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DECONSTRUCTING THE LIES OF CONSERVATISM

Foxy Warrior Guru 2012/07/09 02:21:59

Some truth behind conservative BS.



DECONSTRUCTING THE LIES OF CONSERVATISM


Posted by icarus on 08 Jul 2012


Senate Minority Leader – Mitch McConnell (R-KY) went on CNN today and was interviewed by Candy Crowley. As the most senior member of the Republican party … he has been the chief political tactician in the Senate to block as much of President Obama’s agenda as possible. And everything that Mitch McConnell says in this interview is in lock step with the conservative worldview. So – we’re doing some actual fact checking here.

The Republican solution as explained by Mitch McConnell:

  • Eliminate Obamacare i.e. your guarantee to healthcare
  • Extend tax cuts for the top 1% of highest income earners
  • Reduce regulation on Wall Street and corporations

If you do those three things – God almighty himself will shower you in a rainbow of Skittles and puppy dogs and all of the world’s problems will just go away. </sarcasm>

Now – some critics of mine might say that I’m excessively partisan and biased. My response to that is simple. Neither party is completely honest … but to simply casually dismiss them both as being dishonest by labeling it a bi-partisan problem isn’t honest either. There seems to be a false equivalence of blame here … but the blame is not equally proportioned. It’s not even close.

We’re going go analyze an 8 minute interview between Mitch McConnell and Candy Crowley at CNN to deconstruct this box of inaccuracies and falsehoods. Let me be clear – it takes literally HOURS to highlight how many lies a Republican can spout off in 8 short minutes. And they do this every single day … every single day.

Mitch McConnell says:

“the principle reason that we’re having this economic trough is what the government is doing to the private sector. You know the president keeps talking about public sector employees. Unemployment in the public sector is 4.2% … we have got to get the private sector going. That’s the only way you have job growth which creates revenue for the government. Everything this administration has done Candy has taken us in the wrong direction.”

The FACTS

Now – there is no such thing as public sector unemployment and private sector unemployment as a %. The Bureau of Labor statistics doesn’t track this … and I’ve never heard anyone be so callous as to make this up. If you’re a public sector worker … and you go to work as a private sector worker … or vice versa – what are you now?

There is however such a thing as public sector hires and public sector layoffs … same for the private sector. And here is what we know about the public sector:

  1. Here is what the vast majority of civil servants ACTUALLY do … teachers, police, firefighters. You know – union thugs. (source)
  2. If government hiring had stayed at the same rate as either Reagan or George W. Bush … unemployment would be at 7% today. (source) and (source). Cuts in government jobs have cost 1.7 million jobs.
  3. As far as the private sector goes – there have been 4.2 million private sector jobs created since January of 2010. (source)
  4. As Paul Krugman writes – President Obama’s record on jobs “has been unambiguously better than Mr. Bush’s”. 70% of all public sector job losses come from states where Republicans have control. (source) and (source)

Mitch McConnell says:

“For two years – the administration was able to do everything they wanted to … they borrowed, they spent, they had the government takeover of American healthcare. That’s all in place … why don’t we try doing things doing things that get the private sector … going again.”

The FACTS

  1. During Obama’s term – the Republican minority abused a Senate rule called the filibuster that would require 60 votes in the Senate to beat. In fact – in Obama’s first year in office … Republicans in the Senate used it a record 112 times to block legislation from passing. That is 18% of all of the votes in the Senate according to McClatchy (source). Obama’s 2nd year in office was the 2nd highest number in history with 91 filibusters by the Republican party only exceeded by Obama’s first year in office. So – no … the administration wasn’t able to do everything it wanted … not even close.Senate tied up in knots
  2. He says “they borrowed, they spent”. The insinuation of course is that President Obama is a “tax and spend” liberal with “big government” etc etc. Here’s a fact for you. Government spending under President Obama is less than any president in the past 60 years. That was rated “mostly true” by Politifact. (source)
  3. Senator McConnell says there has been a “government takeover of healthcare”. That claim was rated as Politifact’s LIE OF THE YEAR 2010. (source)
  4. Another point regarding President Obama “being able to do everything he wanted to” … as we’ve written in “The Republican Congress is Killing the Economic Recovery” – Republicans have been blocking jobs bills one after the other.

