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Did Neda Die In Vain - Discuss Breaking News from Iran #iranelection

SodaHead Politics 2009/06/22 22:15:08
The turmoil in Iran has raged for many days. Neda Soltani Video is just one example of a protester being killed in this struggle for freedom. Vent here about everything you're seeing in the news - or if you're in Iran, please share your personal stories.

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  • ffarzaneh 2009/06/23 04:24:53
    ffarzaneh
    +6
    Religious dictatorship is the worst form of oppression, since the dictator claims divine authority and views any opposition to its tyranny as opposition to God! The regime in Iran hanged my beloved 67 yrs old father after holding him in solitary confinement in Evin Prison for 4 yrs,for his opposition to the notion of Velayate Faghih (supremacy of the self-proclaimed supreme leader's whims over the lives of the people).
    I pray to see the day that Khamenei and his henchmen be tried in the Iranian nation's court of Justice for their countless murders & crimes against humanity.

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  • reimagin 2010/02/04 02:23:52
    reimagin
    And the left wingnuts whine about Iraq. Funny how the so called "occupation" is over and Iraq is a free country. Iran deserves the same. US should be supporting the Iranian PPL's revolution, not a place at the negotiation table. Obozo and his Clown Posse are either in support of Terrorists or just plain frakk'n stupid.
  • nannylynn 2009/07/01 19:16:41
    nannylynn
    Neda'a example will be in our memories forever. What a brave woman.
  • Nonicknameunlessyouknowme 2009/06/27 15:57:20
    Nonicknameunlessyouknowme
    I don't think anyone who dies while standing up for what they believe in has died in vain. Her death is a rallying call to all Iranians to fight for their freedom and for a voice in their government. It also calls to the world to take action. Who buys Iranian oil and other Iranian exports? Maybe they should take their business elsewhere until the Iranian government starts listening to their people and doing right by them. Lets get a U.N. peacekeeping force in Iran and put sanctions in place, it evidently worked for Saddam.
  • MaryAnn 2009/06/26 22:44:43
    MaryAnn
    I don't think she died in vain. She was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
  • anahita 2009/06/25 10:33:04
    anahita
    +4
    Neda is alive in our hearts now & forever. we will achieve freedom... pray for us anahita an iranian girl
  • cyrusmafia 2009/06/24 22:47:10
  • Gorky 2009/06/24 21:52:20
    Gorky
    her death will only be in vain if the Iranian people don't achieve freedom.......
  • Gulliver 2009/06/24 06:24:25 (edited)
    Gulliver
    +1
    Some have said that the situation in Iran is an illustration of why we in America have opted for the separation of Church and State.

    However, what is far more important is the separation of "State" and "Corporate and Banking Special Interests" which use political parties and State agencies to line their pockets and then use "religious" or "quasi-religious" movements to consolidate their power for world domination.

    Take as another example the control of the FDA over our lives and the fact that this totally corrupt organization is in bed with Big Pharma with a revolving door between their residences. FDA is now attempting to circumvent the people's will by making forms of Vitamin B6 illegal to be sold as vitamins because one form is now in clinical trials for approval as a drug! When completed, a person will only be able to buy this natural, life-saving substance by prescription at massively inflated prices to offset the high cost of the clinical trials. Medicare and Medicaid will have to pay through the nose for what people can get over the counter. Until approval, people with serious illnesses that are effectively treated naturally will die because they cannot get this naturally occurring nutrient. This is illustrative of the unconscionable marriage between corporate special ...



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    Some have said that the situation in Iran is an illustration of why we in America have opted for the separation of Church and State.

    However, what is far more important is the separation of "State" and "Corporate and Banking Special Interests" which use political parties and State agencies to line their pockets and then use "religious" or "quasi-religious" movements to consolidate their power for world domination.

    Take as another example the control of the FDA over our lives and the fact that this totally corrupt organization is in bed with Big Pharma with a revolving door between their residences. FDA is now attempting to circumvent the people's will by making forms of Vitamin B6 illegal to be sold as vitamins because one form is now in clinical trials for approval as a drug! When completed, a person will only be able to buy this natural, life-saving substance by prescription at massively inflated prices to offset the high cost of the clinical trials. Medicare and Medicaid will have to pay through the nose for what people can get over the counter. Until approval, people with serious illnesses that are effectively treated naturally will die because they cannot get this naturally occurring nutrient. This is illustrative of the unconscionable marriage between corporate special interests and the State. And, it is why many of our Founders wanted a limited federal governement, not the bureaucratic behemoth that it has become.

    We must, thus, look below the surface and expose the forces that are using the situation in Iran to fulfill an agenda that has nothing to do with the issues of religion or freedom. It is a process of destabilization, pure and simple. We must not be misled by surface appearances and look at the situation in simple black or white terms.

    The Iranian clash is not different from the political clashes elsewhere in the Middle East. It is not different from those here in our own country where citizens have been turned against each other in a "virtual" civil war.

