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Democrats, party of government

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/09/07 23:01:47
Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
No, Democrats are not the party of Government
What's wrong with being the Party of Government?
None of the above
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Sounds like they want us to think of government as a social club, some other part of our identity. Not a healthy way for a free person to think.

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/09/07 23:04:46
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +13
    They've always been the party of government. Until now, they dared not admit it. (The last time they admitted that, they nominated McGovern. I was alive then, and I remember how well that turned out.) Then came Reagan, who shamed at least some Democrats into toning down the government thing. But now here is Obama, promulgating government as savior of the people.

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  • Marlene Wilkins 2012/09/10 05:29:35
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Marlene Wilkins
    +1
    Same line of 'rationale' as the Liberal party up here uses; 'We're the party of government.'.
    BAD government...
  • texasred 2012/09/10 00:11:04
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    texasred
    +2
    They're the party of government. They aren't Godless because government is their God. Lies are their God. Control is their God. Welfare is their God. Hate is their God. They worship false idols.

    Do I believe all Democrats are like that? No. But...the majority are.
  • Marlene... texasred 2012/09/10 05:31:46
    Marlene Wilkins
    +1
    Canadian Liberals....same deal, too.
  • texasred Marlene... 2012/09/10 16:24:43
    texasred
    +1
    Yep... there is a Canadian Liberal on SH that posted something asking what Conservatives stand for other than conserving their own wealth. Then she said she's asking because she's just a stupid Canadian and one of her choices was basically mind your own business because you're a stupid Canadian. She got mad when a couple of people chose that option. LOL
  • Marlene... texasred 2012/09/10 20:09:07 (edited)
    Marlene Wilkins
    +2
    Canadian Liberals...they can be 'fun', like American Dems. I have a couple of friends who are Liberals, but espouse that the Libs have grown far too complacent and need to re-forge the Lib party along the lines of responsibility and integrity, and return to and stay with it's essential principles.
    Some others I've met...every bit as rabid as the worst American Dem. People, they're all different. :-)
    As for the Lib, she handed the membership a 'loaded gun' and she was surprised someone pulled the trigger...some Canadian Libs are like that.
  • texasred Marlene... 2012/09/10 22:14:08
    texasred
    +2
    LOL... Libs are pretty much alike everywhere.
  • Marlene... texasred 2012/09/11 04:00:17
    Marlene Wilkins
    +2
    people, we all have commonalities inherent as a species--national borders don't mean much in the face of such. :-)
  • burningsnowman 2012/09/09 20:41:22
    What's wrong with being the Party of Government?
    burningsnowman
    There's barely any difference between parties but I don't think there's anything wrong with supporting social services per see.
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/09/09 20:33:27
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    The party of WAY TOO BIG AND CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT!
  • pizzaman7 2012/09/09 09:39:40
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    pizzaman7
    +1
    Yes....the party of big government who does not celebrate individualism at all. We are all but pawns slotted into our government-run lives. we are not free to think. we do everything for the collective. no one is allowed to have a lot of success....that would be bad. government provides for you and decides for you.

    what a wonderful life !
  • princess 2012/09/09 02:03:43
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    princess
    +3
    Democrats = Party of Enslavement
  • Marlene... princess 2012/09/10 05:32:54
    Marlene Wilkins
    Democrats/Canadian Libs = facist control-mongers and nanny-staters with NO respect for personal sovereignty and self-determination.
  • Captain-Morgan 2012/09/08 21:04:06
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Captain-Morgan
    +1
    A BIG PARTY OF GOVERNMENT.. AND THEY HAVE BEEN AT PARTY'S FROM THE TIME OF ELECTION... AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE...
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/09/08 19:49:44
    None of the above
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    still buying into the 2 party BS?!
  • hisomouth 2012/09/08 17:43:00
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    hisomouth
    +1
    Where have all the Demos gone? Long time passing.
    O, they had just a little to much weed.
  • bob 2012/09/08 16:49:46
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    bob
    +2
    The party of big government and unions and corruption. should be called the Communist party
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/09/08 16:24:09
  • ☆GrayBear☆ ~PWCM~JLA~ 2012/09/08 15:52:43
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    ☆GrayBear☆ ~PWCM~JLA~
    +2
    The NDAA is Obama's "Enabling Acts", we may have passed the point of no return and not even noticed........ we'll find out on November 6th.
  • Bevos 2012/09/08 13:50:03
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Bevos
    +3
    The bigger the Govt, the more taxes to pay for it, the more control they have over WE THE PEOPLE
  • Elaine Magliacane 2012/09/08 12:26:23
    None of the above
    Elaine Magliacane
    +2
    Democrats are the party of BIG Government.. with a capital B
    ohnothechair
  • Arel 2012/09/08 11:32:55
    None of the above
    Arel
    +2
    Many from both sides are the party of government. The House and Senate votes will be just as important in 2016 any voting for big spending and big government control should be ousted.
  • Boris Badinov 2012/09/08 08:39:48
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Boris Badinov
    +2
    Playing to the weakest link, decision making by committee,
  • A Woman's View~JLA 2012/09/08 07:41:40
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    A Woman's View~JLA
    +4
    If we have to rely on this Government....we are so screwed!
  • kcoat 2012/09/08 06:39:02
  • Pedro Doller ~Inc. 2012/09/08 05:41:03 (edited)
    Yes, Democrats are the party of Government.
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    +5
    This is what the Earth looked like the last time it was completely engulfed by big government.

