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Little Angel 2012/07/04 14:17:04
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GE has announced plans to spend $600 million on a new solar factory
located in the Denver suburb of Aurora, Colorado. The factory, which
begins operations in 2012, will be capable of producing enough solar
panels per year to generate 400 megawatts of power, or enough energy to
power 80,000 homes. When completed, the factory will be bigger than 11
football fields – soon to be the largest factory of its kind in the U.S.


The business will also bring 355 jobs to Colorado plus 100 more positions at GE’s research facility in upstate New York.


The company is retrofitting and expanding an existing 200,000 sq.
foot former L’Oreal Worldwide warehouse, a project which will require a
$300 million investment. Over the next two years, GE will double the
building’s size.


Colorado is already the manufacturing site for GE Energy’s thin film solar pilot line,
a joint technology development between GE’s Global Research Center and
PrimeStar Solar, a company GE acquired in April. The new factory is
located near this smaller, 30 MW facility and a GE solar research
center. GE says the location will enable an accelerated start-up
schedule with production equipment installation beginning in January
2012.


The new factory will produce thin film solar panels made from cadium
telluride, which are cheaper than traditional crystalline silicon
panels. It’s the same technology as produced by First Solar, the largest
solar company in the world by market cap.


The panels are lighter, which helps ease installation. They’re also
large, which helps to lower the total system cost by reducing the amount
of racking and electrical components required. Shipments to
utilities and commercial customers will start in early 2013, according
to the annoucement.


GE’s plan for solar is similar to the one for its wind business,
a space the company entered in 2002 – that is, it plans to grow through
both technology and scale. GE now has more than 27 gigawatts of wind
and solar resources installed around the world.

GE believes in Solar Energy enough to invest in expanding their Factory. Soon

the Denver International Airport will be completely Solar. There are Solar cars

being made. Schools. Homes, Businesses, & Channel 7 (CBS) are already

in Colorado. There are a lot of these Solar Energy places in other states too.

Solar Energy and Wind Energy are already in use and they will become

the Energy Sources in the near future.

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  • La 2012/07/04 14:22:59
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    La
    +9
    I don't see how it could "never work" >.> it does produce energy and plenty of people have solar panels.

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  • Wahvlvke Dana 2012/07/06 16:58:10
    Wahvlvke
    The case you are resting is a case of kool aid and your assumptions are the result of drinking too much of that kool aid.
  • Wahvlvke Dana 2012/07/06 16:59:37
    Wahvlvke
    By the way ... they have put off their plans indefinately ... obie's scam must have hit a snag.
  • Radlad 2012/07/04 22:23:36
    None of the above
    Radlad
    +2
    Question: This 600 million. Is it ge's money or taxpayers? If it is ge's money I don't care what they do with it. If ge is working this on their own. No government advise or intrusion. It'll probably work and be affordable. Otherwise ge would not be doing this..........

    Next question is how long for the rest of the country to be able to get in on this? The thing you must realize it will be decades before we will no longer need oil as an energy source.......
  • Catch224u 2012/07/04 22:18:29
    Undecided
    Catch224u
    Have you checked the price of batteries lately? Why the rush, by the time we really need an alternative energy source we will have refined many, in about 200 years.
  • susan 2012/07/04 21:45:49
    None of the above
    susan
    +1
    I don't believe I have ever heard anyone say that solar energy would never work.
    What I have heard and read is the problems with relying on solar energy as the major source of energy for society's needs.
    Solar energy on a small scale -- for individual homes, for small office buildings, and such -- has been around for a long time. In the 1960s, my family's businesses were building commercial buildings that used primarily solar heating. Some of those buildings are still in use today, but the solar factor is only one small part of the energy consumption in them. On my neighbor's farm, solar energy is just one of many energy sources being used.
    The limitations of solar energy are
    1.the need for huge, reliable means of saving that energy for use during non-productive times -- i.e, storage batteries, and the delivery of that power
    2. the need for rare earth minerals to make the solar panels and the myriad objections to mining those minerals,
    3. the costs of manufacturing
    4. the costs to retrofit existing housing and other buildings for solar
    5. the costs of building and orientation for new buildings that use solar energy efficiently
    6. the ability of the power consumer to pay the increased costs of solar energy
    7. the huge power requirements of manufacturers of other goods and the inability of solar providers to meet those requirements efficiently and affordably from solar energy.
    etc.
  • RED DAWN 2012/07/04 20:39:54 (edited)
    I want more oil wells in the United States....
    RED DAWN
    +1
    Nikola Tesla has already invented an alternative energy source.I don't know why the government don't have GE develop this farther.I know why the private sector won't do it because it's free energy.They could only profit from the sale of the device and not from the energy it produces.
  • Turings... RED DAWN 2012/07/05 01:10:17
    TuringsChild
    And we understand how he, Moray, Bedini, and others did what they did. But apparently we're only 'allowed' to make a system for ourselves. Those who try to mass produce such devices have... problems.
  • Q 2012/07/04 20:23:14
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    Q
    +2
    In my opinion its not a matter of it not working but when it will be economically viable for the masses. Its too bad we let China take the lead with Solar technology manufacturing, it may come back to bite us in the @ss.
  • Mark P. 2012/07/04 20:01:49 (edited)
    None of the above
    Mark P.
    +1
    Solar will only work as long as their is sun. When there is no sun, there is no energy production. There is no storage capacity either. So, what do you do when there is no sun due to bad weather and at night? I wonder how many of those solar panels will be made in he US?
  • Little ... Mark P. 2012/07/04 20:35:26
  • ZachStowe Mark P. 2012/07/04 21:55:59
    ZachStowe
    +1
    False, there is storage capacity
    Look into Nocera energy
  • Maddog 2012/07/04 19:52:18
    None of the above
    Maddog
    +2
    Solar energy is fine, but America will never be able to depend upon it as its sole source of energy.
  • Syl Maddog 2012/07/05 19:34:17
    Syl
    "The technology required to harness the power of the sun is available now. Solar power alone could provide all of the energy Americans consume — there is no shortage of solar energy"

