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L.A. Times 2013/01/30 15:54:50
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President Obama’s speech Tuesday outlining his blueprint for immigration reform offered a strong commitment to fixing a broken system, even going so far as to deliver this ultimatum to lawmakers: "If Congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, I will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away.”

Obama’s remarks are in stark contrast to previous speeches in which he called for immigration reform but provided little evidence that he would exercise the political muscle necessary to get such a deal. This time, the president offered both.

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  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2013/02/19 04:05:58
    Yes
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon


    People pissing and moaning about illegal immigrates.

    This can settled very easily, once and for all.

    Anyone in this country who can't directly trace their heritage back to one of the seventy five tribes that lived here in 1500.

    Can go back to where ever the hell their ancestors came or shut the hell up
  • Neil May 2013/02/04 16:58:07
    No
    Neil May
    We simply cannot afford it. Granting amnesty is just a way of importing poverty. Many illegal immigrants lack the skill necessary to be successful in the US. I moved to Texas from California in 2009. California is doomed. The logic is simple, not racist as liberals like to claim. Texas and California both have Hispanics making up 40% of their populations, but only one is in a death spiral. As an employer you are not allowed to employ illegal immigrants; therefore, they are employed under the table and pay no taxes while at the same time consuming services because the are the least able to provide for themselves to to a lack of skill. Texas does not have such generous benefits and restrictions are much tighter. Granting amnesty is just a way of importing poverty. Instead of contributing little and consuming what is available, they will be entitled to benefits, as well as the vote. While there are many productive illegals in the country who should/do have some path to citizenship, it simply cannot be given outright to the poor of other nations. The cost of assimilating them into US society and equipping them with the skills they need is something our country simply cannot afford.
  • Mo 2013/02/04 15:20:34
    No
    Mo
    +1
    Obama's word is worthless.
  • Lord Savage Paulie 2013/02/04 14:30:57
    No
    Lord Savage Paulie
    +1
    Nothing this prez proposes has any support from me
  • Major Mel Lord Sa... 2013/02/06 17:50:33
    Major Mel
    +1
    The only thing he could ever say that I might agree to is, "I am offering my resignation as impostor president of the U.S.!" ...or an equivalent thereof!
  • Lord Sa... Major Mel 2013/02/09 14:11:05
    Lord Savage Paulie
    +1
    Very well said lol
  • Larry 2013/02/04 10:47:41
    No
    Larry
    Not at all
  • Aleksandr 2013/02/04 05:35:08
    No
    Aleksandr
    +1
    F*** Obama.
  • scarfy 2013/02/04 01:14:31
    No
    scarfy
    +2
    He just wants more freeload voters for the Democrat party and a permanent slave class for rich people like himself.
  • eric.merkel2 2013/02/04 01:05:23
    No
    eric.merkel2
    +1
    An open borders policy is one of ethnic genocide!

    Denying US citizenship to foreign nationals does not deny them a place in this world,
    it just denies them ours! Territory = access to resources. Ignore that fact at your peril.
    Our government demands a monopoly on the use of force to control our borders then refuses to utilize it; that makes them tools of foreign occupation.
    All presidents must enforce the laws as they are written, otherwise the legal system becomes illegitimate, and his office not only irrelevant, but a threat to our sovereignty!

    Ask yourself why did the neanderthals go extinct?
    Answer: They failed to work together to implement immigration reform!
  • Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012 2013/02/03 19:53:03
    No
    Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012
    +1
    LA Times, being a liberal rag, and supporting many who are destroying our local and state economy, will no doubt spin whatever results they garner from their poll.

    Nonetheless, we have comprehensive immigration laws. We just don't enforce them. I believe there are points in Obama's thoughts that would do what many countries do... make it harder to immigrate, unless you have a skill, or enough resources to not be a burden on taxpayers. I would rather see a fast-trac system for those who have degrees in need areas, and entrepreneur ambition and skills. We cannot afford to add more unskilled labor. Our children, who are citizens have very little opportunity to enter the work force at the bottom, and gain the motivation to move-up. Minimum wage jobs are careers, to many of the low-skilled immigrants. Most of the trades have been consumed by immigrants, legal and illegal. America should take the option to pick and choose skill and resources, over unskilled and broke. Most other countries do so, and it has been a benefit.