    June 24th, 2010: GOP Blocks Unemployment Insurance Bill Once Again, Dems Giving Up (Open Congress)
    July 29th, 2010: Republicans block small business plan in Senate (Reuters)
    September 28th, 2010: GOP Blocks Bill to Punish Companies that Move Jobs Abroad (CBS News)
    November 18th, 2010: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits (USA TODAY)
    November 18th, 2010: Republicans vote unanimously against equal pay for women bill (Raw Story)
    December 9th, 2010: Senate Republicans block 9/11 health bill (Reuters)
    October 11th, 2011: Senate Republicans block Obama’s jobs package (CBS News)
    October 20th, 2011: Senate blocks money for teachers, firefighters (WaPost)
    November 3rd, 2011: Republicans block $60bn infrastructure bill (Financial Times)
    December 11th, 2011: Senate blocks payroll tax-cut extension (MSNBC)
    March 29th, 2012: Republicans Block Repeal of Oil-Company Tax Breaks Obama Sought (Business Week)
    April 17th, 2012: Senate GOP blocks Obama’s ‘Buffett rule’ for minimum tax rate on millionaires (Fox News)
    May 8th, 2012: GOP blocks Senate debate on Dem student loan bill (Associated Press)

    Even Mitt Romney’s former adviser admits the Republicans are “rooting against the economy”. (source)

Mitch McConnell says:

“Things like Obamacare, things like over-regulation are causing companies not to hire … What we ought to be doing is extend the current tax rates for another year with a hard requirement to get through to comprehensive tax reform one more time.”

The FACTS

  1. Regarding the Bush tax cuts – the Senate Minority Leader – Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is pushing for an extension of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans again. President Obama has said that he will veto this. Both parties agree that the tax cuts for the middle class should be extended but the Republicans will not allow for those tax cuts to be extended for the bottom 98% of American household incomes unless Democrats sign on to tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.Now – McConnell and other Republicans have pushed for permanent tax cuts in the past … it is likely that he is doing this so he can get some Democrat support. Democrats are in a frenzy over losing their control of the Senate and a small minority are in support of extending ALL of the Bush tax cuts.If a one year extension were to be passed and the Republican party were to win either control of Congress and potentially the Presidency … they would easily just pass the Bush cuts with additional tax cuts for the wealthy under “reconciliation” which allows for tax only matters to be passed on a simple majority for a minimum of 10 years. Passing a vote under reconciliation requires only 51 votes as opposed to standard rules which require 60 votes to pass a filibuster which Democrats would likely engage in. The original Bush tax cuts were passed under reconciliation rules and with 51 votes.
  2. Regarding his point about why companies aren’t hiring … well – that’s completely bogus. The Federal Reserve actually surveyed businesses and they found … the #1 factor inhibiting hiring is DEMAND. (source).
    There is uncertainty about the cost of health insurance for two major reasons. First – insurance companies spent over $100 million in advertising to confuse the public about the benefits of the law. Indeed – most people actually agree with the elements of Obamacare when they don’t know it’s Obamacare (source). A recent poll found 60% of Americans didn’t REALLY know what was even in the healthcare law (source).Secondly – there have been challenges in court and constant calls for repeal from the Republican party; quite literally – NO ONE can have certainty about the law as long as Republicans continue to base their policies around repealing past laws – not even proponents of the law. Now that the Supreme Court has settled the Constitutionality of it all … that leaves Election 2012 to decide whether Republicans will be in a position to repeal it.
  3. Taxes for individuals under President Obama are at their lowest point since the 1950′s. (source). President Obama has passed tax cut after tax cut. 1/3 of the stimulus plan he passed when he first came into office was tax cuts for the middle class. He has passed payroll tax cuts … he has extended the Bush tax cuts … he has given tax credits to small businesses 17 times …. Obamacare has a tremendous # of tax credits (and tax hikes on large corporations). He has cut taxes A LOT.

