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Jews arrive in the Land of Israel from Egypt in 1200 BCE (3,200 years ago), and anoint the first king, Saul, in 1020 BCE. After being exiled by the Babylonians, the Jews again return to their Homeland in 538 BCE. In 63 BCE Rome takes control of Israel and 100 years later, in 66 CE the Jews revolt against Rome. The Temple (the retaining wall is is now known as the "Wailing Wall" or the "Kotel") is destroyed in 70 CE. In 132 CE the second Jewish revolt begins. This four year revolt is the most effective revolt against the Roman Empire in history! Learn more about it in the video below!



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  • Cat 2012/08/06 08:09:12 (edited)
    Yes
    Cat
    Israel first became a landed nation-state on the western shores of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, under Joshua. Prior to that time the twelve tribes had spent forty years in exile in the Sinai Dessert, Most frequently near the oasis of Kadesh Barnea as guests of the Ammonites. This was after about three centuries of indentured slavery as brick makers in the Goshen region of Egypt. The Hebrews had been welcomed into Egypt, during a deadly drought,by one of the original twelve brothers, Joseph, who had earned a high ranking position within the Egyptian government.Joseph was one of the twelve sons (tribes) of Israel/Jacob son of Isaaac, son of Abraham/Abram from Ur of the Chaldes (Mesopotamia).



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  • Tim Upham 2012/07/02 19:56:31
    Yes
    Tim Upham
    I would be awfully stupid, if I did not.
  • Marianne 2012/06/09 08:05:48
    Yes
    Marianne
    +1
    According to Bible, Torah and Qur'an, Abraham settled in Canaan (probably in the earlier part of the second millenium BCE), although figures and interpretations are often contradictory. Furthermore, the literary compositions are unreliable for historical reconstruction.
  • Charles E 2012/06/07 21:04:30
    Yes
    Charles E
    They passed through several times over the centuries, set up multiple governments, repeatedly attempted to exterminate the local populations.