    These destabilizing forces we once identified as being Marxist-Leninist or Communistic in origin and carried out principally by the Soviet KGB. Who are the people now serving as the instruments of the the POWERS THAT BE, do you suppose? The changes in our country are still following the Soviet KGB psychological warfare agenda. Who is fanning the flames of "destabilization" of our country now? I have my candidate. Who's yours?
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  • Katharina 2009/06/24 05:41:52
    Katharina
    Very sad. One of my friends is working for the press and she is doing a lot for her friends in Iran. Very sad political development.
  • JadedTLC 2009/06/24 00:46:49
    JadedTLC
    This is so sad. I am praying for the Iranians.
  • chas 2009/06/23 16:49:24
    chas
    All "religions" are NOT equal. Some are "twisted", evil, and maybe perverted. If the "theocracy" of Iran goes DOWN, so much, the better.
  • Gulliver chas 2009/06/23 23:05:44 (edited)
    Gulliver
    +3
    It is not religions that are "twisted." It is rather the "Twisted," who use religion for power and control of others, who are of most concern.
  • chas Gulliver 2009/06/23 23:35:56
    chas
    True. But Islam never had a "reformation", which hinders economic and "mental" development." Most" branches of Christainity abandon "arranged-marriages" 400 years ago, but Islam, for the most part, still practices. Females who refuse a husband can be "punished" with impunity. Sad, but true.
  • Gulliver chas 2009/06/24 05:47:13
    Gulliver
    +1
    There has been a "reformation" of sorts--"the Fundamentalist, Radical Reformation." What you discuss are fundamentalist practices, which are similar to some of the fundamentalist practices in this country that are held in check by our Constitution, e.g., the wife being expected to submit to her husband's will because he is the head of the house, according to the literal interpretation of the Bible.
  • chas Gulliver 2009/06/24 17:47:38
    chas
    Thank god, our LAWS would NOT uphold submission of a wife, to a husband!! As Shi-ria laws are "law of the land" in Iran. ANY wife, in the USA, can leave a Marriage, anytime.
  • Gulliver chas 2009/06/25 03:28:08
    Gulliver
    My basic point is that you seem to evaluate all of Islam on the basis of the extremist fundamentalists in Islam. Would you characterize all of Christianity (Traditional Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox Greek Christians, etc.) by the behavior of the extremist Evangelical Christians in this country who have, for example, made our nation 34th in the world regarding knowledge and acceptance of one of the most powerful theories in science for explaining phenomena, viz. Evolution?
  • chas Gulliver 2009/06/25 17:49:45
    chas
    I understand your point. Catholic/ Protestant/ orthodox "sects" of Christainity have MORE in common, with RESPECT for "human-rights", than Sunni and Shi-ite "sects" of Islam. Shi-ria LAW (that details "limb-removal") for certain offenses, is NOT vehemently CONDEMNED by the other sects of Islam. Why is that??? If "Baptists" were "burning witches" at the "stake", I'm SURE that other MAINSTREAM Christains would put an END to the practice!!! Islam, for the most part, is "stuck" in the 9th century. Only in Jordan & Turkey, some reforms with Islamic culture, have occurred.
  • Boudicca Gulliver 2009/06/26 00:58:33 (edited)
    Boudicca
    +2
    Beautifully said. Beautifully. This is the fatal flaw - and the basis of my distrust - of those ideologies whose 'laws' disallow separation of Church and State. Injustice and cruelty in the name of G_d has written far too much of our collective human history.
  • Gulliver Boudicca 2009/06/26 09:42:12
    Gulliver
    Thank you for the kind remarks.
  • Danielle Pridgen 2009/06/23 16:20:19
    Danielle Pridgen
    +5
    i find it amazing that an entire country could find solidarity amongst their two sides. enough so that they could march the streets for upwards of weeks. and yet each side strongly demands no violence. MLK should be turning in his grave that their is such non-resistance to force. and such commitment by an entire global community for peace and no killing in this turmultuos setting. my prayers are with Iranians, and all the media. facebook intel could be sniped by other crime units worldwide. i think its smart to scramble up their internet waves for safety. also for the purpose of preventing bad commuications going on about bombings and mass catastrophies since the people are gathered. its necissary for govt to monitor what theyre twitting cause some people out there are willing to drive into a tower.
  • Poet003 2009/06/23 15:49:34
    Poet003
    I'll keep the people of Iran in my prayers.
  • Turtle Chell 2009/06/23 14:26:32
  • s 2009/06/23 11:29:03
    s
    +2
    Under different circumstances, the EU, US and UN would have more influence. However, after the US fixed their elections, invaded the wrong country, severed relations globally, and destroyed its reputation throughout the world, support for intervention in Iran is bleak.

    Obama is faced with the choice of labeling himself as "Bush-like" by interfering in a foreign county's election process, or a pacifist by staying out completely.

