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Do We Need and Should We Start a Second American Revolution?

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Do We Need and Should We Start a Second American Revolution?









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Second American Revolution_CroppedEarlier
this week I attempted to ignite a debate (not a revolt) about the State
of America now compared to 236 years ago when we abolished the
authority of the British government over our affairs.


If we take a WWJD approach (What Would Jefferson Do?), we find that the preconditions for revolt are:


The government becomes destructive of the proper ends of government
which are the protection of life, liberty and property and/or pursuit of
prosperity. This does not mean that a government should be abolished if
it fails to perfectly protect these foundational rights. Such a
principle would lead to chaos since no government can possibly protect
us perfectly.


It does not even mean that we may abolish a government if it attacks
those rights. The government must become destructive of those rights,
which means that IN GENERAL and ON BALANCE the government destroys those
rights more than it secures them.









After all, the government that the founders created was not a perfect
Jeffersonian paradise. It permitted national deficits which Jefferson
and others believed violated the liberty of future generations. The
government founded a national bank funded with taxpayer dollars which
the Jeffersonians believed was an exercise of power not enumerated by
the Constitution, and therefore a violation of the limits which were
placed on the government in order to protect the taxpayers. But
Jefferson did not call for an armed revolution against the nascent
republic. He even participated in the compromise which led to the
creation of the bank.


All governments that have ever existed have sometimes protected and
sometimes attacked the foundational rights of life, liberty and
property. What triggers the right of abolition according to the
Declaration of Independence is whether, all things considered, the
government is a destroyer rather than a protector of those rights.


But even if the government goes so far as to become a net destroyer
of liberty, even that is not sufficient logical grounds on which to
abolish it. If the point of a declaration of independence from a
government is to end the condition of vanishing liberty, it follows
inevitably that such a declaration would only be advisable if the new
government were to be a better protector of our liberties. My friend,
Glenn Reynolds — law professor and Instapundit — says that revolutions
are like throws of the dice. You just don’t know for sure what you are
going to get.


This is not a trivial point and the many revolts since Independence
Day 1776 tell us that the odds for improvement are actually quite poor.
After all, we the people pretty much get the government we ask for. The
policies we have in place now have not been imposed by some foreign
army; they been imposed on us by us. What reason do we have to believe
that we would impose something better on ourselves after years of armed
conflict than we are imposing on ourselves now? Do revolutions or civil
wars (and revolutions really are civil wars) make us calmer, wiser, more
compassionate people?


And is it worth the cost? Such wars are incredibly bloody affairs. I
think that few revolutionaries truly count the ‘transaction cost’ of
trading one regime for another. The genuinely evil ones don’t even try
to. We did this twice in our history. First the colonies dissolved their
relationship with the Crown. This was a eucatastrophe[1] ending much better for the human race than anyone really had a right to expect.


The second revolt was a deformed grandchild of the first in which the
southern states hid behind the language of freedom in order to avoid
taxes which were constitutionally imposed, preserve the institution of
chattel slavery and make way for dreams of a Southern Continental
empire. The exercise ended badly for the instigators and was awesomely
painful even for the victors. Does anyone seriously believe that we are a
people more ready to rebuild than that generation? Do you see any
leader on the horizon more able to bind up the wounds of the nation than
Lincoln?


The founders believed that what happened here was some sort of
historical miracle and it’s easy to understand why. The preconditions
for success were uniquely strong. Revolutions usually don’t succeed
because they destroy the society in which they occur; tearing down the
old social order and forcing a new one to revolve up into its place
(hence the word ‘revolution’). That why it almost never works.


When Mel Brookes has Count Demoney telling the king that ‘the
peasants are revolting,’ the king looks at them and agrees. Classical
literary references aside, Brookes is right. The revolutions are ugly
and the results are even uglier.


But here, we did not have a revolution. Most of the founders
studiously avoided the use of that word. We had a war for independence
in which local units of government dissolved their ties with a distant
tyrant. We didn’t have to tear our country apart, just tear it apart
from Great Britain. Ours was not a rising up of the downtrodden or the
debtor class as so many of the ancient Greek and Roman revolutions had
been. It was not a fight of the bottom against those above them. It was a
fight of the middle, which had been functioning as the de facto
governing class of the nation for generations before.


