Ditzel versus Bowser Marriage Case: If the groom isn't at the wedding, is the marriage valid?

by Creamy Posted June 25, 2009 00:45:17

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	Ditzel and Bowser are married... If the groom proposed and the ceremony happened, the marriage is valid	2 votes	5%
	Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'	25 votes	68%
	I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...	10 votes	27%

The Ditzel versus Bowser case occurred after Matthew Ditzel, the groom, refused to attend his wedding with Heather Bowser. The bride Heather claims that Ditzel said he didn't want to attend the ceremony, but still wanted to get married. Matthew Ditzel claims he never wanted to get married to Heather Bowser.

Matthew Ditzel says the marriage didn't happen, but Heather Bowser and the state of Florida says they are officially married.

If the groom isn't at the wedding ceremony to say 'I do,' then is the marriage invalid?

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rightside June 25, 2009 00:53:42

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

+3
I think this is the stupidest thing ever.
If he didn't show up, he didn't get married.
Otherwise I will get married to Bill Gates and every other rich man out there.
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HPGal3 June 29, 2009 19:25:50

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

Isn't that the point of having a ceremony? Even a small one in a courthouse, both have to be present to say 'I do' for it to be valid. If not, you could end up married to someone who doesn't know you, but whom you've admired from afar, and had some sick fantasy of him proposing to you, so in your mind, everythings fine.

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LunaLovegood June 29, 2009 15:24:17

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

It seems obvious that, for a wedding to be valid, both bride and groom should be present. And since the groom in this case didn't WANT to get married, it's especially invalid!!!

And if this were valid, think how many problems it would lead to. Someone could be "married" without knowing it!

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Nicky Morsher June 29, 2009 00:56:55

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

It's not a wedding if they both don't listen to the stupid wedding speech thing and say 'I do'

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AngelMarie June 27, 2009 23:22:53

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

There's no wedding with out either part bride or groom.

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BGIRL_ROX June 27, 2009 13:07:24

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

well just think about it:the groom's not there, then HOW exactly would they be married? This marriage is more than invalid, it's completely unfair! He wasn't there to get married, He didn't want to get married, so that's how it should be. They're NOT married, because there was no groom at the ceremony to say "I do".

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Iamcowhearmemoo June 27, 2009 12:37:41

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

NO HE ISN'T MARRIED! If that was possible, I would make a wedding and get married to whomever I wished(Cough Hugh Laurie Cough). *rolls eyes*

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Nuggs June 27, 2009 10:45:59

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

This is scary....could mean that anyone could be married without even knowing...any binding contract surely has to be signed with witnesses?

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santa6642 June 27, 2009 02:32:08

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

total BS.

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crimsonbutterfly June 27, 2009 00:28:01

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

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If they don't complete the ceremony then the judge cannot sign the license. And if he didn't want to get married then why did he get a marriage license then? No, if he wasn't there then it's not valid.

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Lynn June 26, 2009 23:15:42

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

Sounds like another divorce already in the making.

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sara June 26, 2009 21:20:59

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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Yeah, basically, he has to say "I do" and agree to the whole thing. Otherwise, it's null and void. Plus if he's ARGUING about it, obviously he doesn't want to be married so why push it? Sounds like a crazy bride, to me.

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TeeHee June 26, 2009 17:36:07

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

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*snort* This makes me laugh. Really. No, the marriage is not valid. The groom, in my opinion, needs to be physically present and standing at the altar beside his would-be bride in order for the marriage to be valid.

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Marlicat June 26, 2009 14:27:33

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

I think this is just cooky. Stop being so frigging technical! If the guy doesn't want to get married, and says he doesn't want to get married, and didn't show up to get married, then obviously HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET MARRIED! So they aren't married, because the dude got cold feet and didn't show.
This is STUPID.
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Aleisa - Rightey extremist ... June 26, 2009 02:25:40

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

If he signed the licence then yes. No ceremony or "I do" is needed.

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Sasssy June 26, 2009 02:21:16

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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What a fluke. He didn't show up. Tlhat tells the whole story.

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BGIRL_ROX to Sasssy June 27, 2009 13:12:25

Yup. Didn't want to get married. Didn't want to be there. The state of Florida and his "wife" say they're married. What the hell is wrong here!?

