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Did you know that Mexican and African Americans had close historical ties?

PLANETEATER 2008/06/16 16:15:24
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Before African-Americans join in with racists who who call Mexican people "illegal aliens" they need to read this article on the history of Mexican and Black unity.

There are of course, many angles from which to view the escalating immigration debate. Mexican immigrants, who constitute the largest share of the undocumented, have a unique history with the African population inside the United States. As the Black community weighs-in on this very contentious issue, it becomes necessary for us (both black and brown) to review the history that we share. However, before reviewing our history together, I need to say unequivocally that the U.S. seizure of more than half of Mexico’s territory in 1848 netted Washington more than 80% of Mexico’s mineral wealth and was a criminal act. And that if Mexico today still included California and Texas, she would possess more oil than Saudi Arabia and have sufficient economic infrastructure to employ all of her people.

When Mexican people say that “the border crossed us, we did not cross the border,” they speak the truth, and more black people (most of whom are not strangers to oppression, exploitation, domination and exclusion) need to appreciate that. It has been said that for most of the 19th century, Mexican immigrants were more highly regarded by African Americans, than any other immigrant group. What may account for this, at least in part, is the enormous if not pivotal role undertaken by black fighters in the war to secure Mexican independence from Spain and abolish slavery. Unfortunately, many of us repeat the falsehoods of our adversaries and have forgotten our special relationship with Mexican and Indigenous peoples. It is time that our memories be restored and that the naysayers and nativist negroes among us either put up or shut up. What follows is the little known history of Mexico serving as a refuge for fugitive slaves and a provider of job opportunities for blacks emigrating from the U.S. to Mexico.

Mexico Rejected Fugitive Slave Extradition Treaties

From the very beginning of his Texas colonization scheme, a determined and deceitful Stephen Austin sought to have Mexican officials acquiesce to the settlement of slave-owning whites into the territory. It was generally acknowledged that the people and government of Mexico abhorred slavery and were determined to prohibit its practice within the Mexican republic. Beginning in 1822, at least 20,000 Anglos, many with their slave property, settled into Texas. Jared Groce, one of the first of Stephen Austin’s Texas settlers that year, arrived with 90 enslaved Africans. The Mexican Federal Law of July 13, 1824 clearly favored and promoted the emancipation of slaves. Mexico had even stipulated that it was prepared to compensate North American owners of fugitive slaves. Determined instead to have things their way, Anglos began to press for an extradition treaty which would require Mexico to return fugitive slaves.



From 1825 until the end of the Civil War in 1865, Mexican authorities continuously thwarted attempts by slave-holding Texas settlers, to conclude fugitive slave extradition treaties between the two parties. During this period of extremely tense relations between the two governments, Mexico consistently repudiated and forbade the institution of slavery in its territory, while U.S. officials and Texas slave-owners continuously sought ways to circumvent Mexican law. The Mexican authorities thwarted repeated attempts by slave-holding Texas settlers, to conclude fugitive slave extradition treaties between the two parties.



In 1826 the Committee of Foreign Relations of the Mexican Chamber of Deputies refused to compromise on the issue of fugitive slaves and defended the right of enslaved Africans to liberate themselves. Mexican government officials cited “the inalienable right which the Author of nature has conceded to him (meaning enslaved persons).”

Congress member Erasmo Seguin from Texas commented that the Congress was “resolved to decree the perpetual extinction in the Republic of commerce and traffic in slaves, and that their introduction into our territory should not be permitted under any pretext."



Again, in October 1828 the Mexican Senate rejected 14 articles of a newly-proposed treaty and harshly criticized article 33, stating “it would be most extraordinary that in a treaty between two free republics slavery should be encouraged by obliging ours to deliver up fugitive slaves to their merciless and barbarous masters of North America.”

