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Do ALL child molesters who believe in Jesus go to heaven?

☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/26 20:39:25
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I do realize that in the eyes of Jesus child rape is just as bad as eating pork or shellfish... but does anyone on earth believe that child rapists are in fact as bad as people who disrespect their parents?

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  • Crusader7 2009/02/26 23:09:31 (edited)
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    Crusader7
    +10
    That view of the Bible is incorrect.
    1. Jesus tossed out the food restrictions. :)
    2. "Disrespecting parents", The Law was a perfect standard that couldn't be followed. Specifically the Laws that were punishable by death by anyone who breaks them.

    Examples of God's standard:
    A) A perfect person would never disrespect their parents or anyone.
    B) A perfect person would obey all of God's Laws.

    C)There is no such person.

    One must understand the message of the law before understanding God's gospel of grace.

    God is the holy standard.
    Man is the filthy rags standard.

    That's a beginning of wisdom.

    In regards to a child molester; Jesus foretold a very harsh penalty in hell. How can that person be forgiven? Based on His (Jesus) word, it is a very rare happening that a child molester truly repents to God.

    And once a true Christian, one would never do such an act for the Holy Spirit doesn't cosign for such evils.

    Love is in Truth...

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  • Von Douche ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/28 01:04:20
    Von Douche
    LMFAO!!!!!!!
  • Charlie 2009/02/27 11:47:14
    Child molesters are saved... so long as they worship Jesus.
    Charlie
    I'm not a Christian but I know in your belief that you say your Jesus is a forgiving person.
  • Smokey Charlie 2009/02/28 18:25:35
    Smokey
    For a person with no forgiveness in their heart, living is even worse punishment than death.
  • ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot 2009/02/27 11:11:53
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    +3
    It is not about just belief, because the demons also believe. It is confessing our sin to Him, asking for forgiveness and asking Him to come into your life to be your Lord and Savior. You turn away from your sin and follow Him. Now many people say they believe in God, but do not turn from their sin. They are not Christians.
  • ☠Marz555☠ ACB4Val... 2009/02/27 20:04:45
    ☠Marz555☠
    I would say most....
  • ACB4Val... ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/27 20:34:16 (edited)
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    +1
    You do not know who or how many, only God knows that. I said that many say that they believe in God, and then all of those that do not turn from habitual sin or never even seeking from turning from it are not Christians. When you are a true Christian you are turning from your sin to follow Him, but that does not mean that you will be perfect. There is salvation, and then there is sanctification that takes place for God to reveal your sin and then turning from it. It is all based on a relationship with Him, and not on religious rituals.
  • Dymyn 2009/02/27 10:38:27
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    Dymyn
    +1
    They need to be shot!!!!!
  • Smokey Dymyn 2009/02/28 18:25:49
    Smokey
    +1
    For a person with no forgiveness in their heart, living is even worse punishment than death.
  • Dymyn Smokey 2009/02/28 21:27:58
    Dymyn
    Well, the sad thing is, not many understand what they did was wrong, therefore they don't care if people shun them or don't forgive them, they had no remorse for what they have done. But there are a few out there that know what they did was wrong as they punish themselves for it. But then again there are some they are walking around right this vary moment repeating what they did.
  • thetruth 2009/02/27 06:54:40
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    thetruth
    +2
    If you believe in Jesus, if you honestly know Jesus, why would you do such a horrible thing? If you confess Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God the Father raised Him from the dead you will be saved. You must repent, and stop sinning. Sin is sin in Gods eyes no matter how small or large, and eating pork and shellfish are not sins, Jesus has declaired all foods clean...
  • ashy1993 2009/02/27 04:29:10
    yes, everyone who worships Jesus as god goes to heaven.
    ashy1993
    the bible says that nothing can rip you out of God's hand. therefore if you are saved and believe that Jesus died for EVERYONES sins and loves EVERYBODY if you truly believe that then reguardless of your past God forgives all people and they still go to Heaven.
  • ACB4Val... ashy1993 2009/02/27 20:35:31
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    I think they are talking and asking about after supposed salvation and you commit this sin.
  • Billy beth 2009/02/27 04:19:02
    yes, everyone who worships Jesus as god goes to heaven.
    Billy beth
    +1
    if they ask God to forgive them and don't do it again, then they will.
  • alazyangel 2009/02/27 04:02:10
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    alazyangel
    +3
    preposterous is mis-spelled. And yes it is, Jesus warns us not to lead astray children. Pedophilia is a way of killing human souls, hence these killers will find hell nice and toasted.

    warns lead astray children pedophilia killing human souls killers toasted
  • ☠Marz555☠ alazyangel 2009/02/27 06:53:46
    ☠Marz555☠
    +1
    I knew the bible says that pedophilia is wrong, now if you can interpret some verse where it says that rape or slavery is wrong that would be awesome.
  • alazyangel ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/27 14:26:28
    alazyangel
    +1
    Rape goes with fornication, Bible wise I mean.
    Slavery is more tricky, it really only confronts economic slavery and suggest fair treatment, which is nothing like the slavery of today or even of the last 200 years.
    Ask a Priest/Rabbi/Reverend, but find one who is a little more clear than the videoed one above.
  • ☠Marz555☠ alazyangel 2009/02/27 20:15:57
    ☠Marz555☠
    You are right I should ask a preist... He will tell me how great slavery was and how slaves were just thrilled to be bought and owned, of course they were... it's the good book, there is nothing bad in it. If there were, it wouldn't be the "good book" now would it.