    The most important legislation congress could enact is... to remove the birthright provision. It has long served it's purpose to aid the free'd slaves of the civil war, to automatically become American citizens. Here in LA, there is a growing black-market in Chi...
    LA Times, being a liberal rag, and supporting many who are destroying our local and state economy, will no doubt spin whatever results they garner from their poll.

    Nonetheless, we have comprehensive immigration laws. We just don't enforce them. I believe there are points in Obama's thoughts that would do what many countries do... make it harder to immigrate, unless you have a skill, or enough resources to not be a burden on taxpayers. I would rather see a fast-trac system for those who have degrees in need areas, and entrepreneur ambition and skills. We cannot afford to add more unskilled labor. Our children, who are citizens have very little opportunity to enter the work force at the bottom, and gain the motivation to move-up. Minimum wage jobs are careers, to many of the low-skilled immigrants. Most of the trades have been consumed by immigrants, legal and illegal. America should take the option to pick and choose skill and resources, over unskilled and broke. Most other countries do so, and it has been a benefit.

    The most important legislation congress could enact is... to remove the birthright provision. It has long served it's purpose to aid the free'd slaves of the civil war, to automatically become American citizens. Here in LA, there is a growing black-market in Chinese mothers visiting America, in their third trimester. Koreans as well. What hispanic mothers have long known about "Anchor babies" is a commercial enterprise for others to achieve a duel-opportnity. Homes are being rented as make-shift birthing centers, or pre-natal centers. Dozens of Asian mothers pay good money to have their babies here. The provision is no longer needed.
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  • Nikki +In God We Trust+ 2013/02/03 19:41:35
    No
    Nikki +In God We Trust+
    Close the borders.
  • John 2013/02/03 18:22:15
    No
    John
    +1
    Boarder security should be done before anything else is even talked about
    LA TIMES:In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.
  • RED DAWN 2013/02/03 17:55:19
    No
    RED DAWN
    +3
    This man knows obama

    Israeli Psychologist on Obama

    Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our President.
    Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

    Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident -- a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling.. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people.

    The fact that Obama is a total incognito with Zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

    Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism...




























    This man knows obama

    Israeli Psychologist on Obama

    Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our President.
    Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

    Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident -- a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling.. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people.

    The fact that Obama is a total incognito with Zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

    Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest friends suggest that the man is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

    Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

    When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,"says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant two years old. Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. "She died of cancer in 1995."

    One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.

    If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.

    Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

    Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still a nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?

    Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.

    This election was like no other in the history of America . The issues were insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?

    I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others. They are simply self serving and selfish. Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined.

    This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw.
    Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous. Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks voted for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple.

    The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites. The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

    Obama will set the clock back decades. America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists, and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House.

    America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.
    --
    Michael A. Haberman, M.D
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  • Jim RED DAWN 2013/02/04 00:59:42
    Jim
    +2
    Epic contribution! Thank you! Very lengthy but worth the time to study it.
  • jeane 2013/02/03 17:00:12
    No
    jeane
    +5
    Stop rewarding illegal behavior!
  • Jim 2013/02/03 16:30:35
    No
    Jim
    +2
    How can anybody trust what he says? I'll believe he's serious when he starts pushing to repeal the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and triage all succeeding immigration laws that led to our current condition.

