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cocoa 2010/11/19 01:26:46
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'Birthright citizenship' will be target of House GOP majority

By Rob Hotakainen | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — As one of its first acts, the new Congress will consider denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.

Those children, who are now automatically granted citizenship at birth, will be one of the first targets of the Republican-led House when it convenes in January.

GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the incoming chairman of the subcommittee that oversees immigration, is expected to push a bill that would deny "birthright
citizenship" to such children.

The measure, assailed by critics as unconstitutional, is an indication of how the new majority intends to flex its muscles on the volatile issue of illegal immigration.

The idea has a growing list of supporters, including Republican Reps. Tom McClintock of Elk Grove and Dan Lungren of Gold River, but it has aroused intense opposition, as well.

"I don't like it," said Chad Silva, statewide policy analyst for the Latino Coalition for a Healthy California. "It's been something that's been a part of America for a very long time. … For us, it sort of flies in the face of what America is about."

Republicans, Silva said, are "going in there and starting to monkey with the Constitution."

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1868, guarantees citizenship to anyone born or naturalized in the United States. It was intended to make sure that children of freed slaves were granted U.S. citizenship.

While opponents say King's bill would clearly be unconstitutional, backers say the 14th Amendment would not apply. The amendment states that anyone born in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is a citizen.

King said the amendment would not apply to the children of illegal immigrants because their parents should not be in the country anyway. He said immigration law
should not create incentives for people to enter the country illegally and that it's creating an "anchor baby industry. Many of these illegal aliens are giving birth to children in the United States so that they can have uninhibited access to taxpayer-funded benefits and to citizenship for as many family members as possible," King said.

An estimated 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in the United States in 2008 were the children of undocumented immigrants, according to an analysis of Census Bureau data by the Pew Hispanic Center done last year. The issue is dividing Republicans, too. "We find both this rhetoric and this unconstitutional conduct reprehensible, insulting and a poor reflection upon Republicans," DeeDee Blasé, the founder of Somos Republicans, a Latino GOP organization based in the Southwestern states, said in a letter to House Republican leaders.

Silva said the Republican plan is "not the fix," adding that the citizenship of children born to immigrants was never an issue during the immigration tide at the turn of the 20th century and that it shouldn't be now.

"That's our strength," he said. "And to start splitting hairs like that will only make the immigration issue worse."

Democratic Rep. Doris Matsui of Sacramento called King's plan "both unconstitutional and shortsighted."

"The 14th Amendment to the Constitution grants American citizenship to anyone born on American soil," she said. "I firmly believe we must reform the current immigration system, but we need to do so comprehensively with policies that respect our nation's history, strengthen our borders, and help our economy."

McClintock outlined his position last summer in a rebuttal to a newspaper editorial: "If illegal immigration is to be rewarded with birthright citizenship, public benefits and amnesty, it becomes impossible to maintain our immigration laws and the process of assimilation that they assure," he wrote.

McClintock noted that the United Kingdom, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, France and India have all changed their laws in recent years to require that at least one parent be a legal resident for the child to become a legal citizen.

Lungren, who served as California's attorney general from 1990 to 1998 introduced a similar bill in 2007, but it did not pass the House, which was controlled by
Democrats at the time.

His bill called for defining what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. Lungren proposed that the clause would apply to any person born to a parent who is a citizen, a legal alien or an alien serving in the military.

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  • Mike 2011/01/20 03:14:36
    Yes
    Mike
    we have to pass this legislation border states are heavily burdened with an increasing medicaid undocumented baby birth role. State and Tax Payers can no longer fund these births. Another option is to track these births and bill the country of origin for the medical cost. Change the laws that automatically grant the adult additional eligibility to Medicaid Services because a child was born
  • tncdel 2010/11/26 03:56:30
    Not in a DC minute!
    tncdel
    Please see this question, "Is it MORAL to INVADE another country to steal and plunder it?"
    here:

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • wolfshadow 2010/11/21 17:38:31
    Not in a DC minute!
    wolfshadow
    +1
    It's also a clear violation of the Constitution. These people take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution then clearly violate that oath. Isn't about time they get arrested? ALL of them, not just Republicans or Democrats.
  • shenendoah 2010/11/20 14:17:18
    Not in a DC minute!
    shenendoah
    +3
    Damn, checked the wrong box. Granting citizenship to anchor babies only encourages illegal immigration. Using the constitution to promote lawlessness is not what the founders intended and I hope the repubs are successful in passing this bill. America welcomes those that follow the laws and become citizens honestly. THAT is what America is all about.
  • went2fla 2010/11/20 03:15:54
    Yes
    went2fla
    +1
    If one of the parents are not legal citizens then the kid isn't either. Start sending Mexico the bill for all the medical and welfare costs for these kids until they are shipped home.
  • cocoa went2fla 2010/11/20 15:36:41
    cocoa
    Do you remember when Mexico's former President Fox stood at the WH and demanded that we give all the illegals citizenship and benefits and rights? Of course, they send half of their income back to Mexico! And right now it isn't taxed or they are working on stolent SS cards - mine was one! I'm still fighting the IRS for sending my refund to an illegal.
  • ThomasSnouffer 2010/11/19 23:16:58
    Yes
    ThomasSnouffer
    +2
    The problem here is NEITHER the children NOR the citizenship bestowed on them. It is that these births are viewed by many illegal aliens as their KEY to the many social programs created for the CITIZENS of our United States!

    Regardless your opinion of either the intelligence OR formal "education" of illegal aliens, anyone who has even SUPERFICIAL contact with them has seen their ability to use the "lore" teachings of the hundreds of thousands who were here BEFORE them regarding taking advantage of OUR system. This loosely organized "looting" is by NO MEANS limited to ANY one race OR country of origin. There are "birth visits" arranged from European countries to coincide with due dates, to assure that the mother "just happens" to be present on American soil when "the blessed event" occurs.

    The PURPOSE of jus soli AND the 14th Amendment were AS honorable as any intentions have EVER been. To bestow citizenship on the descendants of people brought to our country AGAINST THEIR WILL. IN CHAINS! How could there BE a more moral cause? The 'problem' is bifurcated: First, the decades in which this consideration was valid are LONG gone. Second, leaving the clause in place fairly BEGS its abuse by people from OUTSIDE our borders.

    END IT!
  • cocoa ThomasS... 2010/11/20 02:13:02
    cocoa
    +2
    GREAT POST, Thomas!! Great insight and logic. Kudos.
  • Captain Kirk~POTL 2010/11/19 21:28:59
    Yes
    Captain Kirk~POTL
    +5
    Hell ya,illegal is illegal if the parents are illegal so are the kids!!
  • gr8punkin 2010/11/19 20:53:17
    Yes
    gr8punkin
    +5
    The ratification was never intended for anchor babies, and it would help deter a small amount of the illegal immigration that we are already experiencing. However the first and most important thing, that must be done is to secure our borders.
  • Lady Yui 2010/11/19 17:32:47
    Yes
    Lady Yui
    +1
    I don't know how many people are actually aware of this, but the so-called 14th Amendment was never legally passed. There is no *legal* amendment to the constitution that guarantees citizenship by being born in the country. In order to "pass" the 14th Amendment, the following was done:

    1. The Southern States were expelled from Congress (in open defiance of Article V of the Constitution)
    2. The North then declared that no Southern State would have its seats in Congress back unless it ratified the 14th Amendment (which in and of itself is impossible, since only States recognized as legal governments can vote, and the Southern States had just been expelled and declared illegal governments)
    3. Congress then counted both Ohio and New Jersey as having ratified the 14th Amendment, even though both states had rescinded their ratifications. Congress also counted Oregon's ratification, even though Oregon also rescinded its ratification 3 months later in protest of everything which had been done listed above.

    Even *if* the 14th Amendment had been legally proposed (which it wasn't), and even *if* the rescinding of their ratifications by New Jersey and Ohio had been illegal (which they weren't), and even *if* the ratifications of Oregon, Tennessee, and West Virginia had been properly don...