Mitch McConnell says:

“this is the most tepid recovery … if it is a recovery … from a deep recession in American history. The economy is just sputtering along. And the reason for that in my judgement is because of what the administration chose to do … spend, borrow, pass this new Obamacare law with it’s penalty tax … it’s mandate tax. All of this is slowing the economy down.”

The FACTS

  1. The Great Recession that Obama inherited started in December of 2007. He didn’t take office until 13 months later. By that time – it was on the same glide path as the Great Depression. No one gives you credit for stopping a train wreck but the prescriptions that the Republican party prescribed were right out of the mouth of Herbert Hoover and have been consistent with that of the heads of state in Europe who are now struggling through a double dip recession because of their austerity measures. If you compare the Great Depression with the Bush Economic Crisis (source) – you’ll see considering the severity of the drop off … it could have been much, much worse.
  2. If the recovery is tepid (and it is due to Republican obstruction) … why did an extension of the Bush tax cuts – that have existed for 11 years now – not fix the problem? Republicans have been promising that tax cuts for the rich will solve all the world’s woes … if only we would double down on the trickle-down economic theory that Republicans have been selling (and winning) the past 30 years … then they promise the world would be a bowl of peaches and everyone wins a pony.But – Obama passed the Bush tax cuts and more. Corporate profits are at an all time high (source). Government spending is at a 60 year low. Taxes for Americans are at their lowest since the 1950′s. Why hasn’t the economy fixed itself yet? But “tepid” needs to be clear … this administration has created 4.2 million private jobs since January of 2010. That’s the definition of “tepid” just so we’re clear. But that also highlights just how big the hole was that Obama inherited.
  3. The Obamacare “mandate tax” or “penalty tax” as McConnell refers to it as … is a duplicate of what Governor Romney passed in Massachusetts. Their state’s unemployment is lower than the national average … and they have 98% of their state’s citizens insured. Not one American has had to pay a mandate penalty just yet … and the Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 1.2% of Americans will have to pay a mandate penalty. Many Americans and small businesses are going to have tax credits …. thus lowering their tax burden but the Republican doesn’t want to talk about that. You can read more about how Obamacare actually impacts the economy and YOU HERE. Most of Obamacare doesn’t take effect until 2014 … but somehow THAT is what is dragging down the economy. Got it?

Lastly – if you really want to understand why we’re even in this mess to begin with … it’s simple. The economic crisis was brought on by an economic philosophy where privatization and smaller government are worshiped like a false god. Allowing banks to self-regulate and eliminating laws over the past 30 years that were put in place after the Great Depression to protect Americans from the financial sector is a failed ideology.

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  • Ken 2012/07/09 03:08:10
    Ken
    +39
    When will you liberal fools learn that nothing is free. You think Obama is going to "tax the rich" to pay for all of his promises but I've got news for you. A millionaire's tax will not solve our fiscal problems—there aren't enough millionaires. According to the Congressional Budget Office, tax rates would have to more than double for everyone, not just "millionaires and billionaires" if we are to close the budget gap with tax increases. According to the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, the official authority for tax legislation, Obama's "Buffett" rule would raise only $47 billion over a decade, that's enough to pay for just over ten days of the deficits Obama is running up, at over $4 billion a day! http://www.reuters.com/articl...

    So much for your alleged "deconstructing" conservative lies - Obama's lies are so blatant they need no deconstructing!

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  • ComeOnNow 2012/09/15 15:40:36
    ComeOnNow
    Trickle up economics is a largely discredited economic philosophy that defied all logic and common sense. It I something that politicians made up to buy votes by pitting those not willing to put in the work and sacrifice to be successful against those that did. Here are the MAJOR HOLES to the failed philosophy.