    Again, if the last administration hadn't made so many costly mistakes or acted like a spoiled brat tying to earn his Daddy's respect, the US might be in a better place to make a difference.
  • RJ~PWCM... s 2009/06/23 14:02:47
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    You're saying that this is not the fault of the dictatorial brutal theocracy that runs Iran?

    You're saying that it's "all Bush's fault"?

    Good God, wouldn't you like to be taken seriously by reasonable people?
  • red dog RJ~PWCM... 2009/06/29 15:53:59
  • VICTORIA 2009/06/23 08:09:08 (edited)
    VICTORIA
    Twitter is still active.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    What possible purpose would this poster have to make such a claim?
  • Comrade... VICTORIA 2009/06/23 15:14:07 (edited)
    Comrade Volizden
    +1
    Iranian government has put Clamps on many avenues out of Iran, NPR announced this morning that twitter has been having problems getting out again as of this morning...

    The Swedish embassy has opened its doors to allow anonymous computer posting by Iranian citizen to get word out, as well as the British embassy and one other I missed..

    so the poster is correct at least to some degree...
  • VICTORIA Comrade... 2009/06/23 19:04:12
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Yes, they're trying to catch up with the technology.
    But there are still many tweets getting out through proxy servers.
    Tweets were coming in every 10 seconds yesterday. I haven't checked on it yet today.
  • ««Gingey, the Master Debate... 2009/06/23 07:31:50
    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    +4
    I'll tell my family in Iran to join sodahead. So many websites are blocked there, and they can't hardly dial out of the country, so we don't really know how they are... I hope they are staying at their house by the Caspian Sea instead of their house in Tehran.

    blocked dial country hope staying house caspian sea house tehran
  • mckayla 2009/06/23 05:59:54
    mckayla
    +5
    they need to do a recount cause the protesters obviously dont like him and y would he have won if not many people like him doooooooyyyyyyyy well they dont need to use violence in an order to fight the protesters they are just voicing their opinion geez
  • super1samuel 2009/06/23 04:55:20
    super1samuel
    I think that this is not a good thing.
  • ffarzaneh 2009/06/23 04:24:53
    ffarzaneh
    +6
    Religious dictatorship is the worst form of oppression, since the dictator claims divine authority and views any opposition to its tyranny as opposition to God! The regime in Iran hanged my beloved 67 yrs old father after holding him in solitary confinement in Evin Prison for 4 yrs,for his opposition to the notion of Velayate Faghih (supremacy of the self-proclaimed supreme leader's whims over the lives of the people).
    I pray to see the day that Khamenei and his henchmen be tried in the Iranian nation's court of Justice for their countless murders & crimes against humanity.
  • Boudicca ffarzaneh 2009/07/13 16:25:09
    Boudicca
    Thank you for sharing your comment about the tyranny of religious dictatorship. If a human claims divine authority, that human can imprison and even slaughter millions, and few are brave enough to raise their voices in dissent. Those fearless men and women who do voice opposition are treated as heretics. Please allow me to say I am grieved you lost your father in this way, but his sacrifice identifies him, on earth and in Heaven, as a brave, just and honorable man.

    His murderers, who claim divine power here on earth, will someday stand before the true God - from Whom nothing is concealed - and they must answer for the work of their hands.

    God bless you and your family. Your father is this moment in Paradise, wishing he could dry your tears and heal the pain in your hearts.
  • Boudicca 2009/06/23 04:21:49
    Boudicca
    +5
    Americans (at their best) are not always America (at its worst). (Please remember America is often inspired to do great things, and we love our Country). Every human must feel sympathy for and solidarity with the people of Iran who find themselves held hostage by a repressive regime. I worked with some wonderful Persians here in the States after the fall of the Shah - Sunni, Baha'i - all open-minded, all hard-working and gifted students, all beautiful and cultured. God bless the people of Iran, and all honor and respect to Nada and her family. (I am a Christian, and my God loves the faithful. That includes ALL the faithful among ALL nations).
  • concerned 2009/06/23 02:42:24
    concerned
    i still have seen how all the other muslim country feel about the Iran protest ..and that would be a lot more important to me than the usa getting involed ...
  • flaca BN-0 2009/06/23 02:39:26
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    Iran today is a reiteration of why we need separation of church and state.
  • maxdan 2009/06/23 01:53:42
  • Gulliver maxdan 2009/06/24 06:53:05
    Gulliver
    It's a shame that our CIA orchestrated the fall of an elected leader and reinstalled a bloody dictatory in 1953, also, isn't it?
  • maxdan Gulliver 2009/06/24 19:29:34
  • liz 2009/06/23 01:33:57
    liz
    +2
    to all those people who wish to express their god given right for freedom i am praying for you tonight. Those who would oppress and instill fear in your hearts are not of god. god is love.ipray to god that he would send his angels to watch over you.we each have a guardian angel just ask and they will protect you.To the people who would oppress i am telling them there is a god.

    god bless

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