It wasn’t a rabble revolution. Deriders in England called it things
like the ‘shopkeepers revolt’ and the Presbyterian rebellion. It came
from a law abiding class of people who put their arguments in terms of
‘the ancient rights of Englishman’ not the revolutionary utopian terms
like for example the instigators of the peasants revolt in Martin
Luther’s Germany.


The amazing success of our effort has inspired many a delusional
imitator who believed that all you had to do was kill a king to achieve
heaven on earth. Almost none of them have succeeded.


Left-wing dreams of people’s revolutions were at best delusional, and
given the results of France in 1789 and Russia in 1917, such dreams are
no longer bemusingly foolish; they are evil. But conservative ‘exodus’
and secession dreams seem only a little better. After all, we’re
supposed to know better. We’re the ideology which is in touch with
reality.

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  • Mr. T 2012/07/08 04:43:51
    Undecided
    Mr. T
    +5
    The American government is going for all out control. So unless you are willing to live on your knees, it seems an all out revolution might be our only choice. Obama and the homeland "security" are labeling patriots as terrorists, what does that tell you?

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  • Ken 2012/07/08 16:04:50
    YES
    Ken
    +2
    To get back to the original intent of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/08 14:17:19
    YES
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    We are really late on this and have no support from no where. If accomplished it's gonna be bloody . The opposition has all the fire Power.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/08 10:06:03
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    Gonna be like the French Revolution....
  • Striker 2012/07/08 05:51:54
    NO
    Striker
    +1
    We do need to RESIST and get rid of our Rulers. A revolution will merely replace one Ruler with some other, and kill off a lot of Americans, both good and bad.

    Secession makes more sense to me. We might come back with a new Constitution which limits FedGov to defending the country and nothing more.

    http://no-ruler.net/new-const...

    That may be our way to recovering from the collapse ahead in a way which will never allow another.
  • Matt Gray 2012/07/08 05:47:14
    YES
    Matt Gray
    +2
    It'll happen regardless of what any of us think. Political tensions have never been higher between left and right. Anyone thinking that'll it'll even out better light another joint. I give it a decade...we're coming to a new age.
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/07/08 05:24:37
    Undecided
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +2
    could we get the majority of citizens to stand up and protest in all major cities and towns across the US peacefully and NOT let it go until someone of power actually listened, stood up and held those corrupt bastards accountable? for everyone to refuse paying taxes? Id love to see a run on the banks! does anyone really care about whats really happening or are they trying to keep up with the kardashian's? I don't mind dying, but there would be no way to win an actual war!? How could we as a nation stand up and demand this of our government? How could we organize such an event without being shut down as loons in the media? remember anarchists :p lol! I've lost most everything so I have nothing to lose. This will take even the employed to walk away from there jobs...we would all have to step out of our comfort zones?!
  • Tom 2012/07/08 05:13:29
    NO
    Tom
    What are you going to do, start killing family, and friends that don't agree with you politically?
  • abubincrazy 2012/07/08 05:11:34
    Undecided
    abubincrazy
    +3
    Maybe.
    If our government continues to be run by criminals, we law-abiding citizens will have little choice. Be slaves to an oppressive government? No way.
    These animals claim their ancestors' slave status as their excuse to attack us.
    If you go back far enough, nearly EVERYONE(if not everyone) has slaves for ancestors.
    It was common for victors of wars to enslave the conquered throughout human history on every continent.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/08 05:20:35
    Tom
    I thought the question was about, "revolution,"... but you being the RACIST that you are consider that to mean race war!

    "These animals claim their ancestor's slave status as their right to attack us."... just exactly which animals are you referring to?