    (1)    The poor rarely use American services and rarely buy American products. They do not invest in creating new jobs or create new jobs. They do not buy highly specialized goods that are what is required to maintain good jobs or our high standard of living. Taking from the rich that actually do invest and create good high paid jobs, and giving it to those that only buy inexpensive items primarily made in China only builds a fake consumer only based economy of McDonalds jobs and jobs overseas.

    The rich even the Kroenkes and Lauries don't shop at Wal-Mart. it is the upper middle class and wealthy that actually hire, accountants, attorneys, landscapers, hairstylists, interior designers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, pipefitters, remodelers, etc. Get my drift.

     

    (2) Before a monetary system it was all business owners. People traded what they made in a barter system. So there was business before workers and without workers, but there are not workers without busine...



























    Trickle up economics is a largely discredited economic philosophy that defied all logic and common sense. It I something that politicians made up to buy votes by pitting those not willing to put in the work and sacrifice to be successful against those that did. Here are the MAJOR HOLES to the failed philosophy.

    (1)    The poor rarely use American services and rarely buy American products. They do not invest in creating new jobs or create new jobs. They do not buy highly specialized goods that are what is required to maintain good jobs or our high standard of living. Taking from the rich that actually do invest and create good high paid jobs, and giving it to those that only buy inexpensive items primarily made in China only builds a fake consumer only based economy of McDonalds jobs and jobs overseas.

    The rich even the Kroenkes and Lauries don't shop at Wal-Mart. it is the upper middle class and wealthy that actually hire, accountants, attorneys, landscapers, hairstylists, interior designers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, pipefitters, remodelers, etc. Get my drift.

     

    (2) Before a monetary system it was all business owners. People traded what they made in a barter system. So there was business before workers and without workers, but there are not workers without business. Capitalism leads to specialization and trade. This makes the entire economy more efficient, creates jobs and opportunity for anyone willing to take advantage of it, and increases the standard of living more than any other system. Even for the poor.

    (3) Can you even begin to explain how higher taxes, higher regulations, higher health care costs, having to pay employers far more than their skill set dictates, having insane unions that require 4 “skilled tradesmen to change a light bulb,” overpowerful trial lawyers, massive pensions and early retirements where workers make more in retirement than they ever did working, or any other horrible democrat policy helps companies to invest in research and development (The future of our economy), better able to compete abroad on pricing (Expand the economic pie), able to hire more people, grow and expand, have additional cash reserves to weather recessions, or in any way helps the economy? You can’t can you?  It does not work that way does it? If trickle up economics made sense, businesses having less capital and pays their employees the highest above what their skill set dictates would make them the most successful. It does not work that way does it?

    (4)  If Trickle up economics were true countries like Sudan that have a lot of people and no evil businesses and investors would be the most successful and prosperous. It does not work that way does it?

    (5)          Has anyone ever been hired by a poor person?

    (6)          If trickle up economics was true, companies would make a mad dash to hire as many employees as possible and pay them as much as possible because the increase in revenues would offset the costs. It does not work that way does it?

    (7)          There is not a fixed amount of pie. The rich expand the pie through innovation, capital investment, creating and growing businesses, creating more and better products less expensively bettering everyone, and create jobs for others in doing so. The wealthy create more wealthy. How many people have Bill Gates or Henry Ford made rich? How many people has Bob the street corner hobo made rich? The wealthy got their money through productive means and taking it from them to give to the unproductive poor ensures it will not be used for productive means.

    (8)          When you raise taxes, regulations, and other costs of doing business, it minimally at most hurts large corporations that the trickle uppers want to go after. They have the best accountants, attorneys, etc, and have the capital to buy politicians giving them special loopholes in the laws. It hurts the new and growing businesses that need every bit of capital they can to reinvest in growing their business. As the old established businesses become antiquated, these are the new businesses and technologies that we need to grow and create jobs, as well as the new technologies that will drive our economy and maximize the utilization of our resources. Trickle up economics only hurts the future of our economy and job creation. It is extremely short sided.

