Do you agree with the ban of the pit bull breed in Miami-Dade?

by SOiTV Posted 2012/08/15 19:08:53

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Nam Era... to Redneck... 2012/08/15 21:42:24

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Sounds good. Take care.

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Lady 2012/08/15 20:35:52

No

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no,it's the humans that own them and train them to fight that should be banned

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sharon.kubeck 2012/08/15 20:35:30

No

Why breed nasty dogs

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Alli 2012/08/15 20:33:33

I don't know

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I haven't heard of this rule because i am always out of the loop. But I don't agree with banning an animal

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merlinskiss 2012/08/15 20:33:31

No

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Bad dog owners are the problem, not the dogs.

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Goducks5 2012/08/15 20:30:32 (edited)

No

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We should be able to own any kind of dog we want to. I love pit bulls.

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santa6642 2012/08/15 20:27:53

No

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Pit bulls are great dogs , Friendly, Brave, Playful loving , Obedient and most of all loyal, We have one and love her dearly, And plan on getting another one.

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Redneck... to santa6642 2012/08/15 21:32:43 (edited)

They're the only dog I know of that acts like a puppy their entire life!!

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Ninjaman 2012/08/15 20:08:38

No

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no, its a dog. any dog can be dangerous depending on how its raised and treated. it used to be dobermans, today its pit bulls, what will it be tomorrow. its the people who need to be checked before they are allowed to have an animal.

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Ambassador II 2012/08/15 20:01:10

Yes

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Several cities have banned the breed as it is so unpredictable as to be more dangerous than a rattle snake. Yes, ban the entire breed, arrest and fine anyone harbouring one.

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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/15 20:29:01

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thats a bit extreme. any animal can be dangerous. its the people that are the problem. the people that train them to be mean are the ones we need to address. by token of banning the entire breed, we have humans that are killers, what do we do, erase the human race?

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/15 20:36:29

Don't bother to over think what is an obvious problem. We don't allow dangerous animals as pets outside of zoos for good and sound reasons. Did you ever see photos of children or adults whose faces were eaten by a Pit Bull. In Denver there is a four year old without a right arm, the neighbor's Pit Bull bit the arm cleanly off. Enough is too much of these animals. There are hundreds of breeds of non-dangerous animals, so why should we take risks to make room for humans with unsound minds to own one of these creatures?

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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/15 20:46:50

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thats your opinion. ive been around pit bulls and children for many years without one episode of violence. and ive seen plenty of pictures of what dogs can do. not just pit bulls, but other breeds as well. and as far as humans with unsound minds, great, dont let them have an animal in the first place. its not the dog, its the people that train it.

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/15 21:25:40 (edited)

The problems arise when people with less brains than the dogs go to the "Pound" or buy one, take it home and chain it to the door to guard their meth labs or their stash of pot, or just walk around with it intimidating others. These nutcases are everywhere, with PIt Bulls or Rottweilers, ususally. When the crazed animal gets loose it will aor can attack anything that moves. Google the circumstance and learn how many horrific attacks these unnecessary risks make. Include the ones that Police have grown tired of being threatened and now just shoot them when they make their first lunge.

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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/15 21:29:28

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again, youre talking about animals that have been mistreated and are being trained to be violent. if these animals arent trained to be that way, if they are with a loving family that takes care of them, these are good dogs.
have you or someone you know been attacked by a pit bull?

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/15 23:18:09 (edited)

Over the past thirty years I've read of dozens of attacks by Pit Bulls in the cities I've lived in, Actually, I've not known anyone personally as such animals would not find a welcome in "my neighborhood". We are much into Golden Retrievers, Labs, and such breeds that are well behaved and almost never known to attack or bite even when mistreated. But, I've read of many who were killed by Pit Bulls and a few by Dobermans and Rottweilers.

My premise is that there is no good reason to take risks with these animals that are widely known to become dangerous if left untrained or mistreated. Why should whole neighborhoods live in fear of some dumb ass who owns one and enjoys the "risk" of it's behavior, or actually teaches it to "attack" in case another equally stupid person tries to steal the pot or meth from the kitchen?