    And why did you start with the exodus from Egypt rather than the initial migration of Abraham from what is now Southern Iraq?
  • Rod 2012/06/07 20:10:14
    No
    Rod
    +2
    I'm old but even that is before my time.
  • Marianne Rod 2012/06/17 06:30:55
    Marianne
    +1
    Thank you for bringing some humour ... Thinking of "once upon a time".
  • TerryAgee 2012/06/07 17:37:51
    No
    TerryAgee
    All I know is that there were 12 settled jewish tribes. Not a state, maybe a federation. Yay or nay?
  • EfiC TerryAgee 2012/06/07 22:02:40
    EfiC
    +3
    There were no fewer than 3 Jewish states/kingdoms in ancient Israeli history. Israel, then Israel and Judah, followed by just Judah. Then, later, Judea. All Jewish kingdoms.
  • TerryAgee EfiC 2012/06/07 23:38:06
    TerryAgee
    With gratitude, I appreciate that you took the time to add to my knowledge today. Good job!
  • historian 2012/06/07 03:21:14
    No
    historian
    It wasn't the "State of Israel". It was a collection of lands controlled by the various tribes. Over time they decided they wanted a king to rule over them like other nations had, and became a kingdom. They later split into two kingdoms. They were driven out because of their rebellion to God, and allowed, under a prophet, to reenter their promised land. They were again sent into exile for rebelling against God. Again and again. They rejected the Son, and those who reject the Son also reject the Father, and were again driven into exile and their temple destroyed in 70A.D. A remnant will see the truth and turn to the Son throughout, until the return of Jesus, at which time the final remnant will be gathered from the four corners of the world. The false teachings of Christian-Zionists claim that in 1948 the establishment of the modern state called Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy, but it isn't biblical. They teach for truth the doctrines of men. They fail to explain how there are as many "Jews" living outside of "Israel" as inside. They fail to consider the meddling, backroom deals, and political intrigue involved in creating this modern day "Israel", and also fail to explain how it is that they somehow are "returning to the promised land" while they are still in r...
    It wasn't the "State of Israel". It was a collection of lands controlled by the various tribes. Over time they decided they wanted a king to rule over them like other nations had, and became a kingdom. They later split into two kingdoms. They were driven out because of their rebellion to God, and allowed, under a prophet, to reenter their promised land. They were again sent into exile for rebelling against God. Again and again. They rejected the Son, and those who reject the Son also reject the Father, and were again driven into exile and their temple destroyed in 70A.D. A remnant will see the truth and turn to the Son throughout, until the return of Jesus, at which time the final remnant will be gathered from the four corners of the world. The false teachings of Christian-Zionists claim that in 1948 the establishment of the modern state called Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy, but it isn't biblical. They teach for truth the doctrines of men. They fail to explain how there are as many "Jews" living outside of "Israel" as inside. They fail to consider the meddling, backroom deals, and political intrigue involved in creating this modern day "Israel", and also fail to explain how it is that they somehow are "returning to the promised land" while they are still in rebellion. They fail to explain how the people Jesus referred to as the "synagogue of Satan", "children of Satan", etc are now to be blessed and receive a promised land despite still being in rebellion. They fail to explain how it is that the New Testament explains the promises to the seed of Abraham being fulfilled in Jesus and believers by faith in the Son, not by bloodlines of a "divine super-race". It's a crying shame that so many are sacrificing their blood and children to what is defined as the spirit of antichrist by the Apostle John.
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  • EfiC historian 2012/06/07 22:04:05
    EfiC
    +4
    It was the Kingdom of Israel, that's pretty damn close to the State of Israel. Similar borders. Same capital. Same national language. Same state religion. 3000 years apart.
  • JMCC 2012/06/07 01:30:58
    Yes
    JMCC
    +2
    Wasn't it aready occupied by several tribes including the Philistines?
  • Charles E JMCC 2012/06/07 21:08:49
    Charles E
    +2
    Yes! You have been reading history books instead of Israeli propaganda.
  • JMCC Charles E 2012/06/07 21:10:59
  • EfiC JMCC 2012/06/07 22:06:49
    EfiC
    +2
    ummm no. The Philistines occupied what is today known as Gaza, as well as Ashkelon and Ashdod which are today Hebrew cities. Actually King David led an Israeli army from his land into Gaza after the Philistines raided Israel and stole the Tabernacle. Many battles were fought along the border between Phillistine and Israel. By the way, the Hebrew for Philistines, Plishtim, is linked to the word "invaders," because the Phillistines were originally from Greek islands and invaded Gaza. That's where the Palestinians took their names, from invaders. And they don't even have anny connection to the ancient Phillistines. The Palestinians are the descendents of far later Arab invaders.
  • JMCC EfiC 2012/06/07 22:16:21
    JMCC
    It wasn't an empty land though was it?

    Joshua 11:16-23

    New International Version (NIV)

    16 So Joshua took this entire land: the hill country, all the Negev, the whole region of Goshen, the western foothills, the Arabah and the mountains of Israel with their foothills, 17 from Mount Halak, which rises toward Seir, to Baal Gad in the Valley of Lebanon below Mount Hermon. He captured all their kings and put them to death. 18 Joshua waged war against all these kings for a long time. 19 Except for the Hivites living in Gibeon, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle. 20 For it was the Lord himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

    21 At that time Joshua went and destroyed the Anakites from the hill country: from Hebron, Debir and Anab, from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua totally destroyed them and their towns. 22 No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive.

    23 So Joshua took the entire land, just as the Lord had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war.
  • Step Up... JMCC 2012/06/08 16:45:48
    +1
    Does it really matter if it was empty? I'm sure you don't hold that against the Romans, or the Sumerians, or the Greeks or the Persians... or the British or the Americans or the French. Why hold it against the Jews? There is not one tribe that was overtaken by the Jews that is still in existence today. If there was, they might be justified in asking for the land, but the oldest tribe who last controlled the land of Israel is the Jews. They are the most justified to control the land today.
  • JMCC Step Up... 2012/06/08 16:56:21
    JMCC
    +1
    I apologise if I gave the impression that I hold anything against anyone, as I do not, what I do object to is the presentation of facts to fit a cause.

    The Native Americans believe that two men arguing over who owns the land is like two dogs arguing over who owns the dog.