    (9)          The business owners take ALL the risk and the business and jobs would not have existed without them. They quit comfortable salaried jobs where they knew that their bills would be paid, leveraged their homes, their friends, their families, and everything they could, started a company, where they went years without replacing the income that they left, and often having no income the first few years, and started their business. In doing so they created jobs and opportunity for their employees. You work for their company. If the company fails, you simply look for another job, while they are whipped out. When you take the risk you can have your own company as well.

    (10)        Employment is a trailing indicator to profits. No profits, no employment. Further proof that trickle up economics is nonsense.

    (11)        Basic psychology says, if you pay people not to work and to be less productive, they will have less incentive to try and will take advantage of the free handouts. The problem is that those that actually try more often than not advance and would be far better off in the long run. Entitlements do not build a skill set or help anyone long term. They really hurt them, their families, their communities, and the country. It defies logic to think otherwise.

    (12)        The ones primarily receiving the hand outs do not even contribute additional productivity to this country to grow the economy and take far more than they give back. This is a net loss that hurts not helps the economy. While I am not saying, let them starve, I am saying that you should not pretend that it will somehow save the economy by stealing more from the wealthy so that the lazy able bodied people can live middle class lifestyles next to the family with the parents both working their tails off every day.

    (13)        In a centrally planned economy like socialism or like is required from trickle up economics, the government chooses winners and losers not based on their marketability, their technology, their ability to operate more efficiently, or in any way the better company and products. It is bases solely on political expediency. It is a system where there are the super rich and the poor and no opportunity to go from one to the other unless you marry one of the super wealthy or a corrupt politician. The government cannot have the facilities to help small business owners. The money only flows to the major corporations that trickle uppers pretend to hate. Let’s look at the current economic recovery. In a traditional recovery, the small cap businesses lead the recovery. With Obama’s policies, and stimulus, the major corporations are flush with cash and not hiring, while the small cap businesses struggle. Again, these small cap companies are the future of our economy. Low taxes are the ONLY way that companies are able to maintain the capital that they need to grow and expand based on their contribution to the economy. Under trickle up economics, these are the ones stripped of their capital and the money is given to the politically connected mega corporations. 

    (14) Only productive jobs grow the economic pie. Obviously, productive does not only mean physically making something, but also includes driving efficiencies, bringing capital to the country, etc. While support positions are important and necessary, NO GOVERNMENT JOB EXPANDS THE ECONOMIC PIE. Every Government job consumes the resources that would otherwise be used to expand the pie. While many jobs are necessary, we should work to have as few government employees as possible and as few government buildings, departments, administrators, etc as possible. Each dollar spend on Government is a dollar sucked out of the economy that would be used to expand the economy.  

    Trickledown economics and capitalism is the only system that allows the poor to become as wealthy as they are willing to put in the work for. The thing that trickle uppers hate about capitalism and trickledown economics is it requires work.  The money does not just trickle down like leaves from a money tree. You actually have to work and the more you want the harder you have to work. It is the only system where someone can be born poor and excel to wealth as foreigners come here broke unable to speak English and do every single day while Democrats whine that they are not being given enough. Unfortunately, you are simply going to have to work and at a minimum support yourself and your family like millions far worse off than you do every day. It is not too much to ask perfectly able bodied and minded people to take care of themselves as they are fully capable of doing, and it is the only way that we are going to keep from destroying the country for our children.

