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The trillion dollar tax fight
By: Lisa Lerer
October 11, 2007 08:27 AM EST

By now, everyone knows Rep. Charles B. Rangel is poised to introduce the “mother” of all tax reforms, the biggest and most expensive tax code overhaul since 1986. But what they don’t know is how the New York Democrat plans to pay the more than $1 trillion price tag — and that uncertainty is fueling rampant speculation from Capitol Hill to K Street.

The classic Washington guessing game is frustrating anxious corporate lobbyists but amusing others, including the House Ways and Means Committee chairman who started it all. “It is surprising how nervous people get when I use the words ‘fairness’ and ‘equity’ to describe our efforts to simplify the tax code and encourage economic investment,” the New York Democrat told Politico.

The fiscal fortunetellers fall into four categories: Robin Hoods, Goldilockses, Chicken Littles and Scarecrows.

The Robin Hoods predict Rangel will increase taxes on the very rich and expand breaks for the poor. Rangel’s most talked-about goal is to eradicate the alternative minimum tax, expected to hit 23 million high- and middle-income families this year.

Repealing the AMT would reduce federal tax revenue by more than $800 billion over the next 10 years — and that’s assuming the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. With the tax cuts in place, the costs would near $1 trillion.

Robin Hoods expect Rangel to swap the AMT for a new tax targeted exclusively at the highest-income payers. One often-mentioned idea, proposed by Leonard Burman, director of the Urban Institute’s Tax Policy Center, would impose a 4 percent surcharge on unmarried taxpayers making more than $100,000 a year and couples making more than $200,000.

The 4 percent tax proposal is more progressive than the AMT, Burman said, as it would place more of the tax burden on the wealthy. Almost 58 percent of the tax would be paid by taxpayers with incomes over $1 million. Under the current AMT law, the same group will pay only 8 percent of the AMT in 2010 — again, assuming the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

Burman’s idea carries more than a whiff of irony. The AMT was originally designed to increase taxes on high-income individuals. When it was first passed in 1969 — a year before Rangel came to Congress — it targeted 155 high-income taxpayers.

Over the past 38 years, the AMT spiraled far beyond its initial targets. By 2017, it is estimated that the tax would hit at least one-third of all taxpayers.

Burman says his proposal would raise enough money to finance a complete repeal of the AMT, but, he cautions, it is not without political peril. “The advantage is that only high-income people pay the tax,” he said. “The disadvantage is that some people are going to be paying more taxes and aren’t going to be very happy about it.”

That’s the reason another group — the Goldilockses — anticipates a slightly different landscape. This group predicts that Rangel will cobble funding together through a set of tax code tweaks. The Goldilockses say he’ll try closing different variations of the so-called tax loopholes until he finds the politically palatable mix that’s “just right,” as Goldilocks once said.

“There are a lot of problems with the code, so there’s a lot that would have to get moved around to make it work,” says Cristina Begona Martin Firvida, director of government affairs for the National Women’s Law Center. “We’re assuming that they’re thinking of moving a lot of pieces.”

The Goldilocks path wouldn’t be easy for Rangel. After all, the more industries you tax, the more enemies you make in the process.

The current debate over the so-called carried interest bill, argue the Goldilockses, is a preview of the kinds of fights to come. The bill, sponsored by Reps. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) and Rangel, would more than double the taxes paid by investment managers, and it has drawn the vocal opposition of much of the business community.

Academics estimate the bill would raise anywhere from $3 billion to $10 billion. (The Joint Tax Committee has yet to release a calculation.)

Another, albeit unlikely, tweak would involve reducing or even eliminating deductions for state and local taxes. The idea was proposed in the final report of President Bush’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform, put out in November 2005.

This change most likely would benefit rich taxpayers who are more likely to itemize deductions, Burman said. But those in lower income brackets would be loath to lose any type of deduction, as well — a feeling they’d certainly share with their congressmen.

Firvida and others mention an economic substance law, an idea proposed by Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas). The law would crack down on companies using shelters solely to avoid taxes. A similar idea is under consideration by the Senate Finance Committee, which estimates the law would raise roughly $10 billion.

Above all, Republicans fear that Rangel will drum up dollars by raising the 15 percent capital gains tax rate. The 1986 tax reform package raised the rate to 28 percent, the highest in more than 50 years. Since then, the rate has been lowered during both the Clinton and the current Bush administrations.

Democrats in Congress have been relatively quiet on the issue, but Democratic presidential hopefuls John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) have supported the increase on the campaign trail.

A small but growing group of Chicken Little-style predictors are churning fears with cataclysmic claims about Rangel’s intentions. “We are looking at the remainder of the year to be ground zero for the tax fight of all tax fights,” said Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.). “This tax hike is going to hit the American people, businesses and investors who are, quite frankly, relying on this Congress to be fiscally prudent.”