The first City I'm aware that banned Pit Bulls was San Jose, California, about 1979 or 1980. Big outpouring of whines and cries when the City levied fines for "posession" of one of them, without any "Grandfather" clauses, just "Be gone". One had killed a small child, as the mother watched helplessly after being bitten several times herself. Not the first time, including a Police or Animal Control Officer who was badly mangled by one of these "killing machin...

Over the past thirty years I've read of dozens of attacks by Pit Bulls in the cities I've lived in, Actually, I've not known anyone personally as such animals would not find a welcome in "my neighborhood". We are much into Golden Retrievers, Labs, and such breeds that are well behaved and almost never known to attack or bite even when mistreated. But, I've read of many who were killed by Pit Bulls and a few by Dobermans and Rottweilers.

My premise is that there is no good reason to take risks with these animals that are widely known to become dangerous if left untrained or mistreated. Why should whole neighborhoods live in fear of some dumb ass who owns one and enjoys the "risk" of it's behavior, or actually teaches it to "attack" in case another equally stupid person tries to steal the pot or meth from the kitchen?

The first City I'm aware that banned Pit Bulls was San Jose, California, about 1979 or 1980. Big outpouring of whines and cries when the City levied fines for "posession" of one of them, without any "Grandfather" clauses, just "Be gone". One had killed a small child, as the mother watched helplessly after being bitten several times herself. Not the first time, including a Police or Animal Control Officer who was badly mangled by one of these "killing machines" at about the sam time. They were bred for the purposes of killing "bulls", real bulls, in a ring, like a cock-fight only with larger animals, more blood and cries of agony and death. Blood lust amusements such as that are not popular any more except among the most primitive and uncivilized minds. So, why would we want to keep the vestiges of such barbaric "sports" around to endanger the neighbors?

Frankly, I would rather have Charles Manson parolled and living nearby than I would wish to have a Pit Bull in the neighborhood, no matter how "well trained" you might claim it to be. Either Manson or the dog could flip into a rage at any time and do what seems most natural.
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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 00:36:46

you paint them out to be one of the worst things in the world. yet, no one youve known has ever been harmed by one. ive been around many and no one i know has every been harmed by one. ive actually received more blood drawn from my pomeranian than from any pit bull that ive been around. any animal can be a killing machine. thats the nature of animals.
you have far more serious issues than can be discussed here if you would rather live by Charles Manson than a pit bull. what you have is a narrow minded view of these animals. how many thousands around the country and the world? people have done more damage than pit bulls, yet would rather live close to a spree killer than a dog that has never personally hurt you or anyone you know...
im wasting my time...

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Nameless to Ninjaman 2012/08/16 00:42:29

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Have you ever known anyone harmed in a car accident due to someone else's negligence? Did you blame the car? Geezuz. These anecdotal situations prove nothing. It's not the breed. It's how they are treated/raised. If you treat/raise a human child like some of these pits are raised (or take any other animal) you would have a problem. It's not the animal - it's the person breeding/raising the dog.

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Ninjaman to Nameless 2012/08/16 00:48:18

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thank you... my point exactly... i wish more people would understand that...

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/16 01:10:33 (edited)

Go to Google and search out a few stats about "dog attacks", etc., the search routine where real information might be obtained. Then come back and tell us about these "nice doggies" you have no personal experience with their unpredictible behavior. Had you lived beside the shooter in Aurora a month ago you also could say that you have no personal experience with insane mass murderers. We can't doubt your lacking experience, but you can supplement it with just a bit of research.