    I don't know how many people are actually aware of this, but the so-called 14th Amendment was never legally passed. There is no *legal* amendment to the constitution that guarantees citizenship by being born in the country. In order to "pass" the 14th Amendment, the following was done:

    1. The Southern States were expelled from Congress (in open defiance of Article V of the Constitution)
    2. The North then declared that no Southern State would have its seats in Congress back unless it ratified the 14th Amendment (which in and of itself is impossible, since only States recognized as legal governments can vote, and the Southern States had just been expelled and declared illegal governments)
    3. Congress then counted both Ohio and New Jersey as having ratified the 14th Amendment, even though both states had rescinded their ratifications. Congress also counted Oregon's ratification, even though Oregon also rescinded its ratification 3 months later in protest of everything which had been done listed above.

    Even *if* the 14th Amendment had been legally proposed (which it wasn't), and even *if* the rescinding of their ratifications by New Jersey and Ohio had been illegal (which they weren't), and even *if* the ratifications of Oregon, Tennessee, and West Virginia had been properly done (which they weren't), that still left Congress SIX votes short of the required 3/4ths of the States. In order to get those votes, they required the Southern States, which had been declared illegal governments and expelled from Congress, to pass the Amendment in order to be re-admitted. Except that in order to have a legal vote, they had to be considered legal governments and legal members of Congress *before* they voted...not after.

    So congrats...legally there is no 14th Amendment. Kick the little archor babies and their illegal parents back to wherever they came from.
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  • jovi 2010/11/19 16:10:20
    Yes
    jovi
    +4
    Yes,it has done nothing but get more illegals to come here just to deliver their babies,which of course we pay the medical bills for not to mention granting them citizenship. It makes no sense,if the parents are illegal so is the baby.
  • cocoa jovi 2010/11/19 17:08:28
  • jovi cocoa 2010/11/21 17:13:27
    jovi
    +1
    I agree,illegals are a huge cost to the tax payers.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2010/11/19 15:39:37
  • Gun665 2010/11/19 14:34:05
  • cocoa Gun665 2010/11/19 14:55:49
    cocoa
    +3
    KUDOS AND BRAVO, Gun665!!! All four of my grandparents came here from Europe but through LEGAL channels. They never took one dime of welfare or state funds. They worked, contributed, learned English, sent their kids to school, the military and college. They did not HYPENATE their alliegance to another country and were PROUD to become AMERICAN CITIZENS. We are a nation of immigrants but not ones who scrambled over boarders and then demanded their fair share. BO wants to give their kids free college, they go to our schools without paying taxes, take up beds in hospitals on our taxes and then march in protest when we don't welcome them with open arms. We don't need to change our Constitution to stop the anchor baby wave, we just need to interrupt it the way it was written and intended.
  • Gun665 cocoa 2010/11/19 15:11:02
  • jovi Gun665 2010/11/19 16:12:06
    jovi
    +3
    That`s right,that part of the 14th amendment should have been repealed in the 1880`s after it served it`s purpose.
  • Striker Gun665 2010/11/19 16:32:14
    Striker
    +3
    No ticket unless they pay for it. Otherwise, take a long hike.
  • Gun665 Striker 2010/11/19 18:17:22
  • MIKEY 2010/11/19 11:33:26
    Yes
    MIKEY
    +5
    YAHOOO...its about time...people have twisted and violated the 14th amendment for far too long....enough already....now we as a people have a chance to lower taxes and live better lives... no illegals people twisted violated 14th amendment people chance taxes live lives
  • Heffeweizen 2010/11/19 09:23:51
    Yes
    Heffeweizen
    +5
    If they are born to parents who snuck into the country and are here illegally, they do not deserve citizenship. I'm tired of paying the way for illegals and their children.
  • Conservative in California 2010/11/19 07:31:07
    Yes
    Conservative in California
    +6
    14th Amendment doesn't grant birthright citizenship to 3rd world illiterate Mexican peasants or any other foreigners.
  • I. Car Rus 2010/11/19 07:17:53
    Yes
    I. Car Rus
    +1
    But, I think it would require a constitutional amendment to be legal. If that could be arranged then I would be all for it.
  • Bob 2010/11/19 05:47:41 (edited)
    Not in a DC minute!
    Bob
    +1
    OOPs answer should have been Yes, I agree with NO Anchor Baby Rights Law!
    anchor baby law is not something which America needs nor can stand to uphold. It leads to broad unfairness to both legal immigrant families and natural citizens.
  • Civic Minded 2010/11/19 05:35:41
    Yes
    Civic Minded
    +5
    It simply clarifies what the 14th amendment states: (Someone who is not subject to the jurisdiction of this nation cannot transmit citizenship to their offspring in this country.)
    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
  • scoot 2010/11/19 05:27:09
    Yes
    scoot
    +4
    not only yes HELL yes !!
  • NidStyles 2010/11/19 05:00:58
    Yes
    NidStyles
    +5
    I like how the Latino Representative is claiming that anchor babies is not an issue when a year ago she was saying that you can't deport them if they have children here, because we have to worry about the kid's.