Reporting on the growing number of Anglo settlers in Texas, Mexican General Teran reported “most of them have slaves, and these slaves are beginning to learn the favorable intent of Mexican law to their unfortunate condition and are becoming restless under their yokes …” General Teran went on to describe the cruelty meted out by masters to restless slaves; “they extract their teeth, set on the dogs to tear them in pieces, the most lenient being he who but flogs his slaves until they are flayed.”

On September 15, 1829 Afro-Mexican President Vicente Guerrero signed a decree banning slavery in the Mexican Republic. Yielding to appeals from panicked settlers and Mexican collaborators who saw Mexico benefiting economically from the Anglo presence, Guerrero exempted Texas from the prohibition on the introduction of slaves into the republic, on December 2nd. Several months later, the Mexican government severely restricted Anglo immigration and banned the introduction of slaves into the republic.

Undeterred, the Anglos succeeded in negotiating a new treaty with Mexico in 1831, which included article 34, which called for pursuit and reclamation of fugitive slaves. After considerable wrangling between the Mexican Chamber of Deputies and Senate, article 34 was removed from the treaty. Also, by 1831 it became apparent through debate within the Mexican Senate that the government’s welcoming of fugitive slaves was not completely altruistic. Some Mexican officials, fearful of U.S. military intervention, had began to see it as wise to encourage the development of runaway slave colonies along the Northern border as a way to lessen the threat posed by the U.S. As historian Rosalie Schwartz put it, many Mexican officials “reasoned, these fugitives, choosing between liberty under the Mexican government and bondage in the United States, would fight to protect their Mexican freedom more vigorously than any mercenaries.” As the interests of Mexican officials and U.S. abolitionists coincided during the early 1830’s, a modest number of former slaves established themselves in Texas and fared well during the period.



In 1836, after the fall of the Alamo and its slave-owning or pro-slavery leaders, such as William Travis, Jim Bowie and Davy Crockett, Mexican forces were defeated and an independent Texas was eventually annexed by the United States. However, before the expulsion of Mexican forces from Texas, Brigadier General Jose Urrea evicted scores of illegally-settled plantation owners, liberated slaves, and in many instances, granted them on-the-spot titles to the land they had worked. Oddly enough, many black people call for “forty acres and a mule” – a reference to Union General Sherman’s Special Field Order 15 and General Howard’s Circular 13, which made some land available to former slaves. But what one never hears are references to Mexican General Jose Urrea and the land titles that he and his men granted to former Texas slaves, following the defeat of the Alamo, a generation before the “Civil War.”

Even after the loss of Texas, Mexican officials refused to formally acknowledge Texas independence on the grounds that it “would be equivalent to the sanction and recognition of slavery.” After Texas independence the slave population mushroomed and the number of runaways across the South Texas–North Mexico border, increased. In 1842 Mexico’s Constitutional Congress reasserted the nation’s commitment to fugitive slaves. In 1847, 38,753 slaves and 102,961 whites were listed in the first official Texas census. In 1850, in a new treaty accord with the United States, Mexico again refused to provide for the return of fugitive slaves.

The slave institution in Texas was continuously undermined by defiant Tejanos (Mexicans in Texas) who took great risks and invested enormous resources toward facilitating the escape of enslaved Africans. The Texas to Mexico routes to freedom constituted major unacknowledged extensions of the “Underground Railroad.” Tejanos were variously accused of “tampering with slave property,” “consorting with blacks” and stirring up among the slave population “a spirit of insubordination.”