    - http://www.americanenergyinde...
  • Maddog Syl 2012/07/05 19:51:06
    Maddog
    If that is the case, why isn't it being used? How do you run an automobile on solar energy?
  • Syl Maddog 2012/07/05 20:51:54 (edited)
    Syl
    It isn't being used because big oil companies and dirty power plants still want to make a ridiculous amount of money. Electric cars already exist and if the power used is generated by solar panels, your car runs on solar power.
  • Maddog Syl 2012/07/06 00:00:18
    Maddog
    You're very naive.
  • Syl Maddog 2012/07/06 11:27:46
    Syl
    Funny, I feel the same about you.
  • MR. 2012/07/04 19:44:40
    None of the above
    MR.
    I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO BE A COW TO KNOW WHAT MILK IS. (ANN LANDERS)
  • BUCKY-- SKYNYRD 2012/07/04 19:35:33
    I want more oil wells in the United States....
    BUCKY-- SKYNYRD
    who cares..who cares...
    I WANT CHEAP ENERGY NOW
  • Ken 2012/07/04 19:09:08
    Undecided
    Ken
    +2
    I want more oil wells in the US.....I want to keep the Oil Companies in Business....
    I believe in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources.... and in this order. Contrary to what the Government is telling us, we have the largest oil and gas deposits in the World it is senseless not to be using them, because of their cost and the Government regulations that control their damage to our environment.

    Solar and wind energy source technology is still in it's infancy, it is ugly, takes too much space and is not efficient enough to replace oil, gas and nuclear energy sources at this time. Should we continue to develope them? Yes, but by using the private sector without government subsidies.
  • Piperpc 2012/07/04 19:04:33
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    Piperpc
    +4
    It already works. My brother and his wife, were able to install solar panels in their home in NM, and they are thrilled with them. It's working in quite a few businesses, all over the country. It will take awhile, to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels, unfortunately. Why we are so tardy, in perfecting clean energy technology, and making it more affordable, is another story.......
  • wtw 2012/07/04 18:53:01
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    wtw
    +5
    And what happened to Solyndra?? The market needs to be there. Of course it is a great thing if we don't need to use gas or oil but reality and fantasy need to come together. To everything there is a season.
  • Alvin 2012/07/04 18:35:17
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    Alvin
    +3
    All it would take to make solar power the only source of energy the earth would ever need is the willingness of some people to develop it. The oil, coal and nuclear lobbies are way too powerful and have quashed every attempt to reduce their monopolies. Never ind that in the process they are killing millions of people and degrading the environment. They think that this is the price of doing business and that the the next quarter's profit is more important any way.
  • Don Leuty 2012/07/04 18:32:22
    Undecided
    Don Leuty
    +6
    We have a long way to go to get there. Meanwhile, natural gas is a fare cleaner solution than any other hydrocarbon solutions. GE is really investing your tax dollars to arrive at the solar solution. I suspect they will end up dropping the quest and sending us the bill. If the current approach to solar energy was viable, the market would hot on a solution. I suggest a hybrid form of natural gas and solar furnaces offer as workable solution to cover the dark times, since sunlight is available less than 50% of the time.

    While batteries have made significant gains, they still involve dangerous pollutants and often lead to more greenhouse gasses being produced than the final product saves.

    Wake up and smell the coffee. Hydrocarbons won't disappear over night, but our energy requirements will not disappear at all. Just because a thing is possible, doesn't make it cost effective. The all electric solution means more conductive metals must be smelted. The environmental impact of mining and smelting is far more destructive than hydrocarbons. Tunnel vision in the early stages of development tends to ignore viable option prematurely.

