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DHS orders 450 Million rounds of hollow point ammunition. I wonder why?

Birthpangs 2012/03/31 04:26:04
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DHS Orders 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets


Somebody out there has decided that the Department of Homeland Security needs a whole lot of ammunition. Recently it was announced that ATK was awarded a contract to provide up to 450 MILLION hollow point bullets to the Department of Homeland Security over the next five years. Is it just me, or does that sound incredibly excessive? What in the world is the DHS going to do with 450 million rounds? What possible event would ever require that much ammunition? If the United States was ever invaded, it would be the job of the U.S. military to defend the country, so that can’t be it. So what are all of those bullets for? Who does the Department of Homeland Security plan to be shooting at? According to the U.S. Census, there are only about 311 million people living in the entire country. So why does the Department of Homeland Security need 450 million rounds of ammunition? Either this is an incredible waste or there is something that the Department of Homeland Security is not telling us.


I could understand if the U.S. military was ordering ammunition in this quantity. When you fight wars you can go through ammunition very rapidly.


But the Department of Homeland Security is only supposed to be shooting at people very rarely.


It simply does not make sense that they would need so much ammunition.


The following is an excerpt from the official press release about this deal between ATK and the Department of Homeland Security….



ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.


ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.


“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, President of ATK’s Security and Sporting group

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  • Icanbean Arschloch 2012/03/31 04:43:34
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +9
    Is Martial Law on its way? I guess I have 450,000,000 reasons to think so.

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  • Red_Horse 2012/04/01 06:28:45
  • ronbo51 2012/03/31 20:27:22 (edited)
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    ronbo51
    +2
    check all your weapons. clean them and have ready. buy ammo and also provisions.
    have at least 1-2 that are over .270 cal. and scope.

    its better to be prepared and protect your family than to be herded off to some camp!
  • dick 2012/03/31 16:37:33 (edited)
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    dick
    +1
    It can't be a good sign the odds that H.L.S. is going to defend our borders is not likely! illegal alien cartoons illegal alien cartoons
  • ray 2012/03/31 15:25:28
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    ray
    +4
    Watch someone try to use the ammo plus other things to make up a conspiracy theory .

    The camps are in place ( or can be with 72 hours notice )
    Fusion Centers and Joint Terrorism Task Forces
    http://www.dhs.gov/files/prog...
    FEMA Puts Out Contract For Emergency Camps to House “Displaced Citizens”
    http://realityfail.com/2012/0...

    The Coffins are ready


    The prisoners can be fed
    Terror threats rising as FEMA orders $1 Billion in dehydrated food
    http://www.examiner.com/finan...

    The Joint training for Military / police assaults on cites is underway
    LAPD: Joint Military Drills In Downtown LA Won’t Disrupt Public’s ‘Daily Routines’
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.co...

    NDAA has been signed and is in place.
    The most controversial provisions to receive wide attention are contained in Title X, Subtitle D, entitled "Counter-Terrorism." In particular, sub-sections 1021 and 1022, which deal with detention of persons the government suspects of involvement in terrorism, have generated controversy as to their legal meaning and their potential implications for abuse of Presidential authority. Although the White House[9] and Senate sponsors[10] maintain that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) already grants presidential authority for indefinite detention,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w...











    Watch someone try to use the ammo plus other things to make up a conspiracy theory .

    The camps are in place ( or can be with 72 hours notice )
    Fusion Centers and Joint Terrorism Task Forces
    http://www.dhs.gov/files/prog...
    FEMA Puts Out Contract For Emergency Camps to House “Displaced Citizens”
    http://realityfail.com/2012/0...

    The Coffins are ready
    contract emergency camps house displaced citizens httprealityfail com20120 coffins ready

    The prisoners can be fed
    Terror threats rising as FEMA orders $1 Billion in dehydrated food
    http://www.examiner.com/finan...

    The Joint training for Military / police assaults on cites is underway
    LAPD: Joint Military Drills In Downtown LA Won’t Disrupt Public’s ‘Daily Routines’
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.co...

    NDAA has been signed and is in place.
    The most controversial provisions to receive wide attention are contained in Title X, Subtitle D, entitled "Counter-Terrorism." In particular, sub-sections 1021 and 1022, which deal with detention of persons the government suspects of involvement in terrorism, have generated controversy as to their legal meaning and their potential implications for abuse of Presidential authority. Although the White House[9] and Senate sponsors[10] maintain that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) already grants presidential authority for indefinite detention,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Martial law is available at a whim
    Via Presidential EO all water , food , companies , fuel , everything in can be seized if the POTUS decides that is for national defense .
    http://www.infowars.com/new-o...

    UN troops stationed in America , DHS lists military and Tea Party as possible terrorist but won't search moslems getting on a plane .

