Dependency nation?

I work next to a food bank in Irvine. Yes a lot of people have come down in the world. The have late model luxury cars and no job. It's cheaper to keep the car then to sell it and get a different one. They will not find a job without it. When you have a recession like this one that hits the middle class this hard you get that. Remember you need a phone to get a job and a lot of people have cell phones as their primary or only phone.

I have a friend who complains that his wife can't get people to work in her restaurant because they would loose their medicaid. My response is always the same. Stop complaining; pay a little more and offer reasonable health insurance.

2 low pay jobs don't make up for one good one and may stop you from getting the good one. A few people told me to take anything a few years ago and I told them they were wrong. Took a year of consulting in my field but I was right I kept my skills up to date spent the money on good tools and got a good job. Have had it for about 10 years now.

I am going to disagree with you because 2 low paying jobs are better than none at all. That's one of our problems right there. I realize their are certain circumstances that make a person suffer if they don't get assistance and that's a different case. You were fortunate to afford to take a year of consulting in your field and buy new good tools. Maybe it was assistance too that helped you. Ten years ago, we were much better than we are now. But good you found a good job all the same. Yes I know there are many, even working people who can not afford much food after the bills are paid and that would be what assistance is for. But many people can do without all the extras they have and cut back on expenses but no one wants to do that. It's easier to just ride the backs of the tax payer.That has caused some of our problems here. Those that will not work if the job isn't their favorite and will not cut back on their expenses in order to afford to pay their bills and eat.

That is not what I said and you know it. You are insulting the workers and supporting those who don't work. Those who work and do they best they can are honorable. Supporting the "lazy" non workers will stop when we run out of money. Health costs began to go up after the Great Society and keep going up to cover the cost of government regulations and massive lawsuits. We need Tort reform too. When the taxpayers run out of money?? what happens then? Not only Tort reform but Tax reform. If EVERYONE paid 20percent of their gross (regardless of their income) and we removed all the hidden 'excise' taxes-----the government would have to get along on that. Government can't create jobs or give anyone everything they want. We've tried that for the last 50yrs, look where we are----up to our eyeballs in debt. Some government programs may be necessary-----most are not.

The reason for Medicaid and Medicare was because health insurance costs were already going up. I worked in my grandfathers health insurance business. I saw premiums go up every year before medicare. I saw a lot of things change. I know that the insurance companies didn't really fight medicare because they couldn't make money on people over 65.

Everything I've heard about tort reform says that states like Texas that have tried it have not seen a decline in costs. Tell me a state that has tried it and seen costs go down.

In this kind of an economy with our military needs 20% across the board is impractical because a lot of people just couldn't pay it and the government couldn't run on it.

Have you studied the history of Austria under Hitler?? Hitler's plan sounded great to them so 98 percent of them voted to go with it. Didn't turn out too well. Then check out their occupation under Communism after Hitler-----that was just as bad. Government cannot do everything you want. AH, medical costs and premiums will go through the roof under Health Care. They have already started. People would be better served if they planned for their own healthcare. Don't like the Military?? it's the only thing that secures your freedom. Obama is doing everything he can to weaken our defense capabilities. Like it or not, insurance is a business Unlike government it has to make a profit to pay the bills. Claims are not paid out of premiums, they're paid out of investments and with our current government regulatory control, that's becoming difficult. If you don't know much about Austria under Hitler, do some research----it'll be an eye-opener. AH, YES, I have an Insurance License and so does my daughter. An over powerful, controlling government is NOT the answer. Wait until we run out of money, then you'll see what a controlling government will do.

It's nanny-state socialism, and you know the problem with socialism...

Government and their pet collective herd would have barely had a wooden nickel to collect in taxes or a pot to piss in had it not originally been for all the honest, independent, self sufficient, thinking producers in this country that laid the foundation for the wealth that we all enjoy today.

However, government cannot easily control free independent individuals so like any bunch of appreciative SERVANTS turned Al Capone mobsters, they increasingly used the peoples wealth against them to turn the weaker minds among us into a bunch of useless ill-educated, illogical, producer hating dependents who believe that the progressive criminals somehow someway gave them everything that they take for granted today.

I understand the concepts of responsibility and self-sufficiency but I wonder to what extent and how do we get there from here.

What steps are taken to go from a world of government programs to a world where families, neighbors, and friends are forced, out of necessity, to help each other survive? What will the country look like during this period - protests – violent civil unrest, Marshall Law? Like many of us, I have heard similar scenarios proposed by some of the “experts.” Hopefully it will be none of the above. I personally have no idea but I am not planning for the best of times.

