
Did Newt Gingrich Win the First TV GOP Debate?
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2011/06/14 15:16:35
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In Manchester, N.H., seven of the Grand Old Party’s most promising gathered to face the nation and make their respective cases for why each is the best candidate to face (odds are) President Barack Obama in 2012.
For the most part, with the glaring exception of John King goading Tim Pawlenty into a one-on-one with Mitt Romney by jabbing at his recent “Obamney Care” comment, the candidates didn’t take shots at each other.
It’s hard to tell who won. Instead of actually debating, they took turns spinning each other around and taking blind aim at the Obama piñata.
For the most part, with the glaring exception of John King goading Tim Pawlenty into a one-on-one with Mitt Romney by jabbing at his recent “Obamney Care” comment, the candidates didn’t take shots at each other.
It’s hard to tell who won. Instead of actually debating, they took turns spinning each other around and taking blind aim at the Obama piñata.
Astoundingly, Newt Gingrich may have been the candidate that came out on top. He called out the CNN anchor for his questions, he cited particulars of certain past legislation and financial regulation. He made his stance on NASA and gay rights and the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
Former Bush 2 Chief of Staff Andy Card said Gingrich exceeded his expectations: “He opened right up by saying: 14 million jobs are lost, people are out of jobs, and we need a new president. That was the most succinct opening statement — I thought he did a good job,” Card said.
Do agree with Card? Did Gingrich redeem himself from last week and pull out the W?Top Opinion
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Grizzle 2011/06/14 20:45:20






















The Fed is absolutely 100% deserves a lot of blame for of our economic problems here in the US and around the world. Somebody needs to be banging the drum loud and often to wake up the masses.
Newt is not a criminal, Newt is a conservative hero for taking both houses of congress back from the democrats for the 1st time in forty years. Newt is a conservative hero for his 1994 Contract With America and following it. Newt is deserving a lot of credit for being a power player in creating Bill Clinton's strong economy and budget surplus. There is a lot of revisionist history going around about Newt because Newt probably has the best track record out there today for being effective conservative and following the constitution. Past results matter and liberals are terrified of Newt and that why they trash talk him so much
And, Newt has a terrible record of supporting real Constitutional policies, for example, his position regarding the sovereignty of the United States. Does Newt believe as our founders that we are a sovereign nation and should refuse any outside influence from other nations and not align ourselves with those countries whose political philosophies are at odds with those of the United States Constitution? Newt is a self-professed globalist. He is more concerned with the global world than with the interests of our sovereign nation. One piece of evidence against Speaker Gingrich is the fact that he is a member of the Council...
And, Newt has a terrible record of supporting real Constitutional policies, for example, his position regarding the sovereignty of the United States. Does Newt believe as our founders that we are a sovereign nation and should refuse any outside influence from other nations and not align ourselves with those countries whose political philosophies are at odds with those of the United States Constitution? Newt is a self-professed globalist. He is more concerned with the global world than with the interests of our sovereign nation. One piece of evidence against Speaker Gingrich is the fact that he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Newt’s Foreign policy positions can be exposed by the fact that the Congressman was “schooled” by Henry Kissinger. Henry Kissinger is an avowed globalist who believes that sovereign national boundaries should be abolished and the nation-state should be eradicated. Mr. Kissinger has influenced many political leaders throughout the decades of this country’s history. Many of those policies have been to the detriment to the United States and the American people. In The Economist, an article entitled “The Internationalists” states, “If . . . Clinton and Gingrich as good internationalists want to keep this isolationism in check, they have work to do in their own parties. Strange as it may seem in these days of loud ‘contrast politics,’ on this issue they are on the same side.” (March 11, 1995) When asked to summarily describe Newt Gingrich, former Secretary of State Warren Christopher answered “an internationalist”.
Newt also shows his true nature by disregarding the interests of the American public by supporting legislation like NAFTA and GATT. The former of which can now be shown to be the cause of thousands of American jobs moving overseas. Opponents of NAFTA warned that the result would be American corporations leaving the U.S. in order to avoid the regulation, overhead, and take advantage of the cheaper labor in order to increase their bottom line and profits.
How does former Speaker Gingrich stack up against the Constitution and our founder’s view of government? Once again he fails miserably. Mr. Gingrich said “I believe in a very strong central government. This is completely at odds regarding the Constitutional Republic form of government our founders handed down to us. Compare Newt’s statement with this quote from James Madison in The Federalist No. 45, Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered, Independent Journal Saturday, January 26, 1788:
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
Our founders did not advocate a “strong central government”, but rather a very limited government with multiple checks and balances with the majority of the decisions being made at the state level and rights being reserved to the States or to the people. The federal government was never to wield more power than the States or the people. In this point, once again Newt Gingrich reveals himself as a big government proponent, thereby nixing the very idea that he is a “conservative”.
