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Did Principal 'Cross the Line' for Giving Graduation Speech in Spanish?

SodaHead News 2011/06/29 11:00:00
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A high school principal's job is to make sure that all of his/her charges are well-educated, that they understand what is expected of them and that they are equipped with the proper tools to make it in our modern society.

That's what Crespin Esquivel said he was trying to do a few weeks ago when he offered congratulations to the class of 2011 at Whittell High School in Zephyr Cove, Nevada. With only 30 students, the seniors were a tight-knit group and Esquivel wanted to send them off with an encouraging speech.

“Class of 2011, I want to congratulate you for all your accomplishments this year,” said first-year principal Esquivel, who then repeated his message in Spanish to make sure his Spanish-speaking parents and students – how are the second largest group at the school – understood him and felt comfortable.

One local woman did not take kindly to the bilingual effort, dashing off a letter to the editor at the local newspaper saying Esquivel had "crossed the line" and was "inappropriate" in comments that "took away the recognition the student's deserved."

With kudos from other local citizens for his efforts, Esquivel said he was just trying to do what's right for his school's families and that he'll probably give a command performance next year.
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  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/29 21:03:35
    DFM302
    What I said involved requirements. It involved doing something far weaker than what we have now.

    Now you say simplifying and streamlining. That different that weakening. Anything can be made more efficient without making it weaker.

    Your argument about alcohol and the reasons for prohibition in effect and it's repeal was absolutely wrong.
  • Zak Smith DFM302 2011/06/29 21:49:11
    Zak Smith
    +1
    Fair enough, streamlining instead of weakening is a better way of stating it. If we can agree on that I believe we no longer need to debate the issue. Streamlining would make it easier for immigrants to enter the country legally, therefore reducing the number of illegals in the long run.

    The prohibition argument was not wrong. The reason alcohol could not be regulated on that level was that it created too many criminals and over extended law enforcement agencies. By repealing it the number of criminals was reduced and therefore alcohol could be properly regulated.
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/30 12:35:54
    DFM302
    Streamlining might make the process quicker but you are still promoting weakening my changing the rules. You don't reduce the number of criminals by making something that is a crime not a crime.

    That still wasn't the reason why alcohol was made illegal.
  • spaceninja Zak Smith 2011/06/29 17:46:37
    spaceninja
    I agree. the only difference is those immigrants didn't just walk/swim here. at least there was some kind of bulwark. this is happening much too fast, in a bureaucracy mired in political correctness.
  • Zak Smith spaceninja 2011/06/29 19:07:22
    Zak Smith
    +1
    Their method of travel has little to do with the issue. We share a boarder with Mexico. No matter what laws we enact or walls we build, they will still come. Instead let's embrace them. Allow them to become citizens legally, find work, and pay their taxes. If we continue the course we are on currently we will just be paying for their education, welfare, incarcerations, and deportations with no hope of an end.
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/29 19:28:30
    DFM302
    If we placed armed guards (military) on the border and do to those criminals sneaking into our house what I would do to one sneaking into my personal home, they would quit coming unless they are so stupid they can't learn what would happen to them.

    "Allow them to become citizens legally, find work, and pay their taxes". In case you weren't aware, we don't have jobs for the citizens we already have.
  • Zak Smith DFM302 2011/06/29 19:43:03
    Zak Smith
    +1
    Deploy our troops along our boarder and shoot to kill unarmed civilians!? That would be an incredible cost and huge human rights violations. If that is really your answer I can see we have no more reason to discuss further.

    If the illegals can find work then they would find work legally, too. They take the jobs natural born citizens wouldn't take any way. How many natural born citizens do you see in the fields harvesting crops by hand or digging ditches for construction?
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/29 20:14:16
    DFM302
    It's called shooting an intruder in our "house" just like I would shoot anyone that came into my personal house and wouldn't wait to determine if they were armed or not.

    The reason the citizens won't take certain jobs is they don't pay as much as many can get sitting on their asses doing nothing. If you cut out the free handouts to the citizens unwilling to do those jobs, you would save money. The ones who truly want to work would take them if they knew they would no longer get a check each month if they didn't. For those who only say they want to work but really don't, you would also save money as they would also no longer get a check.
  • Zak Smith DFM302 2011/06/29 20:27:11
    Zak Smith
    +1
    I'm all for ending "Citizen's Welfare", but at the same time you need to end corporate and agricultural welfare. Stop subsidizing fossil fuels, stop giving farmers money NOT to grow crops, stop bailing out failed industries. If you do that then you will create jobs. No fossil fuel subsidies equals new jobs in alternative energy fields. No farm crop subsidies equals more land being used for production, which in turn creates jobs and exports while lowering the cost of food. No bail outs means that poorly run businesses actually fail and make room in the industry for small entrepreneurs that will manage their businesses better.

    With all these new jobs, you should have no problem getting work for the immigrants.
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/29 20:35:57
    DFM302
    Do you honestly believe that if the taxes on corporations or famers was higher that it wouldn't affect the middle class more. Whether you realize it or not, it's the consumers that actually pay those higher taxes in the form of higher prices. While the money may come from the checkbook of the corporations or farmers, it is funded by higher prices to consumers.

    "No farm crop subsidies equals more land being used for production, which in turn creates jobs and exports while lowering the cost of food".

    Do you really believe that? If so, then you have no clue as to one concept in economics called the Law of Diminishing Returns. Look it up. While lower prices will increase demand, it will only do so to a certain point. At that point, price is no longer relevant because people won't buy it anyway which hurts the farmers.
  • Zak Smith DFM302 2011/06/29 20:42:12
    Zak Smith
    +1
    I never said anything about taxes on corporations. I said stop subsidizing them. Let the market take care of itself.