    The democrats only real argument is that it is ok to destroy the economy so that perfectly able bodied people can get petty hand outs like cell phones and birth control. Nobody is proposing not helping the handicap, the mentally incapable, the elderly or even children. So let’s take that lie off the table. Let’s debate the real political argument on the merits of it, and determine how much it is acceptable to steal from other hard working and equal Americans and destroy the economy to help able bodied people out that could easily help themselves as millions of others, worse off than them, do each and every day.
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  • DeborahLakeHelen 2012/07/12 13:01:32
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +1
    What Liberals, and the rest of those with their heads up the orifice of their anal cavity fail to realize is that HARD WORK, dedication and MORAL VALUES are what it takes to be successful and happy in life.
  • Reichstolz 2012/07/12 03:31:27
    Reichstolz
    First show me a conservative in elected office. That is the funny thing about ignorance, it defines itself. A progressive cannot define conservatism, so therefore who they label conservative is false in every case. Mitch McConnell, not a conservative. Mitt Romney not a conservative. Ronald Reagan not a conservative. Paul Ryan not a conservative. Marco Rubio, not a conservative. Mitch Daniels, not a conservative.
    I am 50 years old and have yet to see a conservative in elected federal office, during my lifetime.
    So if you want to complain about republicans, go ahead, but quit referring to them as conservatives. There is nothing conservative about the republican party.
  • zbacku 2012/07/12 03:24:07
    zbacku
    +2
    You do understand that with no profit companies go out of business. When they go out of business the people that depend on that company for feeding their families lose their jobs. When they lose their jobs they lose their income that the government needs to tax to feed the ones that lose their jobs. You do understand, that without Capitalism America DIES.

    I guess you don't. What a pity.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/07/10 20:24:07
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    Read this one
    Why Does The United States of America Support Dictators?
    http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    Many of the world's most repressive dictators have been friends of America. Tyrants, torturers, killers, and sundry dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests. Traditional dictators seize control through force, while constitutional dictators hold office through voting fraud or severely restricted elections, and are frequently puppets and apologists for the military juntas which control the ballot boxes. In any case, none have been democratically elected by the majority of their people in fair and open elections.

    They are democratic America's undemocratic allies. They may rise to power through bloody ClA-backed coups and rule by terror and torture. Their troops may receive training or advice from the CIA and other US agencies.
  • #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT... 2012/07/10 16:51:52
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    +2
    I have to laugh when I read this statement. Not because of the end part that includes sarcasm--because Turtleface McConnell thinks ALL of us are STUPID!

    The Republican solution as explained by Mitch McConnell:

    Eliminate Obamacare i.e. your guarantee to healthcare
    Extend tax cuts for the top 1% of highest income earners
    Reduce regulation on Wall Street and corporations
    If you do those three things – God almighty himself will shower you in a rainbow of Skittles and puppy dogs and all of the world’s problems will just go away.

    UHC
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/07/10 16:43:50
  • Michaelene whitewu... 2012/07/14 15:18:19
    Michaelene
    I agree and can't find a single thing that has to do with health, just like the stimulus bill did not provide "shovel ready jobs"

    Annual rental license fees = annual rental license taxes
    Rents go up, so blame Obama when you're rent bill is higher!
  • ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +7
    Sorry but you can not spend yourself into prosperity.Printing up monopoly money is not the answer! obama monopoly money obama monopoly money
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/10 02:50:04
    jackolantyrn356
    +4
    Marxists of the Democrat Party have been in Power since the 1930s. Now in an effort to retain that God like Power Thy LIE to the American Public about the people who will help the Country out of this depression,......
    These lIARS need horsewhipping, but the best we can do is strip 'em and give them a Tar and feathering.
  • reaper jackola... 2012/07/10 03:11:50
    reaper
    +4
    you really are quite the conspiracy theorist.
  • Chokmah reaper 2012/07/11 16:40:52
  • reaper Chokmah 2012/07/11 20:04:04
    reaper
    yeah, it's call THE NILE you dolt.
  • Andrew 2012/07/10 02:17:56
    Andrew
    +4
    Obama care MUST go! Taxes for ALL Americans must be reduced! Spending by our Government MUST be cut and of course, ALL Progressives in government need to be defeated in the next election!