Finally, there are the world-weary voices of the Scarecrows, who offer the sort of thoughtful analysis of perilous predicaments that calmed the character’s fellow travelers in Oz. The tax sky isn’t really falling, they say, and it’s highly unlikely Rangel will get much done before the end of the session. Rather, he’s simply setting the stage for a longer battle.

“What can I do?” asked R. Bruce Josten, executive vice president of government affairs at the Chamber of Commerce. “I can’t flail around town at every little comment or breath or utterance he makes.”

Both the administration and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) support a one-year fix of the AMT. “What we need to get done and can get done is a patch that can fix the AMT,” Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in a private meeting with reporters last month.

In the House, Rangel would be waging an uphill fight to win over both Republicans and fiscally conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats. And next year, of course, the elections will steal the stage.

“A lot of time was involved in the 1986 effort,” Burman said. “It took a couple years of work and required strong support from the president. You really need bipartisan support.”

With a veto-loving president and a stymied Congress, that sounds about as likely to happen as a fairy tale.
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  • mary 2008/02/07 18:14:18
    No
    mary
    +6
    liberals are turning this Great country into a socialist one world goverment. They wont give up till they destroy us.

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  • santa6642 2009/01/29 15:23:40
    No
    santa6642
    They are dividing the country even more.
  • Shiloh's Angel-2012 2008/10/23 23:58:44
    No
    Shiloh's Angel-2012
    This is Good ! Hell No! Reform Washington McCain/Palin "2008"
  • zman 2008/09/28 14:35:34
    Undecided
    zman
    Republican rhetoric... This post is a JOKE!
  • ☠Marz555☠ 2008/06/14 09:19:48
    Undecided
    ☠Marz555☠
    Makes more cents, than Georgies plan to give everyone $400. to stimulate the economy.... now the millions of people who have been forclosed out of their houses can pay for a public storage locker!

    The next time you see some poor guy/gal begging for change.. remember most likely a republican put him there.
  • football fan 2008/05/03 03:55:28
    Yes
    football fan
    Don't blame the dems they didn't get us into this mess george bush did. I'm kool with it because it's about time the very rich pay their fair share of taxes.
  • Bill 2008/04/19 05:27:07
    No
    Bill
    +1
    The author must be confused. It was Rangel's quote, not all the Dem Snators' quote. And rangel is not running for Presidency. The author oufgt to know that bills drafted have to be voted on before they become laws. The author must be clueless on how Congress works.
  • kirk Linn 2008/04/17 04:40:08
    Yes
    kirk Linn
    because how else will we pay for the 9 trillion WAR that the republicans gave us
  • Radlad 2008/04/04 21:15:39
    No
    Radlad
    +2
    Oh, yeah! Yust what we need to do. We just ain't puttin' enough money into the hands of a bunch of corrupt, inept, incompetent, unAmerican slobs that couldn't hold down a real 9 to 5 job if their lives depended on it. Could balance their checkbooks with a CPU.............................
  • angie ~ MCCAIN / PALIN 08 2008/03/31 05:03:58
  • MadHatter 2008/03/28 15:49:33
  • patty 2008/03/26 01:57:53
    Undecided
    patty
    What a crock of sh#t.

    You know these lies arent gonna fly this election... everybody is really paying attention.............they took there eye of the ball as your Dubya Gump gave Tax breaks to the top 10% of Americans on the backs of the Middle Class all your spin and all the lies wont work they feel it in there pocketbooks................