    As for the oldest claimant over the control of Israel, surely that would be someone of the line of David would it not, and just as likely to be Christian?
  • dlsofsetx 2012/06/06 22:14:38
    Yes
    dlsofsetx
    It's in the Bible.
  • YeahISaidIt 2012/06/06 20:21:08
    No
    YeahISaidIt
    +3
    Don't send me anything else about Israel. I don't agree with them nor support them.
  • Clay Slayer 2012/06/06 19:37:03
    Yes
    Clay Slayer
    +1
    However the stories of Exile from Egypt , and their trecks in the desert are just fairy tales,.,, There are no historic records of these events outside the bible
  • kudabux 2012/06/06 19:14:45
    No
    kudabux
    So, Jews are really Egyptians?
  • Clay Sl... kudabux 2012/06/06 19:41:06
    Clay Slayer
    Original Jews were Black.....and originated in Africa....

    Some Jewish communities in Africa are among the oldest in the world, dating back more than 2700 years. African Jews have ethnic and religious diversity and richness. African Jewish communities include:

    Scattered African groups who have not maintained contact with the wider Jewish community from ancient times, but who assert descent from ancient Israel or other connections to Judaism. These include:
    Groups who observe Jewish rituals, or rituals bearing recognizable resemblance to Judaism. Although there are a number of such groups, the majority of world Jewry recognize only the Beta Israel of Ethiopia as historically Jewish.
    Groups such as the Lemba, many of whom practice Christianity but have preserved some rituals and customs believed to be Jewish in origin. This group has also been found to have genetic traits that other Jewish population groups possess, thereby bolstering their claims to Jewish ancestry.
    Sephardi Jews and MizraŠł•i Jews living in North Africa, including Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan and Egypt. The vast majority of them have emigrated, chiefly to Israel and France, with substantial numbers also emigrating to Brazil, Canada and the USA. Small but active communities remain in Morocco and Tunisia.
  • Dee Clay Sl... 2012/06/07 04:16:38
    Dee
    Well, if you want to use that logic, the first man and woman were black and originated from Africa.
    History also changes with new discoveries... As far fetched as it sounds, it does.
  • Clay Sl... Dee 2012/06/07 14:33:30
    Clay Slayer
    If you are refering to Adam and Eve of the bible.. Priests and preachers have now come forward and admitted that is a myth

    In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.

    Evolutionists have said that Africa was the cradle of civilization, Has nothing to do with the bible...

    When Charles Darwin first published his theory that African was the "cradle of humankind," it provoked outrage. Part of this was simply religious opposition to the idea of evolution. But another part of it was racist ideology-Europeans simply found the idea that their ancestors came from black Africa to be disgusting. But, in fact, Africa is the birth of humankind, the source of our mythological Eden. And it is quite likely the birthplace of the most important technology developed in early human prehistory. Without those earliest developments, we would not live the way we do.

    No one is quite certain when or how we evolved. Humans today are the only surviving species of "hominids"-bipedal creature with enlarged brains. However, at one time, there were several species of hominids. Our earliest known ancestors are called australopithecines; early remains, dating back 1.5-4 million years ago, were found in Ethiopia and S...
    If you are refering to Adam and Eve of the bible.. Priests and preachers have now come forward and admitted that is a myth

    In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.

    Evolutionists have said that Africa was the cradle of civilization, Has nothing to do with the bible...

    When Charles Darwin first published his theory that African was the "cradle of humankind," it provoked outrage. Part of this was simply religious opposition to the idea of evolution. But another part of it was racist ideology-Europeans simply found the idea that their ancestors came from black Africa to be disgusting. But, in fact, Africa is the birth of humankind, the source of our mythological Eden. And it is quite likely the birthplace of the most important technology developed in early human prehistory. Without those earliest developments, we would not live the way we do.

    No one is quite certain when or how we evolved. Humans today are the only surviving species of "hominids"-bipedal creature with enlarged brains. However, at one time, there were several species of hominids. Our earliest known ancestors are called australopithecines; early remains, dating back 1.5-4 million years ago, were found in Ethiopia and South Africa as early as 1925. Most of the evidence for "early humans" relied on fragments but in 1998, scientists discovered a complete skeleton near Johannesburg that dated to about 3.5 million years ago. There was a "robust" lineage and a "gracile" lineage. The "gracile" lineage evolved into the genus we called "homo"-with a larger cranium and a change in the use of hands and teeth. As early as 2.5 million years ago, this "gracile" group began making stone tools, which they could use for cutting and scraping. This could possibly be our earliest known ancestors
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  • Dee Clay Sl... 2012/06/08 06:07:56
    Dee
    I am an agnostic, so I was most definitely not referring to Adam and Eve, nor Adam and Steve (:

