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PEEPL 2011/05/24 12:00:10
Government Waste,. It's terrible.
That sounds like the right amount.
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Here is an article about that.. though there are other articles about it.
http://roach1958.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/price-obamacare-mea...
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  • dave b 2011/05/24 12:39:07 (edited)
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    dave b
    +7
    How could anyone think that ObamaKare wouldnt grow the government with even more useless, inept agencies?

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  • Bob DiN SAILOR 2011/05/25 22:58:09
    Bob DiN
    +1
    This law is nothing but Marxist oppression.
  • What Would Jesus Do 2011/05/24 14:25:31
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    What Would Jesus Do
    +3
    159 new govt agencies and how many new Czars that make 100's thousand of dollars a year pd by the working class. No wonder they say they are creating jobs.
  • RogerRover 2011/05/24 14:17:33
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    RogerRover
    +3
    We need LESS government...not more.
  • John® 2011/05/24 14:12:14
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    John®
    +3
    Sounds good. With all the money on the trees, it's peanuts. OMG, did I say peanuts?
  • chief 00 2011/05/24 13:52:55
    That sounds like the right amount.
    chief 00
    Evidence please???
  • SAILOR chief 00 2011/05/24 16:47:42
    SAILOR
    +1
    Read Public Law: 111–148 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and Public Law 111-152 Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.
    These are the laws signed by Obama that makes up the health care law. In it you will find all the agencies, bureaucracies and departments that are required for this law.
  • den 2011/05/24 13:49:57
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    den
    +3
    and at a time when we should shed federal jobs the idiot increases them.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2011/05/24 13:46:25
    That sounds like the right amount.
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    New government agencies equal new public sector jobs and the CBO reports these expenditures are far outweighed by the reduction in government spending by the passing of the ACA. What's your point?
  • John® FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 14:13:31
    John®
    +2
    Creating government jobs is like burning the money instead of using it.
  • FAWKES'... John® 2011/05/24 14:24:47
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Did you not read the CBO report on the issue?
  • John® FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 14:34:37
    John®
    No, why?
  • FAWKES'... John® 2011/05/24 14:42:19
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    You might look into it. The CBO is the non-partisan federal agency that projects costs and expenditure as they relate to the federal budget..
  • John® FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 15:26:32
    John®
    Non-partisan? Most often this is code for hard left leaning. But I take pot luck.
  • FAWKES'... John® 2011/05/24 15:59:17
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    All they do is run numbers. They could care less about policy. Neither the Right or Left would let them get away with being incorrect.
  • John® FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 16:16:57
    John®
    Hope it's the way you say.
  • SAILOR FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 16:50:25
    SAILOR
    +1
    The new government agencies will create more jobs and yet will reduce government spending? Sounds like a progressive plan. Spend more money to spend less.
  • FAWKES'... SAILOR 2011/05/24 16:59:50
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Review CBO report, then comment.
  • SAILOR FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 17:05:39
    SAILOR
    +1
    Which CBO report are you referring to, The one from late 2009 before the bill was past or the report from earlier this year that states the savings and expense of these health laws are way over the top.
    Why else has the Obama administration given out thousands of exemptions to companies and unions that do not want to participate.
  • FAWKES'... SAILOR 2011/05/24 17:22:31
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    STOP WATCHING FOX. No one is exempt other than the standard exemptions included in the ACA that apply to everyone. You are talking about WAIVERS. The waivers DO NOT make a company exempt from the ACA, they only waive the mandatory limit of $750,000 in situations where an employer is already providing 'mini-med' or other limited benefit plans. The WAVIERS are only temporary.

    The two CBO reports show first, the cost savings and second the cost to repeal it.