Responsibility and self-sufficiency, or death.

Give a man a fish, and you’ll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you’ve fed him for a lifetime. I am a proud fisherman.

I pointed this out in 2008 when the Fraud was running- His ideology is all about selling dependency to the most vulnerable Americans: Lazy, no-talent idiots.

He just undid the work provision for Welfare, which was a key factor in the Newt Gingrich balanced budget, you know, the one Clinton always takes credit for.

with the robber barons working hand in glove with their GOP legislators over the last 30 years - resulting in the following tilting of the economic tables hard in favor of the top 1% - is it any wonder we have massive poverty? The Middle Class has been destroyed over the last 30 years. THIS is the result of the Class Warfare waged by the 1% against the lower 80%.



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Plain good sense says this but our Fearless Leader wants the economy to collapse for revolution. Its one thing to have compassion another to be a fool. It doesn't work in the present, in the past or in the future.

May or may not be the best, but until something better comes along I'll take freedom.

Recession will do that.

Does anybody look at all the sources of the national sucking noise? What about the big corporations that don't pay taxes. The foreign companies dumping products so American workers cant compete. How about laws that kill the opportunties for the middleclass. How about a government that is focused on world affairs instead of its own. Now with that said doesn't that refocus the answer from the article.

Which laws kill opportunity for the middle class?

The pure cost of government is over one trillion a year.

First, the Americans who pay no taxes at all are not making enough money to be required to pay taxes or they are multi-billionaires who have so many loopholes they get around paying taxes like the rest of us. Know anyone like that?
Second, this country is now too big and too complicated not to have a safety net for those who cannot, for whatever reason, support themselves. A lot of people on welfare have lost their jobs, run our of unemployment benefits and still have not found a job. We still have the Welfare to Work program although you wouldn't know it if you watch the Romney campaign ads and there will always be those incapable of holding a job for many different reasons. In one of his more selfish moments, a disciple of Jesus tried to help a poor person and Jesus told him, the poor you will always have with you, not so for the son of man....or something to that effect. My biblical quotes are a bit rusty.
So there are poor people, there have always been poor people and there will always be poor people.

I totally agree. But I'm worried that we have been so "dumbed down" that it will take generations to recover. We are so busy with our gadgets, devices, and all our "stuff" that we've lost the ability to appreciate the value of just living a good life. It's not all about collecting as much stuff as you can.

I hear Maobama is getting ready to do away with Clintons "welfare to work" program or whatever it's called. Clinton at least made lazybones get up and try to find a job or they got no welfare; Obama just wants them to sit on their butts and do nothing and get paid WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS for doing so. That Marxist is one sick twisted animal.

That's just lies.

Where are you getting your numbers? Since there are just over 300 million in the country, and you aren't including the 15% of the people who are on Social Security, that leaves 240 million people and out of that, you claim 107 million are on welfare?
Sorry, not buying it

I notice that you didn't mention another group that receives welfare, and that group need not be dependent on welfare like the poor. Of course that group is tied to the right wing. I'm talking about the wealthy, and large corporations, which is referred as corporate welfare. I don't know exactly how much welfare these 2 groups get, but I don't think I would be wrong to say it would equal what the poor get, and maybe surpass it. It's easy to beat up on the poor, but at least they don't have money, but these 2 other groups would get along just fine without the welfare. where is their responsibility???

Its like a hour glass , Bussinesses are the ones feeding the sand to the lower side of the glass ( The subsidy programs ) when the top half empties guess what happens to the bottom half ? Killing bussiness in this country will take us all , But those dependent on others will be the first to go.

That's not how an economy works at all.

Who said anything about the economy ? What i was saying without the tax money coming in those dependent on govt. wont be be getting their handout , I know there are a lot of people that need them ,But there are more who are abusing the programs

You did. Your entire post was about the economy.

You tell me how this nation is going to survive without it

Who is suggesting we should execute all the wealthy? Who is saying we should close down all the business in the country?

Everyone pays taxes. If there is one class that pays too little tax, it is the wealthy. In reality, they sponge off the poor and middle class.

In reality its the govt. that does the sponging

The government isn't a person. It doesn't spend money on luxuries for itself. It spends money, or distributes money, to other people. That's what a government is for.

Yeah right

Simply correct.