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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 02:00:01

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ive done my research, ive seen the reports, and you dont have the first clue about my personal experiences. but if you arent willing to accept that not every pit bull is a killer, just like every human is not a killer even though our basic instincts are toward violence and we have unpredictable behaviors too... lets, look at some of those serial killers. ted bundy, zodiac, richard ramirez, hillside stanglers. if i play by the rules of your arguement, they were human. they had unpredictable behavior and tortured and killed their victims ruthlessly... so just like these dogs, since a few humans were bad and killed, we must all be bad and be killers. or to get a bit more technical, humans is pretty broad, just like dogs. we are talking breed... so some of the killers listed above were Americans instead of pit bulls as their breed. so therefore all Americans are bad.

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/16 03:21:55

You must be a Sophomore in a liberal arts college, maybe in Ohio? I took the courses in "Ethics" decades ago, and the
line of logic and construction was much the same.

I love animals, feed the neighboring rabbits and birds, have had several great pets.

Simply stated, my proposition is, that some animals are not worth the risk to allow them kept in urban neighborhoods. We don't need to agree as you can keep a Pit Bull if you legally can, and I would wish you sound sleep with the little package of unpredictable behavior sitting there on the foot of the bed staring
at your jugular veins. Somewhere in the deep recesses of the mind that was bred into him is the memory of those throbbing veins. Do they remind him of arteries in the legs of a large bull that he is destined to kill? Maybe. Maybe not.

With that little thought for you, I'll say "Goodnight".

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Ninjaman to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 03:27:32 (edited)

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thats a wonderful thought. but you seem to be overlooking that violence is also in our human nature. man has done much worse than animals... you can look on the internet and find facts on that too...
goodnight...

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dear•LT13☻ to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 11:05:28

I sleep with my Pit Bull at the foot of my bed for about 12 years now... And we sleep tight!
:D

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Ambassa... to dear•LT13☻ 2012/08/16 15:11:19 (edited)

Cover your neck, those throbbing veins can be an attraction to disaster.

In medicine you would be known as "a one-dog study", meaning that your experience is important only to you
and not related to the larger question.

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dear•LT13☻ to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 16:06:27

In society, your whats known as "narrow-minded".
Have you ever owned a dog? Every Human is born a "killing machine" as well. It's all in how your raised/trained.

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Ambassa... to Ninjaman 2012/08/16 01:21:05

Indeed you are wasting your time if you believe you could convince me this breed of dog, intended to be a "killing machine" for blood lust sport of killing large bulls in a ring, is somehow now a "nice puppy" that anyone should own.

In the past two weeks I've seen stories of two snakes, one a Python from Florida, one a Western Diamondback Rattle Snake from Arizona, each weighed around 170 pounds and were fifteen feet long. Interesting similarities. Now, some idiots would like to keep
a pet like that in their basement. Only God could know why a mind would find such things attractive, but we know it happens all the time.
There are reasons for laws prohibiting having such snakes as pets, not that Pythons and Rattlers are frequent public enemies, but their nature is
sufficiently known to cause them to be banned from civilized communities. That is the same reason why Pit Bulls should be banned, they are dangerous and unpredictable animals. Given the opportunity,
some fools would harbor any of these and say "Sorry, did my snake eat your little girl" or "My dog never bit anyone before", when the damage was done.

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Redneck... to Ambassa... 2012/08/15 21:37:39

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Did you see the face of the woman that was attacked by her friend's chimpanzee? Her face was definitely ripped off! Pit bulls are non-dangerous and are eager like any other dog to please their masters. If their masters like to see them agressive, then they will be agressive to please the master. Otherwise they start out just as nice and loving as any other dog.

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Ambassa... to Redneck... 2012/08/15 23:37:04

No they don't "start out" in that manner. Neither does a Chimpanzee. Both are born as wild animals and should not be trusted as "domesticated" pets. The Pit Bull was carefully bred over a hundred years for the purposes of killing real "Bulls", like 800 or 1200 pound big red male cows,. in a ring, for the purposes of blood sport among half civilized Europeans. It has a bite that can sever large bones and literally pull a bulls' legs from the body. Once it has a good hold it can retain that even as it is dying, like a snapping turtle or alligator. As in all such blood line breeding, those animals that lacked the aggressiveness and killer instincts sought were killed so as to not contaminate the process with "nice and loving". What was left is what we have - a breed that is totally unsuitable and unstable, potentially a danger of reverting to it's genetic instincts at any moment. Like an insane human, often the behavior is without any warning or explanation - Mother comes into the nursery to find the baby without a head and "Puppy" licking blood from the open neck. Or, more often, the "bull" will attack and kill other dogs on the street or in the park, wherever encountered.