    earth looked completely engulfed government

    What Big Government does, is it cuts the value of everything in half, or more. Making everybody have to produce twice as much just to stay at the same place before government got involved.
  • Giantfan 2012/09/08 04:41:13
    What's wrong with being the Party of Government?
    Giantfan
    Republican are the party of money worshipers. Profits before people is their motto.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/08 05:47:11 (edited)
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    +3
    That's why big labor unions and pension funds like to park their money in the same places as Republicans. Maybe it's the computerized trading programs that Unions and Pension funds use that make them do their Wall Street investments in those very places.

    Too bad they really got burned on their get rich quick investment in Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. No problem, they got bailed out with the shovel ready stimulus package.

    I guess you could say that labor unions are the Republicans of the Democratic Party.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/08 16:06:25
    Giantfan
    Yes check out the top 21 CEO's Golden Parachutes. One man was CEO of the company for only one year and recieved $100,839,772 in retirement. No union ever came close to that. The top guy Jack Walsh of GE worked 20 years as CEO and got $417,361,902 in a retirement plan. Yes and you people want to give taxcuts to the wealthy because they pay so much in taxes their rates are too high, boo hoo..... They pay less then most of us percentage wise. When someone makes $20,000,000 in income and only pays 13.9% thay are probably paying less in percentage then you are if you have a decent middle class wage. So I stand by what I said and being in a union for 30 years I can tell you my retirement from the company I worked for for GE for awhile is nothing to get excited about.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/09 05:35:26
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    +1
    You present only a partial picture. Most CEO's are investment bankers that have no earthly clue what the companies they run even do. They just recycle from one company to another. They are definately overpaid for what they bring to the table and have stacked boards to keep the trough flowing. Having said that, I think Unions and their pension funds are much the same as these companies and are infact major shareholders. These institutional investors make up the majority of Wall Street. When you see wild swings in the DOW, it is most likely their computerized trading causing that. They are subcontractors selling manhours and people, same as Staples selling toner for copy machines. They take their money and spend it just like any big business and pay no taxes on any profits and get bailed out for losses.

    As far as taxes go, everybody should pay the same rate, that's what I'm for. Abolition of all exemptions and trusts. There is no reason for taxes to be anymore than 10%. $16 trillion in debt has bought nothing, nothing to show for it. Most of that is and has gone to banks, some in other countries. The meter can be run up to infinity but that doesn't mean 50,60, 90% of what people make paid in taxes improves or builds anything.

    Jack Welch was a Republican, his replacement Jeffrey Immelt is a Democrat. What's the difference? None. The Republicans have a bunch of rich CEO's and so do the Dems. A two party dictatorship.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/09 23:54:48
    Giantfan
    +1
    I don't agree that someone making $10,000 dollars a year should pay the same tax rate as someone making $10,000,000 dollars a year. That is just plain wrong because that leaves a person with only $9,000 to live on for the year while the other had $9,000,000 to live on. Who is losing much needed money for food the poor person or rich person? Who is losing much needed money for clothes,gas or heat, the poor person or the rich person? And I can go on. A person making $10,000 a year pays a full 6.5% in SS and medicare taxes while the person making $10,000,000 a year pays only 6.5% on the first $106,000 and nothing on the last $9,894,000 making the poor person pay a much higher rate (full rate) than the rich person who if you divide 6.5% by about 100 it's the rate you get. Also when people spend every penny they make they pay a higher percentage of their money in sales taxes then a person who only spends 10% of what they make. A flat tax sounds good because it's simple but simple isn't always better or the fairest.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/10 06:01:30
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    Well start a flat tax at $35,000 then, thats fair. As far as SS goes, Australia's Superannuation may be the way to go. Probably people that make over $106,000 shouldn't collect any SS. Neither should those people that never paid into it. If that is the case, I should get paid by Union Pension funds, even if I never paid in.