    What does slavery have to do with a modern day revolution?
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/09 01:50:02 (edited)
    abubincrazy
    +1
    Black liberation "theologists" like Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for 20 years, use racist dogma to keep their power.He says white Americans owe black Americans a huge pile of money for the slave era. And he openly attacks America. By animals, I'm referring specifically to the Obama regime. They do not obey the laws of this land, they subvert and violate them at will.
    Holder , under Obama's auspices, fed illegal weapons to the Mexican Mob, and got untold numbers of people murdered by his illegal actions.
    He was caught, and blocked the investigation. When he was convicted of his misdeeds, HIS Dept. of "Justice" refused to prosecute him. Animals.
    He refused to prosecute the Black Panthers, a crazy racist organization similar to the KKK, for voter intimidation, saying they were his people.
    Animal.
    I don't have a problem with black people, I have a BIG problem with racist, criminal, America-hating black people.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/09 02:08:32
    Tom
    Wonder how many times you took the time to point out White racist, and White racist groups: KKK, Racist White Militias, racist acts against Blacks. Funny how Whites can identify Black racist, but sit idle when they see racist Whites.
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/10 01:56:20
    abubincrazy
    +1
    Nice attempt at deflection.
    The president and his AG are in bed with these crazy, anti-American, racist groups.
    There was a Democrat Senator who was a KKK member, but no president.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/10 02:04:53
    Tom
    Did I say that they weren't, and that would be Sen. Robert Byrd of Virginia.

    You, as every other, "CONSERVATIVE," like to think I'm a liberal, just because I am not a right wing nut case. WRONG!

    "Funny how Whites can identify Black racist, but sit idle when they see White racist!"
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/10 02:30:43 (edited)
    abubincrazy
    I know who he was. W. Virginia, btw.
    Your statement is ludicrously illogical.
    I'm a libertarian. And ALL whites act the same, do they?
    Go take your meds.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/10 02:35:10
    Tom
    How ridiculous. My girl friend is White, my best friend is White, I employ at least 25 Whites, Some of the best things done for me have been by Whites. What's your dumb ass problem?
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/10 02:42:56
    abubincrazy
    Some of my best friends are..."Funny how Whites can identify Black racist, but sit idle when they see White racist!" You said that, not me.
    I was referring specifically to the racist Obama regime. They are in bed with black liberation "theologists" like Jerry Wright, who damns America in his church.
    Not all black people.
    YOU went off on ME, remember? And you ask what MY problem is?
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/10 04:07:03
    Tom
    I must resemble Whites that sit idle, because I don't see what racism you are referring to. SURE, the Obama Administration are as bad as they come, but I don't see racism as something that they are. Racism is a tool of oppression, degrading, and persecution of other races. I don't see that. I see bad associations, I see a blind eye. They have not been an ally of the Black community.
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/10 04:19:09
    abubincrazy
    They are using the black community, the gay community, the unions,the granola-heads, Hollywood, anybody they can, to seize more and more power.
    Obama goes to EUROPE to hit up the Euro-socialists.
    He's not American, and I don't mean his birth certificate.
    Holder refused to charge the Black Panthers when they openly intimidated voters in Chicago.
    Don't tell me you didn't see the video.
    Wright is a racist who hates America, and he married the Obamas.
    Gimme a break.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/10 13:34:25
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/10 21:02:44 (edited)
    abubincrazy
    I have seen films and read books about JIm Crow, but I didn't live it. I never oppressed anybody, man.
    Here's the edit- NOT prosecuting the Panthers for a blatant federal crime-it was all over TV-they DID it-was pandering to the black vote. Bigotry, if not racism.
    This regime is racially bigoted, and socialist.
    And crooked as the day is long.
    They've screwed us ALL, and many(most?) don't realize it yet.
    That was my point.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/10 23:37:14
    Tom
    +1
    I'm not saying they should not have been prosecuted, but they were small fry(s), you should have seen the real Black Panthers. If you want to be upset about the administration not prosecuting crimes, be upset that none of the ass wipes that borough the economy down have been charged. Be upset that their energy policies are ruining America, be upset at Obamacare, be upset about my pending tax burden. There is plenty to be upset about, I just think your focus is mostly petty, and to a large degree without merit! Sorry!
  • abubinc... Tom 2012/07/11 02:36:05
    abubincrazy
    +1
    Thanks, Tom.
    I make specific charges, since I know the leftists troll here.
    Petty or no.
    You don't want to hear(read) me really go off.
    It would take pages, so I minimize.
  • Tom abubinc... 2012/07/11 03:09:59
    Tom
    +1
    I'm good with that, and keep up the good fight!
  • Arizona1950 2012/07/08 04:52:56
    Undecided
    Arizona1950
    +3
    we are already in one ... its called a "soft" war. But revolutionary it is. Make your vote count to continue the revolution of taking our country back.
  • atomikmom Arizona... 2012/07/08 05:21:06
    atomikmom
    +2
    That's what we all have to do.
  • Arizona... atomikmom 2012/07/08 12:40:23
    Arizona1950
    You won't get an argument from me about who is the only one standing for our Constitution and taking our country back.

