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Do you agree with Obama's position that "when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody?"?

PolyTicks October 21, 2008 22:38:22

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, the political-savvy would-be small business owner now infamously known as "Joe the Plumber", recently confronted Barack Obama and asked whether his taxes would be raised under an Obama Administration. Obama replied, revealing his socialist worldview, "when we spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." More at www.polyticks.thewebcomic.com
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  • +32 / -1 raves PolyTicks October 21, 2008 22:40:43
    PolyTicks

    No

    If Obama wants to "spread the wealth," let him spread his own around. I'll spread mine around where I choose, thank you very much.
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  • sioux~P... arg1969 October 27, 2008 02:07:53
    sioux~Proud American
    You might as well get used to socialism, since that is what you will get with Obama. Why would you not want this? The Dems already had it agreed upon when only they were agreeing. The Reps said no until they changed some of the bill and agreed to oversite, etc.
  • +32 / -1 raves
    PolyTicks October 21, 2008 22:40:43
    PolyTicks

    No

    If Obama wants to "spread the wealth," let him spread his own around. I'll spread mine around where I choose, thank you very much.
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    Pjayee~... PolyTicks October 22, 2008 21:18:29
    Pjayee~American Patriot~Just gimme some truth
    I agree lets all have a piece of Obama's pie
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    ERNEST Pjayee~... October 24, 2008 16:49:06
    ERNEST
    DID YOU GET A PIECE OF BUSH'S PIE YET, OR DID YOU GIVE HIM A PIECE OF YOURS
  • Robert ERNEST November 26, 2008 20:17:33
    Robert
    Bush presided over a solid economy in spite of unbelievable obstacles, including 911...until the Democrats took over Congress two years ago.
  • +7 raves
    driley PolyTicks October 22, 2008 21:32:34
    driley
    That's what I've been saying, but you said it better.
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    Geezertalk PolyTicks October 23, 2008 20:38:52
    Geezertalk
    Looks like George W. Bush has already done a good job of spreading Joe Taxpayer's money up and down Wall Street - $700 billion dollars. But that's o.k. to do, right?
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    . . . . Geezertalk October 24, 2008 04:15:09
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  • Geezertalk . . . . October 24, 2008 11:49:56
    Geezertalk
    Looks like George W. Bush has already done a good job of spreading Joe Taxpayer's money up and down Wall Street - $700 billion dollars. But that's o.k. to do, right?
  • +1 / -1 raves
    arg1969 Geezertalk October 24, 2008 18:27:37
    arg1969
    Good point! The Bailout is a socialist act! You see Republicans only support socialsist acts when it is not their money they are using. They only support capitalist acts like (Wallstreet CEO's bonuses, Iraq war because Republican military contractor and general as well as the Bush Administration make millions and millions of dollars from the war) Do you people seriously believe they care about all the young military people being killed in Iraq? Why do you think McCain wants to stay in Iraq longer? Could it be because he cares about the young military people being killed and injuired in Iraq? What did we benefit as taxpayers from the war in Iraq? 00000...nothing...zero...we get stuck with the bill again! You see that is a socialist act just like the bailout, and just like social security. For many of you young people putting money into the social security system you aren't getting that money back!! Old people don't care right now because they are getting their social security for money they put into the system!
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    Bill - ... arg1969 October 27, 2008 02:28:17
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    you really need a clue there my friend.. republicans were covering democratic ass with the bailout and the rest of that diatribe is little more than fallacious drivel..
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    sioux~P... . . . . October 27, 2008 02:57:46
    sioux~Proud American
    Talk about the Dems trying to revise history within a couple of years. How can people be so ignorant with all the facts in front of them? It's mindboggling!
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    Bill - ... Geezertalk October 26, 2008 20:24:26
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    sure, to fix a DEMOCRAT blunder..

    try making a factual statement next time would you?, or better yet, go get a clue then come back....
  • Geezertalk Bill - ... October 26, 2008 22:33:42
    Geezertalk
    Really? Please elaborate. The floor's all yours. Explain how everything is the fault of the Democrats. In Bush-world, the buck doesn't stop here, or there, or over there, or under there - the buck just whirls round and round with endless blaming of the Democrats who 1) were not in control of the Presidency for the past 8 years; and 2) were not in control of the Congress for 3/4 of the time. Good thing the country is wise to the bankrupt, losing, Republican shtick. McCain is going down on November 4th to a well deserved defeat.
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    Bill - ... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 01:49:42
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    the bill was a democratically sponsored and passed bill, those who spoke out against it were vilified and called everything in the book including a white man.. (IE. racists), Both Bill Clinton warned of the danger without regulation, as did Bush, and McCain and no one listened to them...

    pretty cut and dried that the attempt at social engineering 12 years ago has cost the American taxpayer 700 Billion dollars today.. there's facts everywhere to prove it, and even Bill Clinton said so himself...
    Now don't get me wrong, there were some republicans on that bandwagon too, i'm not disillusioned about that in the least, but, hoestly, IF you follow the issue thart to finish, and follow the money trail, it starts and ends for the most part with the democrats...