    I have to say I had nothing to do with their choices to come here illegally and pop out babies to stay here. guess what, they can deal with my choice to send them back home.
  • Dylia Riggles 2010/11/19 04:57:10
    Not in a DC minute!
    Dylia Riggles
    I think they should be given citizenship; however, I don't think their non-citizen parents should be given benefits intended for legal citizens and their families
  • cocoa Dylia R... 2010/11/21 01:47:43
    cocoa
    So who pays for the hospital bill?
    (CBS NEWS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.

    She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America. His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot. Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S. citizens.

    That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents - when they turn 21 years old. As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.

    "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?" Pitts asked.
    "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through a translator.
    Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio Grande from Mexic...
































    So who pays for the hospital bill?
    (CBS NEWS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.

    She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America. His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot. Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S. citizens.

    That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents - when they turn 21 years old. As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.

    "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?" Pitts asked.
    "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through a translator.
    Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio Grande from Mexico into the U.S.

    Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn child.

    "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the United States?" Pitts asked.

    "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help children so much more. It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for."

    Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand Corporation.

    Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there, nearly 2,400 last year, were the babies of illegal immigrants.

    Riley has seen and heard it all. "Mothers about to give birth that walk up to the hospital still wet from swimming across the river in actual labor … dirty, wet, cold," he said.

    But here to have a child? "Here to have a child in the U.S.," he said.

    McAllen is part of a large hospital system. Like all hospitals, it is mandated by law to treat all emergency-room patients, not verify citizenship.

    "We have uncompensated care of over $200 million a year," Riley said.
    "Of money that you'll never see again?" Pitts asked.

    "Yes," he said.

    Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said: "It is not fair to the taxpayers who have to foot the bill."

    Congress has all but given up on comprehensive immigration reform. But lawmakers like Smith want to solve birth citizenship to illegal immigrants, in part by challenging the 14th Amendment, which guarantees U.S. citizenship to any child born in America.

    "It seems fundamentally wrong that we ought to give the greatest honor of their citizenship," Smith said. "His or her mother came across the border illegally."

    Many Americans who struggle to take care of their own families think it is unfair that they should take care of a family and they are not U.S. citizens.

    "I don't understand the resentment," said. "I know that God will help them, too."

    That's what Fabiola's doing for young Eliot. Relying on her faith, her family … and the U.S. government
    (more)
  • Dylia R... cocoa 2010/11/22 16:56:29
    Dylia Riggles
    I'm paying for my hospital bill from over a year ago. I had no health insurance and didn't qualify for medicare. Are you trying to tell me this woman has a right to tax payer money and I don't, a taxpayer?
  • cocoa Dylia R... 2010/11/22 19:20:30
    cocoa
    You bettcha! This is from (of all places) MSNBC: DALLAS — Parkland Memorial Hospital — the same iconic institution where doctors tried to save John F. Kennedy in 1963 — is today where tens of thousands of illegal immigrants receive taxpayer subsidized care.
    “Whether they come from this country or somewhere else, doesn’t matter how I treat them,” says Richard Benson, a doctor at Parkland Hospital.
    The most common patients here are expectant mothers. Each year about 16,000 babies are born at Parkland. The hospital estimates about 70 percent of them are delivered by undocumented mothers.
    Among the new mothers is a woman who didn't want to be identified — an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Her medical bills will run more than $6,000.
    But with no insurance, Parkland — a public hospital — is forced to cover the cost.
    “We have to figure out how to continue to deal with this because it’s very difficult to fund it,” says Parkland President Dr. Ron Anderson.
    Anderson says the cost of treating undocumented immigrants — millions of dollars each year — is unsustainable.

