Too many people look for the simplicity of an event where a big, long, complex process is the actuality.
Yes, Bachmann is right the Founding Fathers initiated the end of legal, chattel slavery in America. Slavery has always been and continues to be a smirch on human civilizations. What many are calling the "Anglosphere" has since the 18th century significantly curtailed slavery, and our Founders were an important part of that movement.
Founding Fathers may not have been there when the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. They did, however, variously found free states and respect states rights enough to allow these states to differ with the slave states, speak out against slavery, free their own slaves, and end importation of more slaves.
Simple people may only see simple events, but most things of consequence are actually big, long, complex processes.
Did the Founding Fathers End Slavery?
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2011/01/25 17:00:00
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Tea Party favorite (and possible 2012 presidential nominee?) Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) knows her base: speaking at an Iowan’s for Tax Relief event recently she made sure to talk up America's Founding Fathers. It's a rousing speech, well-delivered, but did she go too far in her enthusiasm?
Bachmann began by linking presumably 19th- and 20th-century immigrants back to the traditions and values of the Founding Fathers. But then she overreaches a bit, pointing out that while slavery was a "scourge," it was also "extinguished" by the Founding Fathers - John Quincy Adams, in particular.
As the website Talking Points Memo notes, Adams was indeed an opponent of slavery, but he's neither considered one of the Founding Fathers, nor did he live long enough to see slavery abolished with the Emancipation Proclamation. Adams died in 1848, while Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.
"Our ancestors, when they arrived on these shores, just think of it: they spoke different languages, they had different cultures, different backgrounds, different traditions. But unbelievably, they all bound themselves to this tradition, this covenant that was contained in the Mayflower Compact, this covenant that we re-published in the Declaration of Independence.
"How unique in all of the world, that one nation that was the resting point from people groups all across the world. It didn't matter the color of their skin, it didn't matter their language, it didn't matter their economic status. It didn't matter that they descended from nobility or whether they have a higher class or a lower class. It made no difference. Once you got here, we were all the same. Isn't that remarkable?
"It is absolutely remarkable, out of that, 'e pluribus unum,' out of many, one. That is the greatness, the essence of this nation.
"And we know we weren't perfect. We know there was slavery, it was still tolerated when the nation began. We know that was an evil. And it was a scourge and a blot, a stain upon our history. We also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. And I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbears who worked tirelessly - men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country. And we have them to thank for that."
(the comments above begin at around the 9:00 minute mark)
Bachmann began by linking presumably 19th- and 20th-century immigrants back to the traditions and values of the Founding Fathers. But then she overreaches a bit, pointing out that while slavery was a "scourge," it was also "extinguished" by the Founding Fathers - John Quincy Adams, in particular.
As the website Talking Points Memo notes, Adams was indeed an opponent of slavery, but he's neither considered one of the Founding Fathers, nor did he live long enough to see slavery abolished with the Emancipation Proclamation. Adams died in 1848, while Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.
"Our ancestors, when they arrived on these shores, just think of it: they spoke different languages, they had different cultures, different backgrounds, different traditions. But unbelievably, they all bound themselves to this tradition, this covenant that was contained in the Mayflower Compact, this covenant that we re-published in the Declaration of Independence.
"How unique in all of the world, that one nation that was the resting point from people groups all across the world. It didn't matter the color of their skin, it didn't matter their language, it didn't matter their economic status. It didn't matter that they descended from nobility or whether they have a higher class or a lower class. It made no difference. Once you got here, we were all the same. Isn't that remarkable?
"It is absolutely remarkable, out of that, 'e pluribus unum,' out of many, one. That is the greatness, the essence of this nation.
"And we know we weren't perfect. We know there was slavery, it was still tolerated when the nation began. We know that was an evil. And it was a scourge and a blot, a stain upon our history. We also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. And I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbears who worked tirelessly - men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country. And we have them to thank for that."
(the comments above begin at around the 9:00 minute mark)
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A single flame is extinguished with a single blow. Decades of flames take many blows.
Slavery was complicated, so much so that it took decades to change. To claim it wasn't complicated is about as silly as not realizing the erosion began a layer at a time long before 1863.
Only a rabid moron like Chris Matthews would pounce on a single word to decry an entire complicated process. But sometimes when one is a moron, they have to choose a battle they can at least wage where there is some expectation that others with even lower intelligence will follow.
You are welcome to your opinion. You are also welcome to write your opinon about Chris Matthews....on a blog that is directly pointed at Michelle Bachmann's statements. You can write about the price of wheat in China here, if you wish. It's a great country, and an open site.
But doing so - I would not expect people to change people's minds. This question is polling at 75% against....on a site where con's outnumber lib's by at least 2:1. That means that a poll of the general population on the same question would run over 85%.
But again.....you are absolutely welcome to your own opinion.
I couldn’t care less what the poll says, it doesn’t change my opinion. Everyone with an IQ over 50 knows that polls results can be skewed by manipulating question presentation. And, publicizing and encouraging the regurgitation of poll results is manipulation meant to foster a ‘herd mentality’. “75% think” or “85% think” is intended to manipulate those with low convictions so they will cow-tow to the perceived majority and join the herd. Moo.
Likewise Matthews and Olberman berate in the basest manner to appeal to low conviction cattle who feel safety in numbers and an aversion to researching facts themselves. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not playing coy but that you completely missed the rant about Bachmann and are honestly confused about the jump to MSNBC.
the 3/5ths compromise was because the south wanted more representation, not a crafty trick to later abolish slavery.
and what does women's suffrage have to do with anything? woman can be in politics now, so my job as a woman is to always agree with them?