    No point in getting paranoid like this poster ,
    What would you do if Obama declares Martial Law in order to stop the 2012 elections?
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    Oh! yes he has been deactivated . Don't know why .
    (more)
  • SteveMarine- JLA 2012/03/31 15:17:10
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    SteveMarine- JLA
    +2
    It's very possible. I've already told every one around here our police depts have been doing some odd training and there has been some rumors floating around...other wise known as scuttle butt.... and its usually true.
  • Flamingolady 2012/03/31 12:52:09
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    Flamingolady
    +1
    Holy crap. Is it time to become an ex-pat yet?
  • rdmatheny 2012/03/31 10:51:50
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    rdmatheny
    +2
    Well, let's do the math. Last census showed U.S. population at around 300 million. DHS orders 450 million rounds of ammo. Hmm. I guess they plan on a few of us fighting back.
  • Radical 1s1am1st 2012/03/31 09:06:06
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    Radical 1s1am1st
    +2
    Maybe he going to finally do something about the 1000+ hate groups and militias out there.
  • Birthpangs Radical... 2012/03/31 14:04:10
  • Heffeweizen 2012/03/31 08:26:17
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    Heffeweizen
    +3
    Disturbing on many levels, especially since DHS screws up almost everything they touch. Now we're giving them ammo? Time to stock up on what We the People can get, we might need it, hollow points are NOT used for training.
  • goatman112003 2012/03/31 08:24:39
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    goatman112003
    +4
    He's going to war. That amount of ammo couldn't be shot up in qualifications by all Federal law enforcement in 20 years. What the hell are they going to do wear bandolares of ammo like Pancho Villa did. In simple terms they are expecting something or you don't buy these quantities of ammo.
  • Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/31 07:45:58
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    Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I was wondering is there is also been a big corresponding order of 40 Caliber firearms by the DHS?
  • Gooky 2012/03/31 06:54:04
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    Gooky
    +4
    Holy crap.He's getting his boys ready...
    obama youth group
    obama youth group
  • LAAD Gunner - USMC 2012/03/31 05:23:46
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    LAAD Gunner - USMC
    +5
    Stock up on guns and ammo people, you're gonna need it.
  • Simmering Frog 2012/03/31 04:57:02 (edited)
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    Simmering Frog
    +5


    Obama apparently is ordering all this ammunition so his civilian national security force will be well prepared for any social unrest.
  • Birthpangs Simmeri... 2012/03/31 05:01:06
  • Heffewe... Birthpangs 2012/03/31 08:28:26
    Heffeweizen
    +3
    The New Black Panthers and SEIU come to mind.
  • Birthpangs Heffewe... 2012/03/31 17:17:14
  • Heffewe... Birthpangs 2012/04/01 07:14:16
    Heffeweizen
    +1
    Oh, yeah. We would find out just how fast a Black Panther can run!
  • apachehellfire65 2012/03/31 04:53:18
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    apachehellfire65
    +3
    its called culling the herd.
  • Birthpangs apacheh... 2012/03/31 04:54:12
  • apacheh... Birthpangs 2012/03/31 04:56:53
    apachehellfire65
    +3
    its amazing through local laws and liberal policy's how many can't.
  • Birthpangs apacheh... 2012/03/31 04:59:14
  • apacheh... Birthpangs 2012/03/31 05:52:55
    apachehellfire65
    +2
    i know. i'm one of them. but you get into the city's most are just sheep for the slaughter.
  • Icanbean Arschloch 2012/03/31 04:43:34
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +9
    Is Martial Law on its way? I guess I have 450,000,000 reasons to think so.
  • Birthpangs Icanbea... 2012/03/31 04:46:02 (edited)
  • Elephant Lord 2012/03/31 04:38:14
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    Elephant Lord
    +1
    As another person pointed out, this could go to training.
  • Birthpangs Elephan... 2012/03/31 04:39:40
  • Elephan... Birthpangs 2012/03/31 17:22:45
    Elephant Lord
    Yes, but paper targets aren't the only training methods. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
  • Birthpangs Elephan... 2012/03/31 17:28:30
  • Mel 2012/03/31 04:35:17
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    Mel
    +1
    A lot of that may go towards training also which burns up ammo like crazy, it's really not that unusual.
  • Birthpangs Mel 2012/03/31 04:37:37
  • Mel Birthpangs 2012/03/31 04:39:42
    Mel
    Why.
  • Birthpangs Mel 2012/03/31 04:40:57
  • Mel Birthpangs 2012/03/31 04:46:35
    Mel
    +3
    You know what? You're right I am wrong, they sure don't use hollows in training, I wasn't paying attention to your post like I should, thanks for bringing that to my attention.
  • Red_Horse Birthpangs 2012/04/01 06:35:31 (edited)
  • sglmom 2012/03/31 04:33:44
    Is Obama preparing to go to war with the American people? This is 40 Caliber...
    sglmom
    +7
    A massive order of munitions ..
    Saying DHS (hmm .. they've been having a lot of problems with personnel charged with various and sundry crimes too .. in the past few years) ..
    Now it also mentions these are "HOLLOW POINTS" .. (umm .. those are meant for the KILL .. plain and simple) ..

    Got to ask .. what are they ARMING FOR ?

    slippery slope indeed .. for there was at a time .. a couple of other examples who loved their bullets .. their orders .. and ramped up Government spending for them too ..
    hitlers storm troopers killing civilians
    stalin

    Makes you think .. where's the need for such a stockpile anyways? (Especially an organization that is not military in nature .. inside of our borders too).
  • Birthpangs sglmom 2012/03/31 04:36:23
  • sglmom Birthpangs 2012/03/31 04:38:27
    sglmom
    +4
    (hopefully not aiming at me!)
    I'm just pointing out .. that's mighty high a purchase .. if they are trying to say it is for training (quite expensive training rounds .. which is why I suspect there's another use these are intended for by DHS)
  • Birthpangs sglmom 2012/03/31 14:07:35

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