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Did you know that more people believe in UFOs than oppose public option?

GeorgeR September 29, 2009 23:04:53

“…Dear MoveOn member,

OK, this is amazing: More people believe in UFOs than oppose the public health insurance option.1

Seriously, it's easier to find someone who thinks aliens are landing spaceships in our cornfields than someone who thinks we shouldn't create a public option to keep the insurance companies honest.

The insurance companies are basically the only ones who don't like the public option—which is probably why their industry is spending nearly $5 million per week trying to fight off health care reform in Congress.2…”
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  • +4 raves right this time September 30, 2009 18:39:43
    right this time

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    A majority of the public as well as a majority of doctors favor a public option. As for UFOs it is easier to believe that they exist than it is to believe the insurance companies will reform themselves without competition from a public option.
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  • +2 raves
    Snaps mom October 05, 2009 08:43:17
    Snaps mom

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    I agree with..right this time
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    realist October 01, 2009 21:58:10
    realist

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    maybe the UFOs will abduct some conservatives and probe them. and yes the probing is covered under the public option
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    GeorgeR realist October 05, 2009 08:34:24
    GeorgeR
    To probe or not to probe, that is the question. :)
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    right this time September 30, 2009 18:39:43
    right this time

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    A majority of the public as well as a majority of doctors favor a public option. As for UFOs it is easier to believe that they exist than it is to believe the insurance companies will reform themselves without competition from a public option.
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    GeorgeR right t... October 01, 2009 11:12:42
    GeorgeR
    Now that's the truest statement I have see here. You are sooooo right. I actually feel that universal single payer is the real answer however. Eliminate the insurance industry altogether from health care. They don't as much as put a band aid on a scrapped knee. Who needs them?
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    Doodlebug September 29, 2009 23:45:17
    Doodlebug

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    I asked a question earlier if anyone could show me one CURRENT poll that said Americans did NOT want a public option, and so far I haven't had anyone give me one.

    I believe in UFOs.
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    GeorgeR Doodlebug September 30, 2009 09:59:26
    GeorgeR
    Maybe ET can teach us some medicine. LOL
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    Lavendergrl September 29, 2009 23:39:49 (edited)
    Lavendergrl

    UFOs or not I want the public option (discuss)

    In the immortal words of Bill O'Reilly, "If the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks."
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    GeorgeR Lavende... September 30, 2009 10:02:07
    GeorgeR
    Then he is for universal single payer. Why doesn't he say so. lol
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    Lavende... GeorgeR September 30, 2009 14:48:27
    Lavendergrl
    I saw the quote in TIME magazine yesterday. Priceless isn't it?
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    GeorgeR Lavende... October 01, 2009 11:13:34
    GeorgeR
    Put things into perspective. :)
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    Alex September 29, 2009 23:16:11
    Alex

    None of the above (discuss)