How has Newt aligned himself in his associations in Congress? Did he align himself with genuine conservatives or others like himself? Truth is truly stranger than fiction. After a 10 year break from politics Dr. Ron Paul threw his hat in the ring to gain his current congressional seat. Dr. Paul may arguably be one of the staunchest defenders of the Constitution in our day. Judge Andrew Napolitano called him the “Thomas Jefferson of our day”. When Dr. Paul entered the race there was another Republican who ran for the same seat. Did Newt back Dr. Paul or the establishment lackey who ran against him in the primary? You can probably guess the answer to that question. He not only supported Dr. Paul’s opponent, but persuaded 50 of his congressional cohorts to also announce their support for Ron Paul’s adversary in the primary. Even President Bush came out in support of Dr. Paul’s political opponent at the request of Newt Gingrich. Newt better resembles a RINO rather than a Constitutional Conservative. He supported the illegal invasion of other sovereign nations and clearly Unconstitutional legislation like the Patriot Act, Enemy Detention and Prevention Act, etc.
There can be no doubt on where Newt Gingrich stands. He stands in opposition to our founders, he stands in opposition to our Constitution, and he stands in opposition to the safety, sovereignty, and welfare of the American people. Most importantly, he stands against everything that a genuine Constitutional conservative voter believes. He supports global governance more that American sovereignty. He supports legislation which increases the size and scope of government. He voted for legislation which sent thousands of American jobs overseas. He stood shoulder to shoulder with the opponent of a candidate who is a strict Constitutional conservative.
you made lot of drive by innuendo and accusation about Newt but you have fallen short of providing on the record facts such as names, places, dates, convictions etc. I guess what I’m saying is I’m not interested in having a long theoretic debate based on opinion – are you?
I have a few issues on your claims
• How is Newt against American sovereignty – stay out of theory please
• You said Newt’s a criminal – please back that up
• What part of the constitution are you referring to when you say GATT and NAFTA are unconstitutional?
• You say that Newt said “I believe in a very strong central government.” Do you have the link to the full speech so we both don’t misunderstand the proper context?
I don’t have a clue who am voting for but I know conservatives and the process will be better off with more conservative voices in the primary debate, not less.
ABO 2012
I feel strongly for Herman Cain; he should have been our first genuinely, 'black' president. He presents himself as a man of vision, honor and integrity, not a slick-talking poser like the joker in the White House presently.
1. Herman Cain. http://www.hermancain.com/
2. Michele Bachmann
3. Newt Gingrich (I expected Newt to shine in this forum)
4. Ron Paul (the debate on foreign policy ought to ruin his candidacy)
5. Mitt Romney
---Newt cannot be trusted to be a true conservative. He's utterly brilliant, but he carries that conceit with him. While he often mouths the proper words and phrases, and has a stunning command of the facts, he also has government *cures* for all that ails the economy. He once championed the horrendous "Cap and Trade" bill, which is nothing more than an enormous tax increase on energy, meant to address non-existent, man-caused global warming. That's Newt's fatal flaw.
---Herman Cain is a true leader, a highly successful captain of American industry. Herman Cain FIXES problems, with common sense conservative solutions. Herman can be trusted, and to me, that's HUGE!
http://www.hermancain.com/the...
---Michele Bachmann was also spectacular. Way to articulate the conservative message Representative Bachmann!
---Ron Paul spoke my mind on a litany of domestic issues. BUT he also blames America and Israel for Islamic terrorism. To me, that betrays some sort of mental illness. When you misidentify simple EVIL, you've ...
1. Herman Cain. http://www.hermancain.com/
2. Michele Bachmann
3. Newt Gingrich (I expected Newt to shine in this forum)
4. Ron Paul (the debate on foreign policy ought to ruin his candidacy)
5. Mitt Romney
---Newt cannot be trusted to be a true conservative. He's utterly brilliant, but he carries that conceit with him. While he often mouths the proper words and phrases, and has a stunning command of the facts, he also has government *cures* for all that ails the economy. He once championed the horrendous "Cap and Trade" bill, which is nothing more than an enormous tax increase on energy, meant to address non-existent, man-caused global warming. That's Newt's fatal flaw.
---Herman Cain is a true leader, a highly successful captain of American industry. Herman Cain FIXES problems, with common sense conservative solutions. Herman can be trusted, and to me, that's HUGE!
http://www.hermancain.com/the...
---Michele Bachmann was also spectacular. Way to articulate the conservative message Representative Bachmann!
---Ron Paul spoke my mind on a litany of domestic issues. BUT he also blames America and Israel for Islamic terrorism. To me, that betrays some sort of mental illness. When you misidentify simple EVIL, you've got a deep and disqualifying problem. In that mania, he has plenty of company: Obama and Michael Moore for starters.
---Mitt Romney was polished and glib, and he LOOKS like everything you might want in a president. And I don't trust him politically. Like Newt, he has been drinking the globaloney warming purple kool-aid. That's a disqualifier.