    Oh yeah! All unelected government agencies must be defunded and in particular, the EPA!
  • Michaelene Andrew 2012/07/11 06:59:34
    Michaelene
    +3
    I agree
  • Chokmah 2012/07/10 00:03:01
  • Michaelene Chokmah 2012/07/11 07:05:23
    Michaelene
    +2
    Great video thanks!
  • mich52 2012/07/09 21:26:48
  • Lady Wh... mich52 2012/07/10 13:47:50
  • #Justic... mich52 2012/07/10 17:34:32
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    +5
    Yup, gin up the low-information voters who are devoted to the Reich Wing propaganda machine. Forget the sources included in the article, the charts that spell it out for the reading challenged. The gospel according to FOX non-News is, "If it didn't come from US, it's a LIBERAL lie to be quickly dismissed!"
  • mich52 #Justic... 2012/07/10 19:45:27
  • Sir Bud. #Justic... 2012/07/10 22:27:51 (edited)
  • Chokmah #Justic... 2012/07/11 16:46:15
    Chokmah
    The Ragin’ Cajun has a new book, coauthored with pollster Stan Greenberg, It's the Middle Class, Stupid! The Washington Post highlights the message, "if Democrats want to win in 2012, they must reframe their message to directly appeal to this demographic."

    "Stupid is as stupid does"
  • #Justic... Chokmah 2012/07/12 19:12:45
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    +1
    SO, the purpose of your message is? It certainly speak to anything I stated.
  • Chokmah #Justic... 2012/07/12 22:07:36
    Chokmah
    It sure do.
  • prayer warrior 2012/07/09 21:20:56
    prayer warrior
    +9
    CONSERVATIVE KOOL AID Strawberry koolaid conservative style
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... prayer ... 2012/07/10 20:23:20
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    Flavoraid not kool aid
  • prayer ... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/10 20:26:10
    prayer warrior
    ok flavoraid it is still red though
  • lee 2012/07/09 18:18:11 (edited)
    lee
    +7
    "The economic crisis was brought on by an economic philosophy where privatization and smaller government are worshiped like a false god. Allowing banks to self-regulate and eliminating laws over the past 30 years that were put in place after the Great Depression to protect Americans from the financial sector is a failed ideology."


    this bears repeating for those who couldn't make to the end of that long list of right wing escapades.

    BTW, love the GOP elephant humping America in the icon.
  • Aurora lee 2012/07/09 18:34:13
    Aurora
    +6
    That really helped with Fannie and Freddie the GOP warned you and the democrats did not want to reign them in. In this economy you can spout till you turn red, people are tired of the liberal ideology, it's not working. You are the definition of insanity.
  • lee Aurora 2012/07/09 18:35:52
    lee
    +4
    backwards.

    but thanks for playing.
  • mich52 Aurora 2012/07/09 21:30:04
  • zbacku Aurora 2012/07/12 03:27:53
    zbacku
    +1
    You know that facts mean nothing to these Liberals. They are blind to all that is truth.
    They will destroy us all because they hate America.
  • Michaelene Aurora 2012/07/14 15:20:53
    Michaelene
    +1
    Now the government is using the FHA program until it breaks, FHA loan defaults have increased 26% in ONE year.
  • Aurora Michaelene 2012/07/14 15:24:05
    Aurora
    +1
    I did not know that, thanks for the info.
  • Michaelene Aurora 2012/07/14 17:10:48
    Michaelene
    +1
    My daughter applied for a loan, was approved and nearly purchased a home. By the time settlement date arrived the mortgage payments were already past her maximum monthly committment. We got her out of the contract.
    The real estate market is desperate to show some improvement in sales that they are repeating the SAME mistakes of bad loans, no docs, even lieing about the amount of foreclosures and short sales in the neighborhood, and the tax increases as well.
    Yeah, FHA is the new Fannie and Freddie bailout to come.
  • Aurora Michaelene 2012/07/14 17:33:05
    Aurora
    +1
    it's a bad world out their. I am glad you were able to help.
  • "Shoote... lee 2012/07/09 19:02:05 (edited)
    "Shooter" ™
    +6
    wher s the white meat at obama

    Thanks for playing
  • lee "Shoote... 2012/07/09 19:59:14
    lee
    +7
    we don't need to see your vacation pictures.
  • "Shoote... lee 2012/07/09 20:01:51
    "Shooter" ™
    +3
    That one is you. I am not an Obama fan nor a dumb liberal.
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