Plantation owners in Central Texas adopted various resolutions aimed at preventing Mexicans from aiding the slave population. Whites in Guadalupe County prohibited Mexican “peons” from entering the county and anyone from conducting business or interacting with enslaved persons without authorization from the owners. Bexar County whites suggested that ”Mexican strangers entering from San Antonio register at the mayor’s office and give an account of themselves and their business.” Delegates to a convention in Gonzales resolved that ”counties should organize vigilance committees to prosecute persons tampering with slaves” and that all citizens and slaveholders were to endeavor to prevent Mexicans from communicating with blacks. Whites in Austin decreed that “all transient Mexicans should be warned to leave within ten days, that all remaining should be forcibly expelled unless their good character and good behavior were substantiated by responsible American citizens” and that “Mexicans should no longer be employed and their presence in the area should be discouraged.” In Matagorda County, all Mexicans were driven out under the bogus claim that they were wandering, indigent sub-humans who “have no fixed domicile, but hang around the plantations, taking the likeliest negro girls for wives … they often steal horses, and these girls too, and endeavor to run them to Mexico.”



By the year 1855, the estimates were that as many as 4000 to 5000 formerly enslaved Africans had escaped to Mexico. Slaveholders became so alarmed at this trend, that they requested and received, approximately 1/5th of the standing U.S army which was deployed along the Texas-Mexico border in a vain effort to stem the flow of runaways. Defiant Mexicans stood their ground, refused to return runaways, continued supporting slave uprisings and providing assistance to escaping slaves. In the words of Felix Haywood, a Texas slave, whose experience is recalled in The Slave Narratives of Texas, “Sometimes someone would come along and try to get us to run up north and be free. We used to laugh at that. There was no reason to run up north. All we had to do was walk, but walk south and we’d be free as soon as we crossed the Rio Grande.”

What a Difference a Border Made

1857 was a year whose profound irony made it one of the most interesting. 1857 was the year that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Dred Scott, an enslaved African who had sued for his freedom, on the grounds that his owner had forfeited any claim to him, after taking him into a free state. Ironically 1857 was the same year that the Mexican Congress adopted Article 13 declaring that an enslaved person was free the moment he set foot on Mexican soil.

Mexico as a Provider of Job Opportunities for African Americans
During the 1890’s, hundreds of black migrants fed-up with slave-like conditions and segregation, left Alabama for Mexico and established ten large colonies. Shortly thereafter, during the period of the Mexican Revolution, large numbers of black people migrated from New Orleans to Tampico, Mexico as the oil industry prospered. These Africans in Mexico established branches of Marcus Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association. One of the black oil workers who came to Tampico stated, “there is no race prejudice, everyone is treated according to his abilities.” During the same period, black heavyweight champion Jack Johnson asserted that Mexico was “willing not only to give us the privileges of Mexican citizenship, but was also willing to champion our cause.”

Juan Uribe, a major Mexican official, visiting Los Angeles in 1919, was quoted as saying, “ My only regret is that it is not physically possible to immediately transport several million African Americans to my beloved Mexico, where the north yields her riches as nowhere else and where people are not disturbed by artificial standards of race or color.” Similarly, African American immigrant Theodore Troy said, “I am going to a land where freedom and opportunity beckon me as well as every other man, woman and child of dark skin. In this land there are no Jim Crow laws to fetter me; I am not denied opportunity because of the color of my skin and wonderful undeveloped resources of a country smiled upon by God beckon my genius on to their development.” A black colony which included fifty families, developed fruit orchards and engaged in cattle raising. It established itself in Baja, California, in the Santa Clara and Vallecitos Valleys situated between Ensenada and Tecate, approximately thirty miles south of San Diego and lasted into the 1960’s.



Not to be overlooked is the enormous success of the Negro Baseball Leagues in Mexico during the 1930’s and 1940’s. Black ball players together with 4-500 family members seeking relief from racism in the U.S. and segregated institutions, were hosted in Mexico by generally respectful competitors and admiring fans. One competitor in particular, Ray Dandridge played for 18 years in Mexico, before Jackie Robinson gained admission into U.S. major league baseball. Also, from the 1930’s to the 1960’s, major Mexican muralists, such as Diego Rivera, David Siqueiros and Jose Clemente Orozco invited prominent African American artists such as Hale Woodruff, John Biggers, Elizabeth Catlett and Charles White to the Mexican Art School where they developed an art style which helped them to connect images, more effectively, to ethnic and class struggle.