    It will NEVER happen...
  • Major Mel 2013/02/03 16:10:13 (edited)
    No
    Major Mel
    +4
    While it is true that the U.S. forcefully took a large portion of what was once Mexico, it is most assuredly not with any sense of regret for this action that the U.S. government is currently allowing much of the U.S. to be inundated with illegals from Mexico & who knows from where else? Most of those who leave Mexico for points North do so in the hope for a better way of life. I think almost any idiot can see this. But by allowing huge numbers of illegals into the country and giving them free benefits most Americans had to work long and hard to receive, justice has once again been perverted and the very nature of the nation is being redefined by tyrants in 'high places, for their own ends and surely not because they 'care for or about,' these illegals as human beings. Most Mexicans who enter the U.S. illegally are being conditioned to think that lawlessness is a good thing. This mindset will eventually rear up and bite them on their butts. What they seek for themselves (a better life and a better way of life) will, by their very presence and ignorance of what made the U.S. great, destroy the very thing they desire to gain. The U.S. will then, as per N.W.O. plans, become a 3rd world nation which these illegals are already accustomed to living within and will be easy to manage ...

    While it is true that the U.S. forcefully took a large portion of what was once Mexico, it is most assuredly not with any sense of regret for this action that the U.S. government is currently allowing much of the U.S. to be inundated with illegals from Mexico & who knows from where else? Most of those who leave Mexico for points North do so in the hope for a better way of life. I think almost any idiot can see this. But by allowing huge numbers of illegals into the country and giving them free benefits most Americans had to work long and hard to receive, justice has once again been perverted and the very nature of the nation is being redefined by tyrants in 'high places, for their own ends and surely not because they 'care for or about,' these illegals as human beings. Most Mexicans who enter the U.S. illegally are being conditioned to think that lawlessness is a good thing. This mindset will eventually rear up and bite them on their butts. What they seek for themselves (a better life and a better way of life) will, by their very presence and ignorance of what made the U.S. great, destroy the very thing they desire to gain. The U.S. will then, as per N.W.O. plans, become a 3rd world nation which these illegals are already accustomed to living within and will be easy to manage and control. See: http://anationbeguiled.com/?p... See also what it costs California alone to support illegals there: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od...
    Can you think of a better way of bankrupting the nation? Then there's the FED which prints paper (fiat) money without any commodity backing whatsoever. See: http://theeconomiccollapseblo...
    With friends such as these in 'high places' such as we now have, how much longer can anyone expect the U.S. to remain as a place worth living? It's time to get real people!
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  • drdos1943 Major Mel 2013/02/03 18:27:34
    drdos1943
    +2
    How about the drug traffic?
  • mountainman 2013/02/03 15:20:00
    No
    mountainman
    +2
    I dont agree with the current administration at all. He did nothing during his first term as far as submitting anything like a budget. all he did was submit a flawed healthcare reform bill that had to be "Passed before we can see it". How this fraud got re-elected is beyond me. If I were president I would bring home all of our troops, the Navys orders would be to protect our coasts at any cost. The rest would be ordered to protect our borders at any cost. Then, after securing the United States of America, any Illegal immigrant that is apprehended will be deported immediately.
  • Mitri 2013/02/03 14:51:07
    No
    Mitri
    +3
    America needs to get back onto it's feet and dust itself off first.
    Surely the American people should come first?
  • Robin B 2013/02/03 13:38:42
    No
    Robin B
    +2
    I haven't found anything I agree with the slug on yet!
  • Gambit Garrison 2013/02/03 09:05:08
  • drdos1943 Gambit ... 2013/02/03 18:29:07
    drdos1943
    +3
    Sorry for the rave. We do need immigrants. We do not need ILLEGAL immigrants.
  • Gambit ... drdos1943 2013/02/03 19:15:50
  • drdos1943 Gambit ... 2013/02/03 19:21:25 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +2
    The President and others who want complete amnesty, without consequences to illegals, do not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants in their speeches.. I have no problem with the former. The latter are criminals. I do not agree with President Obama.

    However, there are many illegals who have been here for years, own businesses and homes and have paid "their fair share" in taxes and have contributed to our economy, albeit with false social security numbers and other false documentation. What would happen to you if you falsified your social security number? Those illegal immigrants are still criminals; but I believe there should be provisions for them, not to eliminate, but to lighten their punishment.