    Remember ... Bush in his way initiated it ... Obama brought it forward and mandated it ... and Romney embraces it ... and with his record of refusing to pardon even a decorated Iraq Service man of a BB gun incident when he was only 13 years old so he could become a police officer ... no doubt in my mind Romeny will use it ...

    xxxxxxxxx
  • Adam Arizona... 2012/07/08 16:41:39
    Adam
    +1
    The soft war will turn into hard war when the soft one does not work.
  • Arizona... Adam 2012/07/08 19:28:43
    Arizona1950
    +1
    ... I believe you are correct but I don't see that happening much before 2020. Maybe some skirmishes if even that. Too many will still follow the status quo and expect different results ... it might take another 10 years before they finally wake up. Sadly it will be even harder to fight then.
  • Adam Arizona... 2012/07/08 23:51:12
    Adam
    +1
    Unfortunately I get a much different feel on things (though I hope I'm incorrect). I see us there within 1 year depending on what happens in November.
  • Arizona... Adam 2012/07/09 00:00:20 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    I agree and will change my mind and say the "war" will begin if the status quo of failed policies continue and are allowed to bring about the total crash ... and if so, as predicted, America 2016 will look like any country in Europe with its dissent ... Turkey, Syria, Egypt ... etc. We were once a nation that pulled together to fight for our way of life as a Republic ... I don't see that now. We have allowed a tyranny to turn us into a democracy ... mob rule.
  • Nimitz 2012/07/08 04:46:04
    Undecided
    Nimitz
    +1
    A second American Revolution using the techniques of standard warfare is currently unwinnable.
  • Mr. T 2012/07/08 04:43:51
    Undecided
    Mr. T
    +5
    The American government is going for all out control. So unless you are willing to live on your knees, it seems an all out revolution might be our only choice. Obama and the homeland "security" are labeling patriots as terrorists, what does that tell you?
  • greatwhyte2 2012/07/08 04:39:58
    Undecided
    greatwhyte2
    +1
    what would we be fighting for this time??
  • Mr. T greatwh... 2012/07/08 04:45:11
    Mr. T
    +4
    To keep from becoming complete slaves to a tyrannical government.
  • greatwh... Mr. T 2012/07/08 04:49:42
    greatwhyte2
    Hate to burst your bubble but the weapons used on us we can't fight the only way to beat this is by putting the right people in the white house.
  • Mr. T greatwh... 2012/07/08 05:00:57
    Mr. T
    +3
    Sorry but "we the people" haven't put anyone in the WH in a long time. And yes, we can win. Look at the rag tag Afghans, they have very little, are illiterate and live on next to nothing and are kicking our ass.
  • greatwh... Mr. T 2012/07/08 05:07:01
    greatwhyte2
    I was there they are not kicking our asses the rules of engagement by the Geneva convention have our hands tied.as far as the weapons they would use on us take your house your job your life food clothes they know who you are what your doing at all times the tech america has would smoke us.
  • Mr. T greatwh... 2012/07/08 05:37:12
    Mr. T
    +1
    Tell that to the Afghans.
  • greatwh... Mr. T 2012/07/08 05:39:21
    greatwhyte2
    they don't have to follow the same rules they dont belong to nato we do.
  • Adam greatwh... 2012/07/08 16:44:59
    Adam
    +1
    There are set boundaries to keep from within this government and for them to use stronger weapons would destroy the very population they would seek to approve of them. Its not as hard as you think to win this way.

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