    Public Option. Such a misnomer. Its socialized medicine pure and simple. And its wrong. It is wrong to take money or anything from people, no matter what you do with it. If it was such a wonderful thing why wouldn't people volunteer??
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    Lavende... Alex September 29, 2009 23:37:00
    Lavendergrl
    Money shouldn't be taken to make public roads or infrastructure. Shouldn't be taken to fund schools. Shouldn't be taken to pay our elected officials. Shouldn't be taken to run the Drug Enforcement Agency, or the Central Intelligence Agency, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, let alone local law enforcement. Shouldn't be taken to pay the Immigration Task Force. Shouldn't be taken to fund prisons. Shouldn't be taken to save American's money on insurance that meets everybody's needs. You're right. It's all Socialist.
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    Alex Lavende... September 29, 2009 23:55:14
    Alex
    Glad to see someone agrees!
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    GeorgeR Alex September 30, 2009 10:07:10
    GeorgeR
    Just pay you taxes and stop whining.
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    Alex GeorgeR September 30, 2009 11:30:08
    Alex
    Exactly what i mean. Pay your taxes and shut up. Thats good. I certain that 200 years ago you would have told your slaves the same thing only it would have been, "stop whining." You don't even consider anything outside you little world of now. Do you not want more freedom, and a the ultimate say in how your money gets spent??
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    GeorgeR Alex October 01, 2009 11:15:34
    GeorgeR
    Blow it out your ear. You want to enslave everyone else so you don't have to pay your share of taxes.
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    Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 11:36:58
    Alex
    How do you get there? Thats the exact opposite of what i want. I want to be free, and i realize that in order for me to be free i must let others be free. I know, the economics of a free market, and it means more prosperity for everyone.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 01, 2009 11:55:27
    GeorgeR
    It is not a free market and it is the insurance industry that destroys competition. And people have a fundamental right to their health and should not have to compete to get it. We don't need health care for the highest bidder. There are no superior citizens in a truly free democracy.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 17:38:09
    Alex
    What do you know of economics? When there is only one provider of a service, and healthcare is a service, that provider does not have to worry about customers going else were for that service. Hence they don't worry about the quality of the service that they provide, nor the price of it. The health insurance industry is so heavily regulated by the government that it is virtually eliminated competition. The solution, the way to provide high quality health insurance to more people at the lowest possible price, is to remove all regulations, so that competitors can get into the market. It isn't up for debate, it is a scientific fact, competition in any market is what provides a better good or service. And in the U.S. we have almost no competition.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 01, 2009 20:13:48
    GeorgeR
    I teach economics and you have no clue about what you are trying to talk about.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 21:20:16
    Alex
    You must be a Keynesian. And if that is the case, then even though i have only taken one class of economics, and merely read from a website and several books, I already know a heck of a lot more than you. Try reading some, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Hayek, and Mises and then come back. By the way Mises.org has some wonderful articles regarding a myriad of economic issues, in addition to countless other topics.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 05, 2009 08:38:09
    GeorgeR
    One class and you think you know anything? Now that is funny. lol
  • Alex GeorgeR October 05, 2009 12:16:01
    Alex
    I know more than you do and that is obvious. You won't even try to explain yourself.
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    morning... GeorgeR October 02, 2009 17:30:11
    morning40oz~NeoRadical
    So, do you always use a band-aid to cover up an open-heart surgery?

    There isn't a single reason that more money has to come out of the public's already meager pockets. If our elected officials had been concerned about our health care, there would have been more than 6% of the annual budget allocated, annually, towards it. Instead, their answer is to bilk more money out of us, continue the debt slavery imposed on us nearly 100 years ago, and continue selling out to the highest corporate bidder. I can't imagine why anyone would trust this same government, today, that sold us out a long time ago.

    Now, back to no money coming out of our pocketbooks. The US allocates $522 billion a year towards military defense. Unless they are lying, the government tells us we have the most advanced, technological military weapons in the world. We already know we've long had weapons that could turn countries into little more than slabs of green glass known as trinitite. In other words, we're covered on that end. However, this isn't the expenditure that I want to tackle. A great deal of our spending goes to the military welfare system we've set up in various countries throughout the world, lending them our military. This isn't crucial to our national defense and I'm willing to bet if we...

    So, do you always use a band-aid to cover up an open-heart surgery?

    There isn't a single reason that more money has to come out of the public's already meager pockets. If our elected officials had been concerned about our health care, there would have been more than 6% of the annual budget allocated, annually, towards it. Instead, their answer is to bilk more money out of us, continue the debt slavery imposed on us nearly 100 years ago, and continue selling out to the highest corporate bidder. I can't imagine why anyone would trust this same government, today, that sold us out a long time ago.

    Now, back to no money coming out of our pocketbooks. The US allocates $522 billion a year towards military defense. Unless they are lying, the government tells us we have the most advanced, technological military weapons in the world. We already know we've long had weapons that could turn countries into little more than slabs of green glass known as trinitite. In other words, we're covered on that end. However, this isn't the expenditure that I want to tackle. A great deal of our spending goes to the military welfare system we've set up in various countries throughout the world, lending them our military. This isn't crucial to our national defense and I'm willing to bet if we dug deeper, we could find more that could be better spent elsewhere.