    Smear and Lies wont do it this time........ DO YOU KNOW WHAT K STREET IS IT IS A LOBBYING ORGANIZATION.... OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT A SPIN ON IT.................LOSER........
  • moe 2008/03/24 18:52:39
    Undecided
    moe
    sounds like a funding amnesty program in the works
  • daveygater 2008/03/20 23:49:35
    No
    daveygater
    I expect Rangel to hold most of this tax-and-spend "reform" till after the Presidential election this coming November.
  • noisy 2008/02/14 08:27:25
    No
    noisy
    +1
    but its not that cool to let republicans spend it on a war either and when does that total stop by the time its all said and done well have spent almost two trillion over there. go figure where does it stop..
  • Studied 2008/02/08 03:28:07
    No
    Studied
    +1
    And who would be left to provide jobs? No Jobs, no one paying taxes.
    I am really for a flat tax for every person. No one should be exempt from paying taxes. Too many people not only pay nothing but also get a nice fat check back from the IRS. Those are our tax dollars they are giving away.
  • BRADY969 Studied 2008/02/08 09:03:48
    BRADY969
    +2
    How about NO federal tax?
  • Shiloh'... Studied 2008/10/24 00:03:14 (edited)
    Shiloh's Angel-2012
    The jobs will be gone overseas everybody will be on welfare on the Obama Plan! There will not be anything here to do anything with!YOu can't get taxes from people if their jobs,homes are gone!
    They can't mess with my money! No Way and No How! No OBama!
    McCain/Palin "2008"
  • mary 2008/02/07 18:14:18
    No
    mary
    +6
    liberals are turning this Great country into a socialist one world goverment. They wont give up till they destroy us.
  • DEEP 2008/02/01 19:34:13
  • Eagle 2008/01/30 16:04:34
    No
    Eagle
    If we get a Dem president, you can count on it.
  • patty Eagle 2008/03/26 12:35:15
    patty
    Senile McPain wearing his Depends plan on Trillions and Trillions of dollars War..... for 100 Years.......and he admits his-self he knows nothing about the ECONOMY....
  • Denny 2008/01/23 05:00:23
    No
    Denny
    +1
    It Sucks. The "rich" will protect themselfs, like the jobs they send elsewhere, they will also send their money. I hope all you dead people like paying more. Just like Clinton looking for that elusive middleclass tax cut. Good luck. It will make the next Republican Tax Cuts look real good.
  • insectual 2007/12/18 07:01:48
    Yes
    insectual
    +4
    This is yet another STOOPID poll, exaggerated all to hell. But yes, let's end all the tax cuts for rich fuckers, and do away with corporate welfare. Excellen-tay!
  • BRADY969 insectual 2008/03/31 10:05:13
    BRADY969
    +1
    explain why it's stupid and how it's exaggerated!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
  • piffy 2007/11/06 19:19:37
    Undecided
    piffy
    Do these ass holes know anything about cutting spending and quit
    taxing our asses off,they won't be happy until we are under their thumb
    as a nanny state
  • Patriot... piffy 2008/02/01 06:33:01 (edited)
  • piffy Patriot... 2008/02/04 16:44:57
    piffy
    +1
    Who are you calling the wealthy,what dollar figure are you
    putting on the wealthy.The tax cuts helped everyone.You need to wake
    up.THE TAX CUTS HAVE BROUGHT RECORD DOLLARS INTO THE COFFERS OF THE
    FED. GOV..As far as the Bush Aministration I am not crazy about his
    spending but it was sure better than the Clintons.Don't get caught up
    in the KOOL-AIDE.Tax cuts are good for America and it's economy.Now you
    have a liberal congress ready to give amnesty,rebates and whatever to
    illegals.As far as I am concearned they can get rid of all the
    clowns(politicians).They are many reasons we are getting our lunch
    eaten, and it is not all Bush.Gov. regulations on
    business,unions,wackoo environmentalists.If you think putting a liberal
    in the Whitehouse like Obama or Hillary is going to be the savior you
    better see what these guys say and then see how they vote.After 11
    months of trying to cut funds for the troops,weaken our intelligence
    programs and adding deficit spending,Democrats have changed their
    tactics.They included Republicans in the debate and succeeded in
    passing funds for the troops,agreeing to a spending bill that met the
    Presidents top budget line,averting a middle-class tax hike and
    approving an energy conservation bill without raising utility rates or
    taxes.
    Just remember the wealthy are the people ...

    '


    '

    Who are you calling the wealthy,what dollar figure are you
    putting on the wealthy.The tax cuts helped everyone.You need to wake
    up.THE TAX CUTS HAVE BROUGHT RECORD DOLLARS INTO THE COFFERS OF THE
    FED. GOV..As far as the Bush Aministration I am not crazy about his
    spending but it was sure better than the Clintons.Don't get caught up
    in the KOOL-AIDE.Tax cuts are good for America and it's economy.Now you
    have a liberal congress ready to give amnesty,rebates and whatever to
    illegals.As far as I am concearned they can get rid of all the
    clowns(politicians).They are many reasons we are getting our lunch
    eaten, and it is not all Bush.Gov. regulations on
    business,unions,wackoo environmentalists.If you think putting a liberal
    in the Whitehouse like Obama or Hillary is going to be the savior you
    better see what these guys say and then see how they vote.After 11
    months of trying to cut funds for the troops,weaken our intelligence
    programs and adding deficit spending,Democrats have changed their
    tactics.They included Republicans in the debate and succeeded in
    passing funds for the troops,agreeing to a spending bill that met the
    Presidents top budget line,averting a middle-class tax hike and
    approving an energy conservation bill without raising utility rates or
    taxes.
    Just remember the wealthy are the people providing the
    jobs.Most of the jobs in this country are supplied by small
    business's.That is who the liberals say are the rich.If you do not give
    these people tax breaks they will cut jobs.These are not wealthy
    corporations but people who have worked hard and put their as--s on the
    line.The libs don't want these people to be successful.They want you
    and I to depend on them.I say this TERM LIMITS FOR ALL THE
    CLOWNS(POLITICIANS)
    (more)
  • patty piffy 2008/03/26 12:42:18
    patty
    Do you not even read..........this propaganda spread by the Right Wing........This illegal War has bankrupt America we are now owned by China. All the money borrowed for this WAR is from China............ Have you taken A look at the ((( Imaginary CREDIT CARD THE REPUBICANS CALL THE DEFICIT)))))) WHAT IS THE MAGIC NUMBER TODAY))))))))) THEY EMPTY OUT THE COFFERS OF OUT TAX DOLLARS WHAT THEY CANT STICK IN THERE POCKETS-----------THEY CHARGE ON THE IMAGINARY CREDIT CARD THEY KNOW AS THE DEFICIT------------AND THEY HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY THAT IS BALANCING THE BUDGET...................
    I WISH I COULD RUN MY HOUSEHOLD LIKE THAT.........