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Sasssy to BGIRL_ROX June 27, 2009 21:42:48

He didn't say I do. He wasn't there to say I do. He even said he didn't want to marry her.

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BGIRL_ROX to Sasssy June 27, 2009 21:54:13

K, he wasn't there, how the hell do they call it valid?! What's my home state coming to?! -_- *man, ppl make no sense anymore*

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Sasssy to BGIRL_ROX June 27, 2009 21:57:16

I guess it's like a shotgun wedding.

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BGIRL_ROX to Sasssy June 27, 2009 22:01:22

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*sighs* I guess weddings nowadays are a pain in the ass, state says ur married to sum1 'cause of ceremony, then there goes one of ur rights.

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lolCaitlin June 26, 2009 01:24:41

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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If both parties don't agree, there is nothing. Simple.

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Andrea June 25, 2009 21:46:22 (edited)

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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Unless both parties say I Do there is no marriage. The ceremony can't happen without both parties unless there is a proxy stand in. In that case there has to be a legal document stating such. The state of Florida is obviously run by idiots. If this were legal, I could marry Gerard Butler without him being present. I mean, he really loves me and wants to be my husband you know.

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Chaotixa June 25, 2009 20:54:14

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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what about all those wedding scenes where the bride doesnt show up or she gets cold feet at the last second and says no i dont? do those still count too? no way should it count, thats why they call it engagement, not marriage, until they both agree to marry each other, in front of a preist or judge, plus witnesses. if he doesnt want to marry her, he shouldnt be married to her, and i dont see how the state recognized them as married when he didnt show up, it doesnt make sense to me. it may be different in other cultures and counrties, but in america showing up for the big day is kinda important.

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Cookie-chan ~Love Like This~ June 25, 2009 19:19:46

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

Is like a lot of Roman marriages. The ceremony could happen without the groom. Really all the guy had to do was mail his vow to her. This happened a lot, considering many men were off at war when the weddings would happen. I think they are legally married. There are no set rules saying "Both the bride and groom must be present and say "I do." It's their wedding, it is up to them.

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deathangel*daughter of hades* June 25, 2009 15:23:53

Ditzel and Bowser are married... If the groom proposed and the ceremony happe...

if the state says they are then they are if da dude dosent lik it he could move 2 another state of he shouldnt of proprosed at all

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The Bantam Seditioner June 25, 2009 07:38:15

Ditzel and Bowser are married... If the groom proposed and the ceremony happe...

Of course they are. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to saying that no contract is valid unless both parties are there at the signing. When a man fails to appear at his partner's bediside during the birth of his child, is he no longer a father?

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Nuggs to The Ban... June 27, 2009 10:50:18

Over here most contracts have to be signed in front of at last two witnesses...so here that would make it a none starter.

Just slightly different to making babies...lol

More like if I was thinking about buying a car...had taken it for a test drive etc...but changed my mind and the car salesman making out the receipt and finance agreement in my absence???

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girlsmika June 25, 2009 02:46:34

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

+1
It's a tradition the groom must say "I do"

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Dagon June 25, 2009 01:54:32

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

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depends on whether or not a proxy was there to do the grooms business. This substitute method was used in war time and other occasions.

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Catie June 25, 2009 01:36:25

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

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duh its not official until they say i do but then again idc!

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briauna June 25, 2009 01:13:52

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

i don't get it

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Mzedwardcullen4eve June 25, 2009 01:08:50

Ditzel and Bowser are not married... The groom has to say 'I do.'

+1
um, thats pretty stupid

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Archer ~ The Limit Break of... June 25, 2009 01:01:39

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

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If the marriage forms for a civil marriage are signed by both parties, they're married. Maybe not in the eyes of their respective deities, but in the eyes of the law? Yup. Married. Well, you need that and signatures in the presence of a witness, of course.

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rightside June 25, 2009 00:53:42

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

+3
I think this is the stupidest thing ever.
If he didn't show up, he didn't get married.
Otherwise I will get married to Bill Gates and every other rich man out there.

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Anny June 25, 2009 00:52:31

I think the Bitzel versus Bowser case...

+1
i don't care.

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