Of course there are many more historical intersections where Mexican and African people cooperated with each other. A few examples were the solidarity between the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC)/Black Panther Party and Brown Berets; SNCC and the Alianza Federal de Pueblos Libres and El Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Atzlan (MEChA) and the Black Student Union (BSU). Mack Lyons, a black member of the United Farm Workers Union’s National Executive, negotiated its contract with Coca Cola, which owns Minute Maid and sizeable Florida orange groves. In Los Angeles, during the 90’s, black and brown students recognizing common history and mutual interests, formed the African and Latino Youth Summit (ALYS).

Admittedly, Vicente Fox is no Vicente Guerrero. The Mexico of today is profoundly different from the refuge that once welcomed fugitive slaves, or land of opportunity that embraced African American job-seekers; yet, its beautiful history of support, for African Americans in need of allies, cannot be erased. It might prove useful to see the relationship between black and brown people as similar to the bond between a man and woman. It is beautiful most of the time, but there are moments when it is tested and may become strained. When this happens one or both must give more and work to increase or renew trust.

Pass this material on to others. The black or brown reader of this piece should now know that the best of our history together, as black and brown people, speaks to the necessity of collaborating during the worst of times. A wise people are a grateful people, and never content themselves with recalling and celebrating their legendary alliance with an important neighbor. Instead, they press forward, fully aware that mutually-supportive relationships are still possible and necessary.
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  • TornAsunder 2013/01/20 06:53:12
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    TornAsunder
    I know the Mexican governments stance on slavery was only as a result of anglo-settlers moving into the reigion that is now Texas. Mexicans believed that if they could entice the slaves to escape into Mexico it would hurt the plantation owners ability to prosper, and they would pack up and leave. Of course the Mexican's viewpoint is that they were doing "the right thing", but their motives were opposite.
    I cannot care less about Mexico claiming rights to Texas and the American southwest. They lament that they would be the largest oil producers in the world had the U.S. not gotten those lands, well, nobody knew, or even cared about oil in those times. That arguement is moot. I'm sure the Russians regret selling the Alaska territory to the U.S. as well, due to the oil and mineral deposits found since.....
  • rwayne72160 2009/08/01 04:18:00
    This is a bunch of crap. We "procured" this land and it belongs to us.
    rwayne72160
    This is just more left wing anti-white bullshit.
  • UrbanHillbilly 2009/07/20 08:16:57
    This is a bunch of crap. We "procured" this land and it belongs to us.
    UrbanHillbilly
    +1
    Seldom have I read such a sellective view of history. This type of propaganda is exactly why I would see fewer Mexicans in the United States.
  • PLANETE... UrbanHi... 2009/07/20 16:44:34
    PLANETEATER
    It's only "selective" in your eyes because it flies in the face of the white supremacist company line. It is THAT line which is revisionist and "selective".
  • UrbanHi... PLANETE... 2009/07/20 21:13:20
    UrbanHillbilly
    +1
    By calling the official history of Texas as "white supremacist company line" that is revisionist and selective, you indict the entire United States. I will not accept such an argument.
  • PLANETE... UrbanHi... 2009/07/21 01:34:28
    PLANETEATER
    So?
  • UrbanHi... PLANETE... 2009/07/21 04:52:33
    UrbanHillbilly
    So.
  • PLANETE... UrbanHi... 2009/07/21 13:13:32
    PLANETEATER
    No one gives a shit what you accept.
  • DutchSavage 2009/04/22 06:03:31
    Undecided
    DutchSavage
    +1
    Well if you look at the human condition of mass-retardation. Some Mexicans had black slaves, native tribes had blacks slaves. Groups of Mexicans helped Americans find and helped us kill Native Americans, Natives, Whites, Mexicans and African-Americans all fought for the south. Some even fought to help us beat the Mexicans in the Mexican-American war. We can all sit here and point fingers and blame who ever for whatever but it really doesn't matter in the end does it? We're all the same, ignorant, greedy, stupid human beings on planet earth. Some can deny it but they're usually worse.
  • johnny2bad 2009/04/04 21:47:09
    WOW! I didn't know this history. It goes to show how decietful our government...
    johnny2bad
    +1
    That was such great and informative article. Thank you Planeteater for sharing this information with me!
  • Sarah 2009/03/27 22:41:55
    This is a bunch of crap. We "procured" this land and it belongs to us.
    Sarah
    +2
    Illegal is illegal.
  • PLANETE... Sarah 2009/03/28 02:45:09
    PLANETEATER
    +3
    According to whom?
  • Sarah PLANETE... 2009/04/04 03:01:09
    Sarah
    +2
    The laws. Slavery was legal at one point too. That doesn't mean it was right. People decided that the law needed to be changed so it the Constitution was amended. That's not happening today. People are here illegally and rather than try and change the laws, government is merely choosing to look the other way. It's still illegal.