    That's just a fact...

    Like i said below.. nothing against you personally, but the statement you made trying to lay the blame off on Bush in this issue can only have been made from a position of being uninformed, lied to, or one of simply trying to use a falsehood as smear... I personally would like to think it's one of the first two simply because from what i have read of your posts, you don't seem to be the type person that would knowingly wallow in the mire of smear and lies.
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    Ed - In... Bill - ... October 27, 2008 03:41:15
    Ed - In God I Trust
    Now Bill, there you go with those pesky little FACTS again, and you know what FACTS do to the Fiberals.


    pesky facts facts fiberals
  • Geezertalk Bill - ... October 27, 2008 11:47:34
    Geezertalk
    The bill was initiated at the request of President Bush via Paulson (his Secretary of the Treasury who, by the way, is a former chairman of Goldman-Sachs Investment Bank). Paulson sent a two-page letter to the Congress asking for authority to spend $750 billion of Joe Taxpayer's money with no mention of oversight. The Congress, Senate and House, REPUBLICAN and Democrat rejected the two-page letter insisting that oversight was obviously needed when "spreading" $750 billion of Joe Taxpayers money to the very banks (one of them Paulson's former bank) to clean up the mess. Trusting the wolf to clean up the hen house, so to speak. It is hypocrisy for the Republican Party via its candidates McPain/Palin to accuse Barack Obama of being a "socialist". If you believe in "socialism" and "corporate welfare" for the wealthy, the Republican Party is the party of choice. Deregulation, another Republican hobby horse, is as much to blame for the mess as it Bush's inattention to the problem for EIGHT long years. Those are the facts. We all should be able to discuss them without rancor. I'm just tired of Republicans blaming Democrats who were out of power in the presidency for eight years and out of power in the Congress for 3/4 of the eight years for all that has gone wrong during the Bush Adm...
    The bill was initiated at the request of President Bush via Paulson (his Secretary of the Treasury who, by the way, is a former chairman of Goldman-Sachs Investment Bank). Paulson sent a two-page letter to the Congress asking for authority to spend $750 billion of Joe Taxpayer's money with no mention of oversight. The Congress, Senate and House, REPUBLICAN and Democrat rejected the two-page letter insisting that oversight was obviously needed when "spreading" $750 billion of Joe Taxpayers money to the very banks (one of them Paulson's former bank) to clean up the mess. Trusting the wolf to clean up the hen house, so to speak. It is hypocrisy for the Republican Party via its candidates McPain/Palin to accuse Barack Obama of being a "socialist". If you believe in "socialism" and "corporate welfare" for the wealthy, the Republican Party is the party of choice. Deregulation, another Republican hobby horse, is as much to blame for the mess as it Bush's inattention to the problem for EIGHT long years. Those are the facts. We all should be able to discuss them without rancor. I'm just tired of Republicans blaming Democrats who were out of power in the presidency for eight years and out of power in the Congress for 3/4 of the eight years for all that has gone wrong during the Bush Administration. Take responsibility, honestly, for the mess the Republican Party made and provide some real solutions instead of name-calling, "socialist" etc., and even old Geezertalk might be willing to vote for McCain.
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    Bill - ... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 01:52:08
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    Oh and just in case you didn't catch the "12" year figure in the other post Clinton signed the bill 12 years ago, and even then he warned that it needed regulations put in place.
    Bush had nothing to do with it yet it's getting piled on his back now isn't it?
  • Geezertalk Bill - ... October 27, 2008 11:54:10
    Geezertalk
    Oh, I caught the 12 year reference alright. If we need a history lesson, here's one. Why would the party of DEREGULATION - the Republican Party - criticize Clinton for signing a bill that included deregulation, a bill that was, in fact, passed by a REPUBLICAN Congress? Can't have it both ways, "my friend".
  • Bill - ... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 12:22:04
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    doesn't change the fact that the original bill from 12 years ago was a democratic sponsored bill, and was the cause of the subprime mess that the 750 was for...
    like i said, i'm not saying that there weren't republicans involved in it back then either, i'm just saying that the way you portray the 750 bail-out is inaccurate and just one of the sources i used to make that point to you was in Fact Bill Clinton's own words, he was the one who signed the bill that lead to the crisis into law 12 years ago... Now if you add to that the proven tactics that were used by people like acorn and obama in intimidating banks and bank managers into adhering to those guidelines, the real story of what happened and why is quite clear.