    Who's chalkboard did you get your information from?
  • SAILOR FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 17:34:26
    SAILOR
    Okay, Why is the Obama administration giving out so many "waivers". If this law is so great it should apply to every one.
  • FAWKES'... SAILOR 2011/05/24 17:52:54
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    You don't understand what the waivers are at all do you? They are not waivers from participation in the ACA. They are only waivers of the LIMIT stated in the ACA saying that under certain circumstances, an employers may provide a lower limit of coverage. They are only granted to employers who are already providing healthcare on a limited benefit basis to employees who would normally not have health care at all, ie, part-time employees, low wage employees, etc. Nothing in these waivers is construed as exemption from the ACA.
  • SAILOR FAWKES'... 2011/05/24 17:57:37
    SAILOR
    Why shouldn't this law apply to all? Why is there waivers for any?
  • FAWKES'... SAILOR 2011/05/24 18:00:40 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    I answered that in the post above. "They are only granted to employers who are already providing healthcare on a limited benefit basis to employees who would normally not have health care at all"

    Another example: Employers do not have to include Part-Time (less than 30 hrs/wk) under the ACA. Some employers choose to.
  • Space Invader 2011/05/24 13:34:47
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    Space Invader
    +4
    So that's where all the" Stimulus" money went! To create Government jobs!
    I get it now! Duh; why didn't I think of that?
    Take the taxpayers money under false pretenses to create private sector jobs, and create instead MORE government jobs!!!!
    The Unions must love you Mr Oba...wait a minute..THEY ALREADY DO!!
    What a piece of work..... government jobs unions love oba wait minute piece work Obama and our money
  • 56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA... 2011/05/24 13:22:34
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +6
    plus or minus 247 new taxes!
    he swore our taxes were not going to go up if you made under $250,000.00
    The Liar ~ in Chief!
  • Curmudgeon 2011/05/24 13:18:15
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    Curmudgeon
    +5
    Sounds about right, if you want to make universal health care you have to be AWARE of the honeycomb network of agencies that spout like weeds all around.

    As a Canadian that isn't too fond of over the top socialist health care, I know all about the perils of speedy reforms in health care without proper checks. Ideally reforms should be done slower so you actually know what you are getting into. Although, this is just me talking.
  • Not stupid 2011/05/24 13:00:41
    That sounds like the right amount.
    Not stupid
    +1
    Timely. I mean the article the article is about is over a year old.

    Why didn't you just post a link to the actual op-ed rather than an article about the op-ed piece?

    Couple of things about the op-ed.

    1. Obamacare does not create Orwellian boards that ration health-care. It just doesn't. It does set up boards to monitor what works and what doesn't, which seems like a darn good idea to me. The boards do not make mandates, but do provide statistics. For example, if angioplasty is more effective than vascular stenting, it would publish those results.

    2. The law was passed in March 2010. And I have not seen 159 new government agencies spring up since... I would love to see their research, but the "Republican Study Committee" doesn't seem to post their data. Too much time focusing on the real studies of important research like "Congratulating North Central College on winning the 2009 NCAA Division III men’s cross country championship " and "H.Res. 969 - Congratulating Flint native, University of Alabama Sophomore and running back Mark Ingram" and "H.Res. 991 - Commending the University of Virginia men's soccer team for winning the 2009 Division I NCAA National Championship"

    3. I do love how the article says "Republicans are championing reform with no new bureaucratic boards ...


    Timely. I mean the article the article is about is over a year old.

    Why didn't you just post a link to the actual op-ed rather than an article about the op-ed piece?

    Couple of things about the op-ed.

    1. Obamacare does not create Orwellian boards that ration health-care. It just doesn't. It does set up boards to monitor what works and what doesn't, which seems like a darn good idea to me. The boards do not make mandates, but do provide statistics. For example, if angioplasty is more effective than vascular stenting, it would publish those results.