    If but, 20% were taken from the military budget and added to what is spent on health care, our health care system would be improved vastly and those who would like to remain on their existing health care programs could do so. Of course, that would be a compromise that would benefit the public. Our government isn't so fond of those sorts of things.
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    GeorgeR morning... October 05, 2009 08:51:39
    GeorgeR
    Why in God's name do you want to continue to pay insurance companies at all? They do absolutely nothing but collect from the American people. They serve no function that is of any benefit to the American people. They are worse than useless.
  • morning... GeorgeR October 05, 2009 08:55:40
    morning40oz~NeoRadical
    You want to talk to me about insurance companies????

    If you knew anything about me at all, you'd already know that I've blasted insurance companies to Hell for years and have done so here on SH for about a year. I'm from New Orleans. I've seen what damage insurance companies can inflict. It is because of insurance companies and our own government that people are still without homes in New Orleans and on the Gulf Coast.

    I detest insurance companies as equally as I detest our ethically bankrupt, corrupt cesspool of a government.
  • morning... GeorgeR October 05, 2009 08:57:21
    morning40oz~NeoRadical
    PS--What, in my statement above, suggested that I promote insurance companies? That was all you got from that?

    The US spends 50% of its annual budget on military and 6% on healthcare and somehow that translates to promoting insurance companies?

    Way to avoid the elephant in the room.
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    GeorgeR Lavende... September 30, 2009 10:05:18
    GeorgeR
    And soooo good.
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    right t... Lavende... September 30, 2009 18:48:51
    right this time
    I think Alex should quit using our highways as a sign of his commitment to not accept socialist systems. Of course, since our airports also are part of this socialists system he better not fly anywhere either. I'm afraid you are way over his head! LOL.
  • Alex right t... September 30, 2009 20:35:02
    Alex
    Hey if i could i would. I personally would like peace, freedom and equality but you all seem to prefer force and aggression. The difference is i want something that will benefit everybody, and you want most people to suffer so that a few people can feel good.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 01, 2009 11:20:22
    GeorgeR
    This is a country of people all with a fundamental right to "equal protection" and you don't get to exclude anyone.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 11:38:11
    Alex
    really equal? seems to me some are more equal than others.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 01, 2009 11:56:39
    GeorgeR
    When we get health care reform they will be equal.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 22:01:25
    Alex
    How do you figure equal? Equal in slavery? No thanks.
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    GeorgeR Alex October 05, 2009 09:13:06
    GeorgeR
    Yeah, yeah, I get it. You would rather be a slave to the insurance industry. So you pick that option for you but the rest of us want the government option, for now until we get tired of still paying more because your insurance still drives costs up for the rest of us. Then we get universal single payer and fix it totally.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 05, 2009 12:13:34
    Alex
    How can one be a slave to the insurance industry? Are people forced to get health insurance? Not everywhere yet; where i am we are. And over the last several years the cost of it has doubled. Single payer will only make it worse, which you would realize if you actually understood economics and logic.
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    right t... Alex October 01, 2009 11:50:53
    right this time
    I think you have it backwards. We actually want everyone to have a chance at the American dream, the way it was decades ago. We have never before been at the place we are now where only a few very well off Americans have complete freedom. Everyone else has limitations that even our parents did not have. Ironically it is this tiny minority of well off individuals who are absolutely happy with having less government in their lives since that means they can pretty much scam the system and rob everyone else of their rights.
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    GeorgeR right t... October 01, 2009 12:02:48 (edited)
    GeorgeR
    Well said and so right. They don't want regulation of business so that business is free to regulate us. The hell with that shit!

    PS I have blocked that jerk because he is a troll and an annoyance.
  • Alex GeorgeR October 01, 2009 22:04:03
    Alex
    How can businesses force to you purchase their goods?
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