    trust me when i tell you that the bailout was done to cover a problem NOT created by this administration because when i say that, i'm simply stating a fact, nothing more, nothing less..
  • Geezertalk Bill - ... October 27, 2008 13:22:29 (edited)
    Geezertalk
    Well, George Bush didn't do anything during his eight years to correct it. That's a fact. Also, when Clinton signed that bill into law, it was Republican sponsored and how could it have included any regulation of the industry? The Republican Congress was opposed to it. My point was, and is, that the Republicans are hypocritical to insist on no regulation one moment, and then to blame democrats for the lack of regulation the next. As far as "spreading" $750 billion dollars of Joe Taxpayer's money up and down Wall Street, that plan originated with Bush and Paulson, like train engineers who, asleep at the wheel for years, suddenly woke up when the train wrecked. Those are the facts. (Notice that not once did I say anything about you personally. I respect you personally, but disagree with you. That's about as American as you can get. What's more I served 20 years in the military on active duty and in the reserves to defend your right to disagree with me.)
  • Bill - ... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 21:12:49
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    Well as far as i know, Both McCain and Bush wanted regulations on it none of which passed, and Bill Clinton wanted regulations on it and those weren't passed either..

    i could dig for the stories related to it if you'd like?

    (work's kind of busy atm, but i really don't mind)

    Bill
  • Pelepundit Geezertalk November 03, 2008 20:11:19
    Pelepundit
    McCain went to the floor to try to get regulation and was railed.
    You can find that online and probably get a framed litho of it.
    The senate had hearings in 2004 about regulation, or at least investigation into Freddie/Fanny. That video is all over youtube. The Democrats praised the efficiency and management of aforementioned.

    Don't get out much??
  • Geezertalk Pelepundit November 03, 2008 22:36:19
    Geezertalk
    McCain voted against regulation 23 times.
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    sioux~P... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 03:00:38
    sioux~Proud American
    If you get everything you want, you won't have anyone to blame but the Dems. The leaders won't get the blame since they never do, so the people who voted for Obama will get the blame.
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    Faith ~... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 03:02:25
    Faith ~American Patriot~
    What in the world makes you think that Bush has absolute power? You can't really be that misinformed, can you?
  • Geezertalk Faith ~... October 27, 2008 11:52:42
    Geezertalk
    The mess happened under his watch. Take responsibility. "Round and round she goes, but where the Buck stops in the Bush Administration nobody knows"
    PS. Why would the party of deregulation - the Republican Party - criticize Clinton for signing a bill that included deregulation, a bill that was, in fact, passed by a REPUBLICAN Congress? Can't have it both ways, "my friend".
  • Faith ~... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 16:10:14
    Faith ~American Patriot~
    You guys are so determined to blame everything on Bush and the Republicans, it is very, very sad.
  • RICANJOE1 Faith ~... October 29, 2008 20:57:04
    RICANJOE1
    buSHIT IS THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING 9/11 ALSO AND ALL THAT HAVE VOTED FOR HIM ARE ALSO TO BE BLAMED. SO THANK YOU FOR "FUCKING UP MY COUNTRY".....
  • Faith ~... RICANJOE1 October 29, 2008 23:04:49
    Faith ~American Patriot~
    LOL, you are an angry and incredibly misinformed sock puppet.

    lol angry incredibly misinformed sock puppet
  • Geezertalk Faith ~... November 03, 2008 22:40:57
    Geezertalk
    How can anyone blame Bush and the Republicans when they take responsibility for nothing?
    blame bush republicans responsibility
  • Faith ~... Geezertalk November 04, 2008 04:16:19
    Faith ~American Patriot~
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    Bill - ... Geezertalk October 26, 2008 20:27:13
    Bill - McGee - 2012
    PS. i know you're not going to like that response, and i really have nothing personal against you, but read what you just said in relation to the actual facts in what you're referencing...

    understand?
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    . . . . Geezertalk October 27, 2008 02:01:47
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    moderated...
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    sioux~P... Geezertalk October 27, 2008 02:05:10
    sioux~Proud American
    Bush didn't do it. The Democrats in the house and senate did it. Remember when they first came out with it and said their was an agreement and the Reps said hold on. They would have passed it right then if they had had 60 in the senate. It was the Reps who said, "Hold on". They made sure there was going to be oversite and other rules so executives couldn't get compensation from that money. I think we're seeing some revisionist history. It wasn't that long ago. If you were paying attention, you were there.
  • Captain... PolyTicks October 24, 2008 16:00:29
    Captain America
    I had no idea that you made more than 250K per year.