    2. The law was passed in March 2010. And I have not seen 159 new government agencies spring up since... I would love to see their research, but the "Republican Study Committee" doesn't seem to post their data. Too much time focusing on the real studies of important research like "Congratulating North Central College on winning the 2009 NCAA Division III men’s cross country championship " and "H.Res. 969 - Congratulating Flint native, University of Alabama Sophomore and running back Mark Ingram" and "H.Res. 991 - Commending the University of Virginia men's soccer team for winning the 2009 Division I NCAA National Championship"

    3. I do love how the article says "Republicans are championing reform with no new bureaucratic boards making medical decisions, no $500 billion cuts to Medicare"
    But that is a lie. The republican used the EXACT same cuts to medicare to justify the cost savings the EXACT SAME way in their bill. :)
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonat...
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4...
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  • dave b 2011/05/24 12:39:07 (edited)
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    dave b
    +7
    How could anyone think that ObamaKare wouldnt grow the government with even more useless, inept agencies?
  • MichaelRigby 2011/05/24 12:37:08
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    MichaelRigby
    +4
    I wouldn't be surprised, bureaucracy seems the main aim of government these days. Mind you it is producing more jobs lol. Besides you can always believe America has a revenue problem and not a spending problem, so here comes the tax man to rectify that little problem.
  • susan Michael... 2011/05/24 15:38:49
    susan
    +1
    More jobs in government, but not more gross domestic product. Government jobs do not produce anything, they just spend.
  • Michael... susan 2011/05/24 16:11:58
    MichaelRigby
    Well they do produce consumers with funds which is all good for big business who are undermining democracy, policy and are the main source of corruption in government. So it does have purpose.
  • susan Michael... 2011/05/24 18:31:20 (edited)
    susan
    It doesn't matter how much "funds" the consumer has if the private sector is not producing what they want or need to buy, and if the private sector worker is not working and paying taxes to support the government worker. If you don't like "big business" or any private business (most of which are small and medium businesses that create most of the jobs), wait until you have to work for "big government!"

    See cartoon below - so very true!
  • Michael... susan 2011/05/24 18:59:55
    MichaelRigby
    Big business or multi nationals own most of everything from banks, houses, cars, oil, media, electronics, foods, all named brands, power, water. Any small business that is successful will always be bought out. Even if you buy a pxt of biscuits you will see the company is owned by a multi national. These run organizations like ALEC in the US that actually write a lot of US laws. Companies like Compal and Quanta actually make most of the worlds laptops if you buy HP or Dell or Acer or whoever you can bet its a Compal or Quanta laptop really. Relativly few multi nationals own the majority of business even if the business is allowed to keep the original name.
  • susan Michael... 2011/05/24 19:46:47
    susan
    Not true. I don't know where you live or where you get your information, but you appear to be totally ignorant of the multitude of small businesses out there. These giant multinationals do control a large part of the products you buy, but the businesses across the nation that build our homes, that do the construction work on our schools and office buildings, that make the brick, block, doors and windows and other products that go into that construction, that actually grow our food rather an sell it, and the multitude of small retail and restaurants that exist in every community, etc. are the small and medium businesses that employ a lot of us.

    Yes, some of us get big enough to get bought out by a larger firm, and many of us were destroyed by the big banks and their conspiracies in 2008, but keep it in perspective.
  • Daniel 2011/05/24 12:24:55
    Government Waste,. It's terrible.
    Daniel
    +7
    What do you expect? expect
  • John® Daniel 2011/05/24 14:17:13
  • moonchild 2011/05/24 12:15:25
    That sounds like the right amount.
    moonchild
    I don't see why this is a source to trust in the first place... it's a blog that gives no sources to back their numbers.
  • Arel moonchild 2011/05/24 12:55:50
    Arel
    +1
    http://www.carolinapatriots.o...

    Check out this address and it lists them all.........
  • moonchild Arel 2011/05/24 15:07:32
    moonchild
    +1
    Huh- I see a lot of grant programs.. in fact most of them seem to be grant programs.. I don't know that I'd consider them 'agencies'.. but that is just me.
  • Arel moonchild 2011/05/24 15:36:15
    Arel
    +1
    New boards, programs and bureaucracies means more government employees.......and don't forget that doesn't include all the new IRS employees that will be enforcing Obamacare. It also gives the Dept. of Health and Human Services more power over the health care of American citizens. Just what we need more government interference........

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