citizen majority. There's plenty of blame to pass around. Government cronies have allowed (and in some cases promoted) the corporate takeover of the public airways and media outlets.

    Your propaganda about government tyranny over business is laughable. To the contrary, what we have in government today are crony representatives beholding to their corporatist overlords who not only pay well for their influence and representation, but also write most legislation that is getting introduced in the Congress.

    "He points how politicians extract our money, buy votes, line their own pockets, influence industry in crony relationships, etc."

    And I bet you'd agree that black is white, in is out, and up is down as long as it promotes your apparent acceptance of anti-government corporatism and the rule by Big Money for Big Money ... You live in a tops-turvy world my friend.
  • Mike WankerBait 2013/11/12 20:13:29
    Mike
    “…what we have in government today are crony representatives beholding to their corporatist overlords…”

    We do see things differently my Friend. Whoever is in control, business controlling government, or government controlling business, or a combination there of, the conclusion is, and we are both in agreement, as you stated – “…against the best interests of the citizen majority.”

    Since this government-industrial-complex is “…against the best interests of the citizen majority,” implies this institution no longer follows the US Constitution, as our government morphed into some industrial puppet. Under this configuration of government, it seems whoever we vote in to do “fundamental change,” simply ends up as some industrial puppet.

    We know DC is broken, no matter who we sent into office is not going to fix things, and actually things are getting worse. And in saying that, you may want to take another look at Mark Levin’s plan to restore our Republic. The “citizen majority” could help motivate the states to vote for a set of amendments to our Constitution, one of which includes, separation of corporate and state, similar to separation of church and state.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Lib...

    How else are we going to fix this problem? Just talking about it, while you “agree with Moyer” ...
    “…what we have in government today are crony representatives beholding to their corporatist overlords…”

    We do see things differently my Friend. Whoever is in control, business controlling government, or government controlling business, or a combination there of, the conclusion is, and we are both in agreement, as you stated – “…against the best interests of the citizen majority.”

    Since this government-industrial-complex is “…against the best interests of the citizen majority,” implies this institution no longer follows the US Constitution, as our government morphed into some industrial puppet. Under this configuration of government, it seems whoever we vote in to do “fundamental change,” simply ends up as some industrial puppet.

    We know DC is broken, no matter who we sent into office is not going to fix things, and actually things are getting worse. And in saying that, you may want to take another look at Mark Levin’s plan to restore our Republic. The “citizen majority” could help motivate the states to vote for a set of amendments to our Constitution, one of which includes, separation of corporate and state, similar to separation of church and state.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Lib...

    How else are we going to fix this problem? Just talking about it, while you “agree with Moyer” as I agree with Schweizer, is not going to solve anything. We need to make Levin’s idea, the topic of discussion, for amending the US Constitution at the state level, without any involvement from our broken federal government. We need to get the “citizen majority” up to speed on Levin’s idea, to help influence their state government, to call a state Constitutional convention for amending the US Constitution.
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  • WankerBait Mike 2013/11/12 22:10:03
    WankerBait
    +1
    The 11 amendments proposed by Levin are merely a cacophony of right wing noise. Each of Levin's proposals are a direct assault against either the original foundation of the Constitution, or against the progress made by the US as a Republic. I found none to have any merit in the promotion of liberty. All promote a singular idealism derived through failed ideology and all smell of desperation.

    While we can agree D.C. is dysfunctional, we'll never agree on this ideology providing any solution, much less the solution.

    - Peace

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