The 3/5ths compromise worked both ways as any compromise would. Yes, it gave the Southern Democrats greater representation, it also gave them a greater tax burden because at that time it was a head tax versus the income tax that came later. Agreeing to count them in the human populace was the first step to recognizing them as part of the human populace rather than livestock. Yes it was crafty.
You're absolutely right though, you should never agree with anyone absolutely just because you share gender or any other likeness. My apologies if I inferred that. My comment came from disgust at the way conservative women are dissected, minimalized and dismissed by the hypocritical hate spewers on the left, but especially by other women.
the south wanted greater representation because they had a slavery-dependent economy, and they thought that would be threatened if they didn't have as much representation as the north, which did not completely rely on slaves and had abolitionist threatening the comfortable southern hierarchy. the south did not consider them anything other than livestock, only a convenience to gain representation. I'm from Texas and i wish this wasn't the case, but it is.
The movement for recognition as human beings began in the late 1600 by the Quakers an Menonites. It was called the "Society of Friends" and one of it's members was Ben Franklin. Thomas Paine was also involved with the Society as early as the 1770's, even publishing at risk on the subject. Alexander Hamilton was an activist with the NY Society in the early 1800s. John Jay & Aaron Burr were also with the Society. Abolishment did not happen by accident or quickly. It took decades of systematic moves to dismantle such an indoctrined practice. First by religious groups, then through Federalist planning by containing the spread, banning additional slaves, embargos on the slave ships and then through inducement, reassessment, economical benefit, proclamation, war and crop shifting.
So where was she blatantly wrong based on the names above involved in the fight for decades nearly a hundred years before success was finally achieved?
Again, blatantly wrong not so much because that implies an intent to mislead, but grammatically incorrect yes. Should have replaced 'until' with 'to see that' and like you stated, the intent would match the words. One word in a 14 minute speech though is not blatant disregard for the truth. However, it was enough to unhinge Chris Matthews.
I don't ever want to hear the black man say anything about whites again, ever.
Congress woman Michele Bachmann is powerful. She has my vote if she runs for
President.
He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in an other hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the LIBERTIES of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the LIVES of an other.
Known as the "anti-slavery clause", this section drafted by Thomas Jefferson was removed from the Declaration at the behest of representatives of Southern states.
As a member of the House during the 1830s and 1840s, former president John Quincy Adams worked tenaciously to help the abolitionists defeat the House Gag Rules, which sought to thwart anti-slavery petitions. Sure, Adams cannot to be considered a Founding Father in a technical sense, although his father was.
But that historical side note doesn't really matter to anyone except the vile haters on the left, who will seek out - or make up - anything they can to marginalize or, better yet, eviscerate their enemies. And make no mistake, the courageous Ms. Bachmann IS their enemy. And God bless her for it.
She got her her J.D. degree from Oral Roberts University and an LL.M. degree in tax law from the William & Mary Law School.
She went to work for the Internal Revenue Department, yup, taxes paid her salary.
She worked from 1988-1993 at which time she left her only real job to be a mother of her five children and 23 foster children which tax payers paid her to keep.
Bachmann is in joint ownership in a family farm that from 1995 through 2006, has received $251,973 in federal subsidies. This came from tax payer monies too.
So you see, as much as she says she wants to lower your taxes, she has, her whole working life, earned a damn good living from taking money from the American tax payer.
This woman lies so much about everything,she probably really does believe the founding fathers freed the slaves. She is truly pathetic.
Maybe you are not a christian, I don't think you know Him, if you did, you would never have posted this evil pic..............God have mercy, Lord have mercy on the foolishness of those who are blind. Those who are used by the enemy to try and bring down the good in You Oh Lord.
Whats funny is the reconstruction and the 14th amendment formalized this in the late 1860s, yet the race card gets played every day in America. Our spirit here is universal freedom and liberty, and this was right from the get go. Many slaves were freed and had hard but free lives before the 1860s in the northern states.
It was the Africans that took Africans out of the wilderness of Africa and gave the to the Dutch who sold them to the USA. There would be no significant importation of slaves without Africans betraying Africans to slavers. I'm sure Obama is descendant of Kenyans that sold their brothers to the dutch for money. He strikes me as the rat bastard type.
It is very, very PROGRESSIVE to try and destroy the image of the founding fathers. Those who do this are rat vermin seditionists and are enemies of freedom , liberty, god and country.
Do you think that African slave-catchers would risk life and limb in the jungles of Africa to catch slaves if there were not a line of boats manned by Europeans to buy them? Never. They were motivated by the Europeans posed on the coast to buy the captives.
These Africans were hunted and captured solely for the purpose of sale. And if the boats were not lined up at the docks and payment were not there, not a single human would have been delivered to the coast.
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Why must you look at the Founding Fathers with rose tinted glasses? Can you not see them as humans - men who did some great things as well as some not so great things? Thomas Jefferson was the principle author of one the greatest documents in history. Thomas Jefferson also banged away for years on his one of his slaves – Sally Hemings. Must you deny the latter to appreciate the former? Not me.
Yours truly,
A rat vermin seditionist
You are so stupid about "American History!" I am convinced that you had your brain affected by your Slave Owning Ancestors that most likely drank too many "Mint Juleps" before you were born!
Some of our early founders believed that only "large property owners" should enjoy the freedoms that are guaranteed by our constitution! Alexander Hamilton believed that we should become a "Monarchy" and that George Washington should become our first "KING!"
Many of our founding fathers were directly related to the large land owning "Aristocracy" in Feudal Europe, and like them were SNOBS and class conscious about being inherently better than those that were commoners that did not own large land grants!
This snobbery translated itself to accepting bigotry with regard to all people, that were
not born into their "Aristocratic class."