    And I do understand the Law of Diminishing Returns. Let the market find that point, not the government. The government is terrible at economics.
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/06/29 20:49:37
    DFM302
    If the costs to corporations goes up for any reason, the costs are transferred to the consumer. Why is that so hard to understand?

    The market is finding the point.
  • Zak Smith DFM302 2011/06/29 21:05:53
    Zak Smith
    +1
    Subsidies artificially reduce operating costs of firms. Therefore the cost to the consumer at the register is lower, but they pay higher taxes as an effect of the subsidy from the government. Doing away with the subsidy will lower taxes and raise the price at the register. Once that occurs the consumer will be able to make a realistic decision on the price of the product. If the firm is unable to reduce cost then the consumer will begin looking for an alternative that better suits their needs and funds. The market is not currently finding the equilibrium price of the supply and demand curves as the government is artificially injecting money into the equation.
  • DFM302 Zak Smith 2011/07/11 13:02:25
    DFM302
    Prices are lower because of them. However, not everyone who gets the lower prices pays the taxes that funds the subsidies. 47% don't pay the income taxes that fund them. They're getting the best of both. Lower prices and not having to pay what allows them to have lower prices. Make them pay their fair share and you have a valid argument.
  • Dancingintherain---BN-0 2011/06/29 15:33:56
    No
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +6
    He was simply trying to adress a larger audience. Calm down.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/29 15:37:31
    Nobamma
    +4
    BS, he was pandering.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/29 15:42:07
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +5
    "Pandering"? Really? He was being respectful of parents or grandparents who might not be fluent in English.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/29 15:44:21
    Nobamma
    +2
    pandering to illegals is what he was doing.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/29 15:46:22
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +4
    So speaking Spanish automaticly makes you an illegal alien? You need to work on your logic.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/29 15:53:49
    Nobamma
    +1
    Lets see, living in the country with kids who have been in school long enough to graduate from school and you still can not speak English.......Most likely an illegal since citizenship requires one to speak English.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/29 16:07:25
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +1
    Just because they can speak English, that doesn't mean that English is easy for them. They could have recived their citizenship, but but might not have needed English in their everyday lives, and therefore find it harder to understand. Perhapse they immigrated a long tome ago, but chose to live a more traditional life at home. Also, if the area had a large Hispanic population, it's very possible that some of the audience members were relatives who were visiting from Mexico.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/29 16:16:03
    Nobamma
    +1
    A lot of assumptions on your part. I live in an area with a huge hispanic population and I speak spanish....Funny thing is that the vast majority of non English speakers are illegals.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/29 16:21:19
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +2
    I simply gave a number of possible examples. You're the one making assumptions. I suppose you have gone around to each non-English speaker in your community and demanded to see their citizenship documents?
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/29 16:26:19
    Nobamma
    +1
    Dont have to. I can go to Home Depot or any of a number of day labor sites to see all the illegals I care to. Or watch the local schools get over run with anchor babies that my property taxes are paying for so they can run the Mexican flag up the school flagpoles.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/30 16:23:21
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    Now you're the one making assumptions.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/30 17:40:40
    Nobamma
    No, I am not. All of the items I posted are FACT.
  • Dancing... Nobamma 2011/06/30 17:46:27
    Dancingintherain---BN-0
    +1
    Do you have proof that the principal was "pandering to illegals"? No, you just assumed that he was. If this area has a large Hispanic population, there's more than likely going to be spanish speaking relatives visiting.
  • Nobamma Dancing... 2011/06/30 18:56:45
    Nobamma
    Are they Citizens of the US ? If so, why can they not understand basic English? If not, he is pandering.

    Just because some non English speakers show up is not justification to make a special allowance for them. When I travel abroad, I do not expect the locals to speak my native language.
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 17:36:59
    James
    +1
    Who said they had been here long enough? We had kids moving into our school district 1 month before graduation and they still graduated, did they speak English? No.
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 17:59:29
    Nobamma
    +1
    So your school just passes them along without completing the required coursework. You school is lazy .
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 18:07:19
    James
    +1
    Hm, did I say anything about coursework? Don't think so. Thanks for putting words in my mouth that wouldn't have even existed. :/
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 18:09:33
    Nobamma
    +1
    if they are passing them along without the required English, it is fact. Maybe you should get that into your head.
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 18:11:28
    James
    Maybe you should realize that what they do is put them in the "special" classes where they have teachers that speak Spanish and can help them complete the coursework so they can graduate.
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 18:16:21
    Nobamma
    +1
    ESL classes do not replace the required ENGLISH classes. You really want to debate this? My Mother is a high school principal so I know exactly what the requirements are.
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 18:19:35
    James
    Well maybe not in your school, but in our school it apparently did because they walked with us. As long as they are completing the English schoolwork, it doesn't matter if they can speak Spanish or English.
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 18:23:27
    Nobamma
    +1
    LOL, How can you complete English Coursework in Spanish. You school just passed them along which is fine since we waste enough money on illegals as it is.
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 18:27:55
    James
    You must not have understood what I meant when I said ""special" classes where they have teachers that speak Spanish and can help them complete the coursework." What I mean by that is down here when it's that far into the school year, they go ahead and put them in those classes with all their English coursework and the teacher then helps the student understand the coursework and helps them complete it. The teachers in these classes speak both English and Spanish.
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 18:34:35
    Nobamma
    +1
    You must not understand that one must be able to understand English to complete the work. Otherwise it is just Spanish.
  • James Nobamma 2011/06/29 18:35:59
    James
    You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to get at here....
  • Nobamma James 2011/06/29 18:39:18
    Nobamma
    +1
    What part of Texas are you in? I will post up the graduation requirements for that area.

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