    Ben Franklin would simply say "Haste makes waste" in Poor Richards Almanac. Sage advice then. Sage advice, now.
  • susan Don Leuty 2012/07/04 21:48:15
    susan
    Well put.
  • ETpro 2012/07/04 18:27:14
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    ETpro
    +5
    I never believed that Solar Energy can't work. Enough solar energy hits the Earth each hour to supply its entire energy needs for a year. It's only a technological hurdle to find cost-effective ways to use this free energy.
  • Striker ETpro 2012/07/05 00:06:27
    Striker
    +1
    PV solar does work, and I built a system on remote property 20 years ago which used standard PV panels and components. By remote I mean way too far from the grid to get it affordably extended.

    PV's main problems are inefficiency in technology and less-than-ideal battery storage systems, thus PV is not price-competitive with the grid. Thus Government seeks to drive up the price for grid-power so far that it will render PV competitive. That's back assward, like all government "solutions".

    My development also included passive solar for heating and cooling shown on
    http://zelltree.net/solarsense/
  • Willy 2012/07/04 18:24:47
    None of the above
    Willy
    +3
    Just like high mileage cars, it won't work till they quit ripping us off on the cost. You can buy a high mileage car or solar panels but you will not have a payoff because of the cost. If obama would have taken a tenth of the trillions he has blown, and used it for development of cheap solar panels, we could all afford them by now. The same goes for wind generators/alternators.
  • Country Gentleman 2012/07/04 18:11:46
    None of the above
    Country Gentleman
    +3
    I believe solar energy can and does work. The question is whether it can be cost effective, which is another matter.
  • tncdel 2012/07/04 18:06:21
    None of the above
    tncdel
    +3
    Solar energy technology will never go forward seriously until they figure out a way to attach a meter to the Sun to bill you for it. :)~

    Just joking for the most part of course. But part of the reason why it's not moving ahead as quickly as it could is because the industry to develop and produce solar energy would only be able to make money off it from the sale or maintenance of what converts the solar energy to a USABLE power source.
  • Syl tncdel 2012/07/05 19:29:57
    Syl
    Unfortunately you are right.
  • Little Angel 2012/07/04 18:03:50
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    Little Angel
    +3
    We really need to stop depending on oil and nuclear as sources of energy!


  • luigi1- in god we trust 2012/07/04 17:59:29
    I want more oil wells in the United States....
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +6
    In the 1960s they promised cheap solar energy. Today, solar energy is still unafordable to the masses. Government subsidies cannot go on forever.

    We are going to be oil based for at least another 40 yrs. In the meantime, drill baby drill.
  • Country... luigi1-... 2012/07/04 18:14:51
    Country Gentleman
    +3
    You know we need more refineries to process the oil. I don't think in today's environment (not sure about the pun) it will be possible to build them.
  • Ken Country... 2012/07/04 19:22:07
    Ken
    +6
    It's possible, but allowable is another thing.
  • Striker Ken 2012/07/05 00:08:22
    Striker
    +4
    yet another reason to get GOVERNment out of our lives.
  • Georgia50 2012/07/04 17:24:41
    None of the above
    Georgia50
    +4
    My preference is that markets determine our progress and degree of adaptation to alternative energy, not governments and not taxes.
  • Daedalus 2012/07/04 17:22:25 (edited)
    I beleve in Solar Energy and I am ready for cleaner energy sources..
    Daedalus
    We have seen solar work on an industrial scale in the American deserts regions and there is plenty more solar technology that has yet to escape from their University labs; some of it with implications that are quite stupendous.

    There are new innovations in biofuels too; the only question being who will own these secrets and take them to market. And there are real secrets out there.

    Some people tend to be miserable on this subject because of a hand full of high profile failures, but if people take a serious look at new ideas in this field and provide it serious backing, nothing will be able to stop it from taking off.

    One problem I see is that the latest knowledge and the best solutions seem to always get sidelined for slightly older ideas and technology with more money backing them. I guess the big players don't want to pay for the new technology, they would rather capitalize on what they have to offer right now, then buy the new tech guys later for a 2nd round of sales and "we are the innovators" slogan brand advertising.
  • Ken Daedalus 2012/07/04 19:29:14
    Ken
    +3
    In a reasonable World, if the government put a useage regulation on patents; we might see someting start to happen. If someone has a viable, inexpensive energy patent and does not develope it in a reasonable period; they should lose the patent to someone who will.
  • Daedalus Ken 2012/07/04 19:54:15 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +1
    Sounds dubious but it might be good to put it to a trial run in some industries. I suspect some things might be developed in secret or not at all or in another country if that happened.

    The main problem is that our government is bought and paid for.

    Good government could foster the movement of these new innovations to market or develop it themselves (if urgent enough), but they owe favors to all the businessmen trying to sell off their ugly step daughter first before they pull out the beauty queens.

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