    Wrong... but not discouraged, remember the punishment for rape is fifty pieces of silver to the father of the girl you rape... and you have to eventually marry the person you have raped, and the rapist is NEVER allowed to divorce her.

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)


    And I know that ALL slaves in the bible were "joy slaves" because they just loved to serve people because it was commanded by god... but some bible verses seem like it might just have been a more brutal and evil thing... I could be wrong, I'm not a preacher, so I probably interpret the words a little wrong.

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    Your religion is based on pain, torture, slavery, rape, human sacrifice and of course lies.
  • ACB4Val... ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/27 20:55:37
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    +1
    This is not condoning rape, and yes you are interpreting wrong. Slavery was never condoned either. This is not condoning, this is the law. This is saying if this happens, not to do this. Just like our laws that say when a person murders they are to receive this sentence. Is that law condoning that behavior? No! It is saying when this happens then this is to be the just punishment for it. Is is condoning slavery, or beating no. There are different laws for wife beating than there are for assault on a perfect stranger, is that condoning wife beating? No! It is because this is your wife, that there are some domestic things that might occur with arguments versus just fighting a stranger on the street. These are different situations. Any time that slavery is mentioned like with the Isrealites in Egypt, God does not condone it but allows it but when they cried out to God than He came and sent Moses to lead them out of Egypt. When David's son raped his sister there were great consequences for that son, and it was all because of the lack of discipline by David to his children because of the sin that he had committed in his own life. There is a great difference between condoning and allowing even sin to occur. The ten commandments tells us to not commit adultery yet he made allowance fo...





    This is not condoning rape, and yes you are interpreting wrong. Slavery was never condoned either. This is not condoning, this is the law. This is saying if this happens, not to do this. Just like our laws that say when a person murders they are to receive this sentence. Is that law condoning that behavior? No! It is saying when this happens then this is to be the just punishment for it. Is is condoning slavery, or beating no. There are different laws for wife beating than there are for assault on a perfect stranger, is that condoning wife beating? No! It is because this is your wife, that there are some domestic things that might occur with arguments versus just fighting a stranger on the street. These are different situations. Any time that slavery is mentioned like with the Isrealites in Egypt, God does not condone it but allows it but when they cried out to God than He came and sent Moses to lead them out of Egypt. When David's son raped his sister there were great consequences for that son, and it was all because of the lack of discipline by David to his children because of the sin that he had committed in his own life. There is a great difference between condoning and allowing even sin to occur. The ten commandments tells us to not commit adultery yet he made allowance for divorce because of adultery, does that mean that now God condones adultery.

    I am not sure where you get the human sacrifice, unless you are talking about the Son of God dying for all of our sins. He willingly laid down His life for all. That is not quite the same as taking someone and killing them.

    You are absolutely right, you do not read it to live and so you do not read in wisdom and understanding. So you might not want to try.

    This is not about religion anyway, this is about a personal relationship with a living God who has made a way for us through the Lord Jesus Christ. He wishes that all would come to Him, and that none should perish. He sacrificed His son for even you. Does that sound like a hateful, liar to you? For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God 1 Corinthians 1:18
    (more)
  • Evan A.... ACB4Val... 2009/03/07 07:35:55
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    +1
    Very well said my friend. So many folks read the bible and don't seem to realize that much of it is discriptive of a world system or situational conditions, not prescriptive of what ought to be. Very well said my brother.

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  • ACB4Val... Evan A.... 2009/03/07 07:51:15
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    Aww....Thanks brother, but I am a sister. hehe!
  • Evan A.... ACB4Val... 2009/03/07 18:05:45
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    +1
    Oh sorry!
  • ACB4Val... Evan A.... 2009/03/07 21:34:59 (edited)
    ACB4Values~Extreme Patriot
    No problem. Hehe!
  • alazyangel ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/28 01:17:35
    alazyangel
    50 pieces of silver then... what would that be today?
    The rest, as I said, needs someone with more knowledge than mine or the above preacher.
  • Diverbelo 2009/02/27 03:52:54
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    Diverbelo
    +1
    I really don't know.... Ask the Priest.
  • Smokey 2009/02/27 03:52:17
    Child molesters are saved... so long as they worship Jesus.
    Smokey
    +3
    If they ask for forgivness, repent, and be baptised and truely are remorseful for what they've done, it's up to GOD if they're saved. There is NO sin greater than the other. And, I'm not GOD, That is way above my pay scale. Besides, he's the ONLY one that look in the heart of a person.
  • ☠Marz555☠ Smokey 2009/02/27 06:59:21
    ☠Marz555☠
    +1
    Baptized after someone rapes children, will that clear them of their sins? What if they were baptized when they were babies, and then raped children and then had remorse enough to believe in Jesus... would the previous baptism still count or would they have to be re dunked in the holy water after Jesus removed their sin.