  • PLANETE... Sarah 2009/04/04 03:52:37
    PLANETEATER
    +3
    I don't give a rats ass about what the crooks in Washington consider 'legal' or 'illegal'. Especially when they make "laws" on stolen land.
  • RAVEN W... PLANETE... 2009/04/05 15:48:55
    RAVEN WANTS HER ACCOUNT DELETED ;)
    +1
    That's right Planet, tell it like it is ;-)
  • UrbanHi... PLANETE... 2009/07/20 21:21:02
    UrbanHillbilly
    +1
    The "crooks in Washington" have been turning a blind eye to illegal immigration, because monied intrists desire cheap labor to undermine the wage base. Your declaration of "stolen land" is a declaration to try and "take it back." That attitude explains the deep racism among Hispanics against English speakers in California and other SW states. This type of thing leads only to violence.
  • PLANETE... UrbanHi... 2009/07/21 01:37:24
    PLANETEATER
    It took violence to steal it from them so as the bible says "AS THOU HAST DONE, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head." OBADIAH 1:15
  • UrbanHi... PLANETE... 2009/07/21 04:55:18
    UrbanHillbilly
    Whatever.
  • TornAsu... PLANETE... 2013/01/20 07:01:18
    TornAsunder
    Spoils of war......should have fought harder. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how EVERY people have claimed their land, even Mexicans. Trust me, human history goes back a LONG time, and I can guarantee you that current day Mexicans were not the original occupants of Mexico. Your indigent peoples killed, enslaved, slaughtered and pushed out the native populations before you.
  • PLANETE... TornAsu... 2013/04/02 23:26:06 (edited)
    PLANETEATER
    Liar liar pants on fire. Do not portend to project white people's inherent desire to steal, murder and pillage out of greed and hate onto the indigenous peoples. Even Christopher Columbus was shocked at the passivity and docile nature of the indigenous people. Despite the fact that whites looked weird to them they still tried to be friendly and courteous to their unexpected guests. How were they repaid? By getting slaughtered, raped, diseased and robbed by the savage, blood thirsty greedy brute beast European Conquistadors. I know white people's history I've studied it RELIGIOUSLY for over 20 years in school and on my own.
  • TornAsu... PLANETE... 2013/09/17 03:06:01
    TornAsunder
    If you read what I wrote, and fully comprehended what I said, you would see that I said that EVERY culture has conquered and enslaved and acted barbarically toward other groups in the past (and present). This is FACT, whether you like to admit it or not, white people aren't the only people to gain lands this way. You are extremely naive if you believe this, or you are just a bigot. Oh, and if I were an indigenous person witnessing a massive ship land on my shore, seeing people that didn't look like me coming ashore dressed in weird clothing and wearing plate armor and chain mail while carrying swords made of steel, I would be pretty docile too, especially considering the technology I had to fight back with. They were more curious than anything, and Columbus wasn't there to slaughter the natives, I believe those orders came from the English, French and Spanish royalty once the realized the abundance of resources the New World had.
  • Michael 2009/03/27 10:54:57
  • skull 2008/11/24 23:47:31
    Undecided
    skull
    Must be American to work , I love Mexican history and it people . I also love my Country They have a lot of resources and Mexico like oil . The people must make there Goverment act right. Black Americans have there own problems and this country ,and some would leave if they had a Country to go to.
  • YourObamaUpdate.com 2008/11/24 23:27:06
    Undecided
    YourObamaUpdate.com
  • Vegas911 2008/11/24 20:44:42
    WOW! I didn't know this history. It goes to show how decietful our government...
    Vegas911
    +3
    Thank you for posting this!!!!! I think it should serve as a testiment to the fact that we have all arrived on these shores as immagrents......even the caucasions..... the Europeans STOLE every inch of this county from it's native Americans and Mexicans.....we are all in debt to them.....and should act accordingly!!!!
  • Janice 2008/11/24 19:25:04
  • troy82 - Christ is returnin... 2008/09/30 23:32:34
    Undecided
    troy82 - Christ is returning, Today!
    Does this comment that gonzo left for me sound like he is a racist?
    "JOHN MCCAIN IS DEPERATE AND HIS VP SPEAKS IN TONGUES WHICH SCARES EVERY NORMAL AMERICAN. THIS IS MY ANSWER AND IF YOU CANNOT BRING ANYTHING ELSE GET BACK ON THE PORCH…"
  • Anouser 2008/06/20 07:37:34 (edited)
    Undecided
    Anouser
    +3
    Interesting at the first sentence of this article..."Before African-Americans join in with racists who who call Mexican people "illegal aliens" they need to read this article on the history of Mexican and Black unity." FYI, not all blacks hate Mexicans and there's Mexicans out there with some other Latinos that hate blacks as well. I have worked with many Latinos at times, and the racial hatred they have for blacks is unbearable at times. In fact, not some Latinos don't even desire to mention the close historical ties they have with blacks. You can just "google" of how some of the black community actually reaches out towards the Latino community; however, no one reaches back.