    Still, he says, his hospital will never turn away patients.
    “You are going to make some awful mistakes when you decide that one person is worthy and one person isn’t worthy,” Anderson says.
    But 30 miles away, a Fort Worth public ho...




    You bettcha! This is from (of all places) MSNBC: DALLAS — Parkland Memorial Hospital — the same iconic institution where doctors tried to save John F. Kennedy in 1963 — is today where tens of thousands of illegal immigrants receive taxpayer subsidized care.
    “Whether they come from this country or somewhere else, doesn’t matter how I treat them,” says Richard Benson, a doctor at Parkland Hospital.
    The most common patients here are expectant mothers. Each year about 16,000 babies are born at Parkland. The hospital estimates about 70 percent of them are delivered by undocumented mothers.
    Among the new mothers is a woman who didn't want to be identified — an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Her medical bills will run more than $6,000.
    But with no insurance, Parkland — a public hospital — is forced to cover the cost.
    “We have to figure out how to continue to deal with this because it’s very difficult to fund it,” says Parkland President Dr. Ron Anderson.
    Anderson says the cost of treating undocumented immigrants — millions of dollars each year — is unsustainable.

    Still, he says, his hospital will never turn away patients.
    “You are going to make some awful mistakes when you decide that one person is worthy and one person isn’t worthy,” Anderson says.
    But 30 miles away, a Fort Worth public hospital is making those decisions, requiring patients to prove they're here legally before picking up the tab for non-emergency treatment.
    “In some cases, you can’t afford 100 percent subsidized care to everyone that walks in here,” Robert Earley with John Peter Smith Hospital says.
    The decision has drawn fire from Hispanic rights groups and people like Dominga Valderama, with her newborn baby at Parkland. She's a U.S. citizen, but has undocumented relatives.
    "Can you put a price on someone’s health, put a price on a baby’s life?” says Valderama. “Everyone’s entitled to basic rights.”
    But who should pay?
    That’s a question one of the nation's top public hospitals is st
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  • Dylia R... cocoa 2010/11/22 23:11:30
    Dylia Riggles
    Although I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion
  • cocoa Dylia R... 2010/11/23 02:18:59
    cocoa
    I think you misunderstand and we are on the same page - I want Americans to have help with their medical bills! There is not enough money on the planet to give everyone FREE health care so I want the money used for people like YOU - Citizens who have paid theirs fair share and now need help. I think that Medicare should be available to more AMERICANS. We could provide that by simply not allowing ILLEGALs to have free care. Are we close?
  • Dylia R... cocoa 2010/11/23 04:21:20
    Dylia Riggles
    Yes. However, I think giving illegal immigrants benefits because their children are born citizens is going to cause more problems than solve. Being citizens though, the children should obviously have benefits like medicare, if eligible.
  • cocoa Dylia R... 2010/11/23 21:15:40
    cocoa
    But I think you should come FIRST!
  • Dylia R... cocoa 2010/11/26 06:39:31
    Dylia Riggles
    I disagree. All law abiding citizens should be treated equally. You may think that tax paying legal citizens should come first, then illegal parents after. I don't think it's the U.S. government's responsibility to take care of the people who are here illegally just because they gave birth on U.S. soil.
  • Deleted 2010/11/19 04:20:56
  • whitey 2010/11/19 03:03:00
    Not in a DC minute!
    whitey
    When the GOP is done with our constitution all that will be left is the second amendment.

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