Most distinct breeds of dogs were constructed by "selection" with a purpose. They so prove Darwi...

No they don't "start out" in that manner. Neither does a Chimpanzee. Both are born as wild animals and should not be trusted as "domesticated" pets. The Pit Bull was carefully bred over a hundred years for the purposes of killing real "Bulls", like 800 or 1200 pound big red male cows,. in a ring, for the purposes of blood sport among half civilized Europeans. It has a bite that can sever large bones and literally pull a bulls' legs from the body. Once it has a good hold it can retain that even as it is dying, like a snapping turtle or alligator. As in all such blood line breeding, those animals that lacked the aggressiveness and killer instincts sought were killed so as to not contaminate the process with "nice and loving". What was left is what we have - a breed that is totally unsuitable and unstable, potentially a danger of reverting to it's genetic instincts at any moment. Like an insane human, often the behavior is without any warning or explanation - Mother comes into the nursery to find the baby without a head and "Puppy" licking blood from the open neck. Or, more often, the "bull" will attack and kill other dogs on the street or in the park, wherever encountered.

Most distinct breeds of dogs were constructed by "selection" with a purpose. They so prove Darwin's theory of how species evolve and develop particular habits and genes. There are dozens of breeds of dogs that are amazing field hunters, particularly for upland birds, which was for hundreds of years a popular sport. Some also were bred to kill rats on ships, hence the "Rat Terrier" and it's cousins.
Now there are dogs being bred and trained as "Companions" for humans that are blind, Autistic, or otherwise handicapped. The Pit Bull was, now is, and forever will be, a dangerous breed that society has no reason to allow to endanger everyone
within reach of it's strong jaws.
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Nameless to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 00:39:59

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

You are wrong.

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Redneck... to Nameless 2012/08/16 05:38:01

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He's obviously a little paranoid and has no clue what he is missing...oh well! LMAO

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Redneck... to Ambassa... 2012/08/16 05:35:58

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I have never encountered anyone as fearful as you. I could go on and on as to the reasons you are wrong but it's not worth my time. Have a nice day!

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dear•LT13☻ 2012/08/15 19:53:33

No

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Dog racism - ban the humans!!!

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stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/08/15 19:47:05 (edited)

Yes

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these dogs (pit bulls or rots)have been a problem for years.....almost always, the owners of the same breed are the ones who contest about the temper of these pets. Leash laws dont seem to help........ what suprises me is that MIAMI has so many NO TREASPASSING signs anyway.......who is treaspassing in MIAMI with all those signs? can MIAMI legally do it? thats the real question. QUESTION: Do you agree with the ban of the pit bull breed in Miami-Dade?
by SOiTV Posted August 15, 2012 (35 minutes ago)

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Redneck... to stevegt... 2012/08/15 21:41:17

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LMAO I've had several pits and one Rott....they are wonderful animals! You don't know what you're talking about. Senator Barbara Boxer tried to ban pits in California back in the 80's and was completely shot down.

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The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk 2012/08/15 19:35:40

No

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Any poorly treated dog can become viscous.

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Kurbdog 2012/08/15 19:27:33 (edited)

No

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Ignorant.

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dear•LT13☻ to Kurbdog 2012/08/15 19:54:23

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agreed!

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Sister Jean 2012/08/15 19:19:29

No

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no

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Mark In Irvine 2012/08/15 19:10:26 (edited)

Yes

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i'm sorry to have to say it, but "yes" - too many of the people who have pitbulls raise/train them to be violent, mean and vicious - it's not the dogs' fault, but the dogs are dangerous as a general rule.

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