    And what if that same child molester after being saved had sinned again, would they have to redo the whole process or would the prior baptism still count?
  • Smokey ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/27 16:24:07
    Smokey
    God forgives ALL sins. I know it's hard to understand that, but if a person that has done wrong is given a second chance. That is what the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross. We have to be very careful to damn someone to hell because we're not the final judge.

    Listen, Apostle Paul killed Stephen. But when he was Saul and blinded on the road, he later converted and was Baptized and become one of the instrumental leaders of Christianity.

    Look at what some of the leaders did in the Old Testiment. Moses killed someone. David slept with another man's wife, and then had him sent in the front lines of battle to die.

    Finally, there were two men dying on the cross next to Jesus. Do you know what he told the one next to him because he had remorse in his heart? He told him that after he died, he'd be with him in paridise.

    So remember, I know if someone did something to my kids, I'd be highly upset. I'd probably would want to kill them. But, I put it all in God's hands. And guess what? If years later they were remorseful, I'd have to forgive them.
  • ☠Marz555☠ Smokey 2009/02/27 20:19:15
    ☠Marz555☠
    Most death row inmates are remorseful and have given their soul to some deity in exchange for not being punished for their sins...

    All you have to do is worship this particular cult leader as god and break a few of the commandments and poof... instant salvation.

    It's a real good thing for society if you ask any death row inmate... or child rapist.
  • Smokey ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/28 13:49:35
    Smokey
    You may be right for some, but can't look into the hearts of men, so how do you know 100%?
  • Durf ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/28 17:45:37 (edited)
    Durf
    God gave man freedom of choice and a set of rules through dozens of religious beliefs. If a person breaks these rules that was his/her choice. You can use your freedom of choice to worship the Heavenly Czar or rape kids. Do the crime... Hell wasn't created just for people that believe differently. It was made for people who rape kids too. There are whack jobs that truely believe you can commit these abominations and still receive peace in whatever is after life. So psycologically they can rationalize there abberant behavior. It's like a pee test for work-the people targeted know how to get around it. Is this the Christian Creed "Just say 'Sorry"", and really, really mean it.
    And Smokey, in the Gospel Jesus says " don't make doctrine out of man's dogma". Humanity has been doing that since Paul's rantings became the bulk of the New Testament.
  • ronbo 2009/02/27 03:51:23
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    ronbo
    +1
    I think a chester who wants to get into Heaven is going to have his work cut out for him.
  • dancer girl 2009/02/27 03:40:52
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    dancer girl
    +2
    thats just stupid
  • ☠Marz555☠ dancer ... 2009/02/27 07:00:13
    ☠Marz555☠
    +1
    Apparently 'not' to alot of christians anyway.
  • Emily Loves You 2009/02/27 03:12:51
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    Emily Loves You
    +3
    so people who do good for the world who dont worship god will go to hell and those who do evil and sin AGAINST GOD'S WISHES are going to heaven??? that doesnt seem right
  • ☠Marz555☠ Emily L... 2009/02/27 07:01:15
    ☠Marz555☠
    +2
    Doesn't seem very rational, but then again this is the bible were talking about.
  • Magzilla 2009/02/27 03:03:57
    yes, everyone who worships Jesus as god goes to heaven.
    Magzilla
    +3
    I got into a debate with a person about this. This person believes that all a person needs to do is accept Jesus as their savior and lord and their soul will be saved regardless of what they do because Jesus died for them to repeant for their sins.
    Why have any rules?
  • ☠Marz555☠ Magzilla 2009/02/27 07:02:18
    ☠Marz555☠
    +2
    And this is good for society... how exactly?
    society
  • Magzilla ☠Marz555☠ 2009/02/27 07:04:28
    Magzilla
    +2
    Her argument to that was that all in all society didn't matter, the only thing that mattered was believing in God and accepting Jesus as your savior.

    I don't mind people being religious but these types freak me out.
  • troy82 - Christ is returnin... 2009/02/27 03:00:54
    no, that is just peoposterous.
    troy82 - Christ is returning, Today!
    +2
    Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
    Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

    or maybe you will better understand

    Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
    Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
    Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    A Born again follower of Christ will not do practice such hideous acts..!.Grace is available to someone who truly repents, accepts and receives Christ as their Lord AND savior. Someone who would continue in such sin is nothing more than a poser.....false convert...faker...wannabe Christian on the wide path to hell.

    going to church does not make someone a Christian any more than going to a hospital makes one a doctor....it is circumcision of the heart, not the flesh!
  • vvl 2009/02/27 03:00:40
    yes, everyone who worships Jesus as god goes to heaven.
    vvl
    Salvation is open to all... if they repent and turn from their sin. Jesus told sinners, "go and sin no more." If a person clings to sin instead of God, that person is rejecting Heaven. There is no crime to great for God to forgive, but we must seek forgiveness.

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