    In what case I could care less about your spending habits as long as you are forced to pay a little more taxes.
  • ERNEST PolyTicks October 24, 2008 16:44:25 (edited)
    ERNEST
    THE GOVERNMENT SPREADS YOUR WEALTH WHEREVER IT WANTS TO. WHEN OBAMA IS PRESIDENT THE GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD IT WHERE IT WILL. THAT'S GOVERNMENT, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. DID YOU OBJECT TO THE SPREADING OF "YOUR, OUR" WEALTH BEFORE? WHAT DID YOU DO IN DEFENSE. NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN LIKE THE REST OF US.
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    Buzz PolyTicks October 24, 2008 17:59:13
    Buzz
    I totally agree. I'm middle class but I prefer to make my own way and when I do, I do not want to double or triple my taxes to make it easier on people that are not motivated enough to try for themselves. We live in America and anyone achieve success if they try hard enough.
  • arg1969 PolyTicks October 24, 2008 18:16:27
    arg1969
    I am surprised to read that you are a college graduate and surprised you would actually post such a question. Did you take any history courses and U.S. government courses? They would be helpful in answering this question for you. Look up the Ronald Reagan presidency, Bush and George W. Bush Presidency. They all have in common one thing? The all utilize the same Reaganeconomics.
    Reagan said in his first inauguration speech, which he himself authored,[1] "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." His first act as president was to issue an executive order ending certain price controls. His economic policies, similar to supply-side economics and dubbed "Reaganomics," achieved a 25% cut in the federal personal income tax, moderate deregulation and tax reform, which he believed would remove barriers to efficient economic activity. After a sharp recession, a long period of high economic growth without significant inflation ensued.

    Despite Reagan's stated desire to cut spending, federal spending grew during his administration. However, economist Milton Friedman points out that non-defense spending as a percentage of national income stabilized throughout Reagan's term, breaking a long upward trend; the number of new regulations ...



    I am surprised to read that you are a college graduate and surprised you would actually post such a question. Did you take any history courses and U.S. government courses? They would be helpful in answering this question for you. Look up the Ronald Reagan presidency, Bush and George W. Bush Presidency. They all have in common one thing? The all utilize the same Reaganeconomics.
    Reagan said in his first inauguration speech, which he himself authored,[1] "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." His first act as president was to issue an executive order ending certain price controls. His economic policies, similar to supply-side economics and dubbed "Reaganomics," achieved a 25% cut in the federal personal income tax, moderate deregulation and tax reform, which he believed would remove barriers to efficient economic activity. After a sharp recession, a long period of high economic growth without significant inflation ensued.

    Despite Reagan's stated desire to cut spending, federal spending grew during his administration. However, economist Milton Friedman points out that non-defense spending as a percentage of national income stabilized throughout Reagan's term, breaking a long upward trend; the number of new regulations added each year dramatically decreased as well.[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Do these ideals sound familiar? What has John McCain been preaching this last couple of days? Do you really think that under John McCain's tax plan no one will pay taxes? How is that possible? The majority of people here in the U.S. are working class taxpayers. Who do you think is more likely to pay taxes to get the economy running? Who do you think in the end will pay more taxes under McCain/Palin ticket? Now, honestly ask yourself has the working class taxpayer ever benefited from the Republican Party?
    Republicans only care about the wealthy! Why do you think we went to war with Iraq? Most of the military contractors, generals and Bush Adminstration are Republicans who made millions and millions of dollars... Why do you think McCain wants to stay longer in Iraq? Is it because he really cares about our military and the Iraq people? Think... we know have thousands and thousands of resources available to check facts. Obama did not say he would provide tax cuts to people who do not pay taxes, which are people who are on welfare! You only qualify for tax cuts if you are working!!
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  • Juan Doe PolyTicks October 24, 2008 20:42:11
    Juan Doe
    He is already spreading it around by paying his taxes. Do you pay taxes? Then you are spreading it around. Do you make $250,000 or more? No? Then you will not be spreading it any more than you are already. Period.
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