    As far as taking money at all, prove the need and audit everything it is spent on, it doesn't take half the GNP to run the country. The money is pissed away on sweet heart deals. If the tax rate is raised to 100% the $10,000,000 wage earner won't pay that, just ask Bill Gates.

    As far as someone making $10,00 a year, maybe they wouldn't accept $10,000,000 a year because they would not be willing to do what it takes to make $10,000,000. A good place to start is getting a GED.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/10 16:47:08
    Giantfan
    A flat tax is never fair. Even at $35,000 for a family of four it's hard to survive. Between clothes, food, school, transportation, electricity, heat, insurances, you name it they have nothing left. If you want to do a flat tax of say 25% do it for people making over $350,000 a year. Then at least they'll start paying more than someone making $60,000.
    Let me ask you something. Do you make $10,000,000 a year? If not why not? Aren't you willing to do what it takes to make $10,000,000 a year? See that's not a very intellectual comment, no insult intended. Not many people are capable of making that much money if they were we'd all be making it. That's why there are so many less rich people than there are non rich people. If it was easy everyone would be doing it.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/10 17:22:42
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    Ok, 25% for over $350,000. That's fair. It doesn't get rid of incentive. $10,000,000 would be an Athelete or a Rap star or someone like Buffet, Soros or Bill Gates. They don't pay anything so tax them that's OK. Gates makes most of his overseas and don't repatriate that, Buffet and Soro's tie up their money in dividends and they don't pay much on that. Problem, they have so much influence in shaping legislators that write the tax code. Even if taxes were unlimited though I want the government to show me what they are spending it on.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/10 17:26:31 (edited)
    Giantfan
    Government spending is a good thing it gets a bad rap. Without government spending we'd have nothing at all. Wasteful spending on the other hand is not useful. And you left out people like Hannity, Limbaugh, Romney, the Koch brothers and The Donald. Please don't forget them. You only mentioned democrats.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/10 17:34:31
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    They're all the same, throw them in there too. I talk about Democrats because they are put on some pedestal and they are the same as the Koch's they hate. The richest people in Congress are Democrats and they go on and on about the rich and they exempt themselves from everything. We don't live in a medieval serfdom and they are not royalty.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/10 17:44:18
    Giantfan
    But you miss one big difference. At least the rich democrats pass some bills that benefit the middle and working classes where as the republicans fight against those bills. Medicare, Social Security, Pell grants, etc. What have the republicans passed that is for the working poor and middle classes?
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/08 20:01:05
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/09 05:52:10
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    George Bush had no real economy. His economy was the housing bubble he inherited from Clinton. People that didn't really qualify were given loans, people doubled their money every 2 or 3 years by buying and selling homes. People took $50,000 homes and home equitied them up to $400,000. Nothing was driving the prices up economically other that buyers lined up to buy the home at twice the price the previous owner paid. This bubble burst in 2008 just in time for the elections, very quaint. The problem really started in Clinton's terms and with the help of Allen Greenspan. Clinton transitioned America from a real economy to one of speculative bubbles. First was the dot com bubble, that finally went bust and many lost their asses. That was then replaced with the housing bubble (not based on economic needs). After Clinton moved on, Bush grabbed the only thing out there and ran with it. (technology and manufacturing were already shipped out to Mexico and China under Clinton). Bush had a false economy too. I don't see a difference between these people, they are an endless continuation of each other.
  • Giantfan Pedro D... 2012/09/10 00:04:32
    Giantfan
    +1
    Wall Street is in it for Wall street and they took advantage of less educated people who thought they could get more for less. Greed be it by the rich or the poor is still greed. And you are right even after $1.6 trillion in taxcuts which republicans claim creats jobs didn't create any jobs. We had the slowest job creation rate in modern times and the largest taxcuts of anytime.All those taxcuts did was cause the debt to double and the housing bubble was a combinationn of republicans wanting to repeal Glass-Steagall and Clinton going along with it. When money is god this is what happens. Greed was to blame by Wall Street and Main Street.
  • Pedro D... Giantfan 2012/09/10 06:10:51
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    Ralph Nader said Bill Clinton was the best Republican ever elected. They are one and the same.. Larry Summers worked for Clinton, the architect of Glass Steagall being repealed. Weather you call it Crip or call it a Blood it is still a gangster. Forget all that for now, Glass Stegall needs to be re-enstated and soon.

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