    Edit: Nice article on the history.
  • PLANETE... Anouser 2008/06/20 18:49:13
    PLANETEATER
    +4
    Where did I say that ALL blacks hate Mexicans? Where did I say that blacks hate Mexicans AT ALL? I've seen personally blacks that parrot the racist rhetoric of the dominant culture in regards to "illegal aliens" coming from Mexico and others parts of central and north central America to get jobs that they(blacks) feel they should be the first to get. I work with Latinos myself and have discussed this history with them and some of them are so shocked and angry that their parents and teachers did not teach them this. I tell them that this history was/is suppressed by design by our mutual enemies so that we will always fight and kill one another. Matter of fact the term "Latino" is an inaccurate description of their heritage because "Latin" is a dead language. They are actually a mixture of Mayan, Aztec and Olmec "Indians" and Africans, in other words the indigenous people. They also have European (Spaniard) blood in them because of the Conquistadors raping of the native population and misegenation, and that's why alot of "Latinos" are fair skinned. I give them literature and websites that discuss this history. Minister Tony Muhammad west coast representative of the Nation of Islam works with the black and "Lartino" gangs on the west coast along with the Christian pastors and churches out ther...""
    Where did I say that ALL blacks hate Mexicans? Where did I say that blacks hate Mexicans AT ALL? I've seen personally blacks that parrot the racist rhetoric of the dominant culture in regards to "illegal aliens" coming from Mexico and others parts of central and north central America to get jobs that they(blacks) feel they should be the first to get. I work with Latinos myself and have discussed this history with them and some of them are so shocked and angry that their parents and teachers did not teach them this. I tell them that this history was/is suppressed by design by our mutual enemies so that we will always fight and kill one another. Matter of fact the term "Latino" is an inaccurate description of their heritage because "Latin" is a dead language. They are actually a mixture of Mayan, Aztec and Olmec "Indians" and Africans, in other words the indigenous people. They also have European (Spaniard) blood in them because of the Conquistadors raping of the native population and misegenation, and that's why alot of "Latinos" are fair skinned. I give them literature and websites that discuss this history. Minister Tony Muhammad west coast representative of the Nation of Islam works with the black and "Lartino" gangs on the west coast along with the Christian pastors and churches out there because they are killing each other crazy out there, sometimes instigated by the police. The Nation of Islam has a lot of members from the so-called Latino community including Bro. Abel Muhammad who is of Mexican descent I believe and is the "Latino" representative of the Nation of Islam.
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  • Anouser PLANETE... 2008/06/21 02:09:01
    Anouser
    +1
    "Before African-Americans join in with racists who who call Mexican people "illegal aliens" they need to read this article on the history of Mexican and Black unity."