    Before any immigration legislation is approved, we must first secure our borders.
  • Lord Sa... Gambit ... 2013/02/04 14:37:08
    Lord Savage Paulie
    +2
    Here you go ranting about who doesn't do the certain jobs ,,come on that is such a crock,plus you don't see all that has happened to this America since the mexican boarder has been leaniant(spelling), look at all the tacos on welfare and getting all medical while WE U.S. citizens get turned away ,,, don't tell me,, i know i live where they have infested the most Chicago Aurora Illinois I've seen it all my stinkin life ,,, some work most don't
  • susan.k... Lord Sa... 2013/02/10 14:18:41
    susan.kilbey.3
    100% agree. my son, born and raised (not an anchor baby) was turned down. he makes too much $13,000 anually, no insurance offerred. Really? he gets told no. these damn sneaky asses come over and have kids, both parents illegals...presto...medical,food cash, education..all from my tax dollars. But my son can't..tell me why i shouldn't be mad as hell..
  • V Latham 2013/02/03 03:29:34
    No
    V Latham
    +3
    I don't agree with obama on anything. If he told me the sky was blue, I would have to walk outside and look for myself. I have an aversion to him.... a serious one
  • TKramar 2013/02/03 02:19:09
    No
    TKramar
    +1
    I don't know what they are--but I'm opposed to people coming here from another Florida county, much less from another country.
  • TheFasterGun 2013/02/03 02:09:29
    No
    TheFasterGun
    +2
    The ONLY Obama initiated proposal, that I'll ever agree with, is the one where he proposes the date and time he will leave the country...NEVER to return.
  • Iskander 2013/02/03 02:00:55
    Yes
    Iskander
    +1
    but it does not go far enough for enforcement, but generally yes. I actually agree with him on most policies--not all.
  • Daniel Hughey 2013/02/02 22:54:52
    No
    Daniel Hughey
    +2
    We are forced to pay for Obamacare and he give it free to illegals to go with their food stamps. Not to mention that there is not enough work as it is with out letting illegals stay.
  • Organic Bob 2013/02/02 20:55:17
    No
    Organic Bob
    +1
    We are all equal citizens of Earth, with unalienable rights and should have the right to go where we please live where we want with respect for all World Citizens, Evil people wish to divide us amongst nationalism, racism, religion, ethnicity, language, red vs blue and fear is their tool. They are in the highest branches of the governments of the World, one bloodline to rule all others.. Wake up
  • susan.k... Organic... 2013/02/10 14:24:35
    susan.kilbey.3
    when your child gets turned down for health care and gets no food stamps because you make 26 $ per month too much to qualify ($15,000 annually) but a sneaky bitch runs across the border to give birth with my taxes and has 6 more, again with my tax dollars then tell me thats ok. I alsopay for their food, education, and housing. stfu
  • jweedinsaldana 2013/02/02 20:54:47
    Yes
    jweedinsaldana
    +2
    Imagine if all these people here illegally paid their fines and began working legally and paid taxes on their wages instead of the way they are here now and make wages and not report them? This would be a major source of much needed revenue. Look at the big picture and stop being a hater. Most of these people are really here to try to live a better life and not drug dealers. Think bigger! America is a melting pot and diversity should be embraced, not rejected.
  • TheFast... jweedin... 2013/02/03 02:10:51
    TheFasterGun
    While I don't agree with anything about obama, I do agree with you in your statement..100%
  • drdos1943 jweedin... 2013/02/03 18:32:53 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +1
    All of them, who entered this country illegally, are criminals...period. There is no getting around it. Now, how do we deal with the problem without screwing those who are legally trying to enter the country? ... other than that, I agree with you.
  • Steelshrt 2013/02/02 20:07:09
    No
    Steelshrt
    +1
    Would have far reaching negative consequences.
  • Koatz 2013/02/02 16:58:27
    No
    Koatz
    +1
    This is definitely a pay-off to Hispanics for supporting him in the 2012 Presidential Election.
    Gun control and the Health-care overhaul is an indirect pay-off to Black African-Americans for supporting the Democratic Party.
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