    Priest and preachers.. So many miracles are nowadays easily explained by modern medicine (from spiritualistic trance to .. Well, if I say it, ppl will say I'm blaspheming :)))
    All I am pointing out is that we can never really be sure what went down. New discoveries will change history facts as we know them again and again..
  • Clay Sl... Dee 2012/06/08 14:34:02
    Clay Slayer
    You said the Key word there Dee,, FACTS,, We have anthropology, archeology, science that either proves with facts, or dispproves with the lack of facts... Religion supplies no facts for proof of there assertions....
  • Dee Clay Sl... 2012/06/08 22:33:53
    Dee
    Yeap, but as all things, science can be wrong as well.
  • Clay Sl... Dee 2012/06/09 13:38:31
    Clay Slayer
    However what is wrong will remain a theory untill enough facts are provided to prove it true..... Unlike religion,, where there are no facts to obtain.....
  • michael Clay Sl... 2012/06/09 19:53:56
    michael
    +1
    Also rules to live life by.If there was no religion then ANYTHING would and could happen and it wasn't I who said that but the 14th Dalai Lama.If there where no rules then someone could go out and kill your family without any fear of the law because you see many of our secular laws in America today are built upon religous traditions and ideas. For example, many of the Laws of Moses ( their are 613 of them) are mostly about human conduct towards your fellow man and maintaining one's moral purity on this earth. Also in the Koran, many of the saying of the Prophet are also about duties to one's family and cummunity. The main problem I have with people who CHOSE to focus on religeon is some people tend to "forget COMMON SENSE" about human nature and focus on simply judging other people whom 9 times out of 10 usaully ALREADY dislike hence they are looking for ways to critize them publically.
  • Clay Sl... michael 2012/06/09 21:34:54
    Clay Slayer
    That is a false premise... perpetuated by those that would enslave the human race with the use of religion... With all the religion in the world look at the mess the most religious countries are in..... Secular nations are far better off than the religious nations..How a man should treat another man is common sense...Dont need a diety to tell them that, However Society dictates morals and actions... Depending on where you are born on what is moral and what isnt......
  • michael Clay Sl... 2012/06/10 02:20:34
    michael
    And what you are offering the world is ALSO a false premise which is "championed" by people who would prevent anyone from enjoying the freedom of religion. You seem to totally ignore the fact that religion has ALWAYS existed here on planet in various forms-you forget that mankind has ALWAYS had this need to beleave in something LARGER than himself becuase there are things he cannot explain in the universe. It was that rational need to beleave in the unknown. So you are " chasing " a fantasy in beleaving that you can somehow totally isolate society from religeon-that cannot be done especially in a democratic society like ours. Do you really want to return to the days of my grandfather in New York City of the 1920s that signs like "No dogs, Catholics, Jews allowed" on various shores and shops??? Why do you beleave anti-semitism and anti-catholicism is acceptable in America of the 21st century??? Do you like the ideas of Adolf Hitler towards religous minorities??? Do you seek an America without any churches??? Do you feel threatened by someone simply sitting down quitely reading the Torah, Holy Bible, or the Koran in the public library??? I remind you there is a difference between someone like myself WANTING the freedom of religion and to worship my God without being oppressed by anyone AND someone who seeks to FORCE their views on someone else-but it is a very fine line between them..
  • Clay Sl... michael 2012/06/10 12:58:50
    Clay Slayer
    And what we are saying is Keep your worship of your Diety where it belongs, In your home and your Church, outside of that keep your mouth shut about it, because we dont want to hear it.. And you will not hear a squeek out of anyone....
  • michael Clay Sl... 2012/06/10 16:53:48
    michael
    so Christians and Jews as well as Muslims don't have the freedom of speech and only you do???
    While I do agree with you , the people need to be more respective of all of people who are different than themselves
  • Clay Sl... michael 2012/06/10 22:22:06
    Clay Slayer
    There is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech.... An there is nothing in Freedom of speech that denies you your religion.. Your freedoms end where mine begin.... That is the point... I dont care how many Boogy men you worship, just keep it to yourself....If they keep their religion where it belongs I dont have anything to say.....