    THEY HAVE MADE OUR DOLLARS WORTH ONLY PENNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2007/11/06 02:28:17
    No
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +2
    I hate income taxes!
  • Margie, family & friends 2007/10/27 17:16:16
    No
    Margie, family & friends
    +4
    Definitely not COOL with me. A very good reason not to vote as a Democrate. Glad I'm not a Democrate.
  • joanie baloney 2007/10/26 05:40:02
    No
    joanie baloney
    +2
    the only good thing I see coming out of this is that it may cure our immigration problem. The major manufacturers will take their businesses to Mexico and we'll have to become illegal aliens over there to get a job. This plan will tax the hell out of businesses and they will outsource. FLAT TAX. No BS, everyone pay the same percentage, no loopholes, across the board!
  • rushsupporter 2007/10/25 20:26:44 (edited)
    No
    rushsupporter
    +3
    chucky rangel, chucky schummer and the rest of these tax and spend and tax some more think they will get away with this. its a new day and these elitest had better get thrown out of office in 2008. i trust the people of this country see that its lower taxes that stimulate growrh and a better lifestyle. give me one gov program that they have run that works efficiently? welfare? soc-sec? medicare, medicaid?? which one? NONE! the only thing they are constitutionally mandated to do is defend and protect!

    Bush blew it also with increasing the size of gov and not vetoing some of the hidious entitlements.

    Brady I think this commentary is longer winded than you! wuwt?
  • DrTim rushsup... 2008/01/01 04:45:07
    DrTim
    +2
    I think you are BRAINWASHED by the Right ELETE!
    Less than 7% of the people make more than 70% of the money in this country.
    Why shouldn't they pay more they get more?
  • rushsup... DrTim 2008/01/02 02:47:39
    rushsupporter
    +3
    they already pay 90% of the taxes. If they earn it shouldn't they be able to keeo it?
    How about if your taxes were 50-80%. Is that fair?

    I think you might be the elitest that seems to think you have the right to take from someone else! I would say you are brain washed by the marxists/communists consider truly what you are saying and tell me the truth?
  • DrTim rushsup... 2008/01/02 05:53:51 (edited)
    DrTim
    +1
    I think you are being overly critical and RUDE!
    As well as pig headed!
    But I should expect no less from sombody that supports 'ol DRUG ADDICT RUSH!!
    If you have any further personal attacks (or you want some)please address them to my mail box.
  • rushsup... DrTim 2008/01/03 04:50:10
    rushsupporter
    +2
    typical of you libs to not address the issues but go on the personal attack!

    maybe you were able to comprehend it so I will ask again!

    "they already pay 90% of the taxes. If they earn it shouldn't they be able to keeo it?
    How about if your taxes were 50-80%. Is that fair? "
  • DrTim rushsup... 2008/01/03 05:57:02
    DrTim
    "typical of you libs to not address the issues but go on the personal attack!
    "Maybe you were able to comprehend it so I will ask again!"

    Not only is this judgmental,predjudiced and aggressive in is grammatically incorrect!
    Now be a good little moron and run this off to your mommy and have her check it for you ,and in the future address me through my E-mail like I asked!
  • rushsup... DrTim 2008/01/03 21:39:08
    rushsupporter
    +2
    why email? i kind of like exposing you for the marxist you are. you probably never really grew up after your academic experience. welcome to the real world! time to grow up padawan and answer direct questions!
  • Destroy... rushsup... 2008/02/01 12:21:35
  • rushsup... Destroy... 2008/02/01 18:30:21
    rushsupporter
    +1
    she and her friends blocked me a long time ago!!! LOL!!!!!!

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