    I tend to look at words and go by them. When not addressing the word, "some" or "many", it tends to be read as "all". If one is racist, obviously they must dislike or hate another group of people that's different to them.
  • PLANETE... Anouser 2008/06/21 05:21:17
    PLANETEATER
    +5
    That's because like many on this sight you want to find fault with what I say out of some prejudiced disposition, so you nick-pick and jump when you PERCEIVE that I'm talking about YOU instead of discussing the positive aspects of the article. Also you ignored the "before" which means ANY African American who MIGHT have a predisposition to take the side of the dominant culture in regards to immigration. So any black people who do not take the side of the dominant culture SHOULD ignore the first statement if it doesn't apply to them. Seems that like all you want to do is create conflict where in all actuality there is none. So I would appreciate that you go away from here and look for someone else to stir up mischief if you do not want to add something of substance.
  • Anouser PLANETE... 2008/06/21 12:18:35
    Anouser
    +2


    It has nothing to do with being prejudice, it's about word choices. There's really no sense of getting offended if you're not guilty of charging the statement towards all black Americans. Just, maybe next time, check out what you've written before posting. It's all about your words and people will percieve your views based on them.
  • PLANETE... Anouser 2008/06/21 16:54:04
    PLANETEATER
    +3
    If I need your advice, I'll ask for it. You seem to be the one that's offended, because you are the ONLY one dragging this on and on and on and posting insult adds. One last time, if you don't have anything of substance to add to this discussion by way of adding to the history above, go find someone else's comment to take offense to.
  • Anouser PLANETE... 2008/06/22 00:40:28
    Anouser
    +1
    I'm not offended, believe me. I am just explaining my answer on that I'm not attacking you but rather on why you're incorrect on your words. Why can't you just learn better word choices instead of getting your feathers ruffled? It's not a big deal.
  • PLANETE... Anouser 2008/06/22 00:49:07
    PLANETEATER
    +4
    If it wasn't a big deal you wouldn't have said anything about my alleged "incorrectness on my words".
  • Anouser PLANETE... 2008/06/22 00:50:18
    Anouser
    +1
    Now, you're acting like a child. I correct incorrectness when I see it. That's all.
  • PLANETE... Anouser 2008/06/22 00:56:05
    PLANETEATER
    +4
    That makes you annoying, arrogant and self-righteous, because what I said is not incorrect. And now that you've ignored my warnings to discuss the article, it's time for you to leave my crib.
  • RAVEN W... PLANETE... 2008/06/25 22:00:15
    RAVEN WANTS HER ACCOUNT DELETED ;)
    +3
    You just gotta know that I was not offended in the least by this article JM or your words. Keep spreading the news ;-)
  • PLANETE... RAVEN W... 2008/06/25 22:39:12
    PLANETEATER
    +3
    I know you down with the struggle. Allies forever!!
  • RAVEN W... PLANETE... 2008/06/25 22:47:11

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