    I am using YOU collectively, not directed at you directly...
  • michael Clay Sl... 2012/06/10 23:37:28
    michael
    I am really disappointed that you don't see the difference between those like myself wwho want religous freedom in the USA and those other nutcases who want to shove thier reilgion down your throat. Do you realize my brother was an athiest ( he passes away a gew years back) but even allowed for the idea of religous freedom??? I have a freind of mine who is homosexual and he was very depressed about Proposition 8 passage in California but even he was ashamed by the reaction of the crowds --namely the burning of the Morman churchs by the crowds. You need to be more open mind when it comes to religion freedom-I agree it is afine a line between one's reiguous duties and openly verbally attacking people
  • michael Dee 2012/06/09 19:39:11
    michael
    If you want to see a miracles then witness a parent's love for their child. Why do mothers frequently hold their children's hands in the park or crossing the street??? Why do people frequently will ask someone in an accident "Are you okay??" ???
    It is those basic feelings that are the real miracles in life are so deeply driven into our minds that after thousands of year of human evolution on this planet that now it is second nature to us. I remind you my Tom cat has no feelings at all for all the kittens he created but all rational humans do. ( however I do love my cat-even though he is evil sometimes) Neither science nor secular philosphy can really explain those feelings but all religions can---my old Jewish babysitter use the tell me when I was 8 years old "The world is saved by the breathe of school children". As someone who trys ( but fails ) to be "Good Catholic" I was taught to respect life. I know many of many of Muslims friends say it " God is Love" ' So you ask what is the miracle I say it is the irrational thing called Love.
  • Dee michael 2012/06/09 23:47:04
    Dee
    +1
    I agree. When I said "miracles", I was referring to things like appearence of death as a result of medicine that was unknown to humanity at the time and various others, thus proclaimed miracles.
    The only true miracle is the miracle of love, that feeling that drives you insane and makes you move mountains..
    I tend not to judge ppl, everyone is free to do as they please with their lives, and that makes things so much easier and happier..
    And religion.. I respect other people's choice, but I myself am not a believer. I believe in live and let live and make love, not war :)
  • michael Clay Sl... 2012/06/09 19:22:49
    michael
    you are ignoring the importance of Homo erectus pekinensis (Peking Man ) and Homo erectus erectus ( Java man) both of which prove that evolution wasn't moving a a single path towards the creation of the humans. That implication of the idea of progress in humans is unstable and undefendable in any philosphical debate about human nature.The species you are talking about died out before the these other species grew in Asia and they wasn't that far behind australopithecines and had larger brain mass in their skulls.as well as simple physical strength.
    Also I must admit I struggle with this part of the debate becuase IF man was created in Africa ( and science says so) then why would the first REAL civilization be in Mesopotamia AND not Africa given the fact that there was no real transportion system.Furthermore why was it in Mesopotamia where suddenly man began to create a system of writing and organized a society with a clear division of labour but not in Africa do anyone see a civilization like that existed in Mesopotamia. Remenber that the Mesopotamia civilization is about 500 years ahead of Egyptian civilization which can be tracted back to shortly after North Africa became a desert ( it ONCE was a swamp lands after the last Great Ice Age). I have profs who really struggled with this problem and simply put they had no real answer for me.
  • Clay Sl... michael 2012/06/10 13:26:58
    Clay Slayer
    Egypt was on the African continent, Mesopotamia, was connected by a land brige and was also connected to The contenent of Africa.. Not a big walk from one to the other...Mesopotamia would be the Yellow in the middle of Africa and Asia...Note where Israel is located... Not far..So it is quite possible that the African Jews of that time, traveled and made another civilization in that area...

    Because Mesopotamia was concidered a Civilization, does not mean that is where it started... There is Prehistory to conscider...

    Prehistory is a term often used to describe the period before written history. The early human migration[35] patterns in the Lower Paleolithic saw Homo erectus spread across Eurasia. The controlled use of fire occurred about 800 thousand years ago in the Middle Paleolithic. Near 250 thousand years ago, Homo sapiens evolves in Africa.

    These acient people scattered and began CIVILIAZATIONAL Areas....

    http://www.worldatlas.com/web...

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