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Dad won't face charges in alleged attacker's death

doofiegirl POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/20 00:11:13
SHINER, Texas (AP) - A young Texas father who beat to death with his fists a man molesting his 5-year-old daughter will not be charged, authorities said Tuesday as they released a dramatic 911 tape of the dad frantically pleading for help before the hired ranch helper died.

A Lavaca County grand jury Tuesday declined to indict the 23-year-old father in the death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47. Prosecutors said the grand jury reached same conclusion as police after reviewing the evidence: The father was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.

Flores was killed June 9 on a family ranch so remote that the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property.

"Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the father yells. "I don't know what to do!"

The Associated Press is not identifying the father in order to protect the daughter's identity. The AP does not identify victims of sexual assault.

The tense, nearly five-minute 911 call begins with the father saying that he "beat up" a man found raping his daughter. The father grows increasingly frazzled, cursing and crying into the phone so loudly at times that the call often becomes inaudible.

At one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive.

"He's going to die!" the father screams. "He's going to (expletive) die!" Shiner, a town of about 2,000 people about 80 miles west of San Antonio, revolves around the Spoetzl Brewery that makes Shiner, one of the nation's best-selling independent beers. Even gas stations here sell it on tap.

Flores' death is only the sixth homicide the sheriff's department has investigated in the last eight years, and half of those killings involved one triple-murder. Shiner residents boast their squeaky-clean image on a highway welcome sign: "The Cleanest Little City in Texas."

At Werner's Restaurant, customer Gail Allen said she didn't want to speak for all of Shiner, though her comments might as well have.

"The father has gone through enough," said Allen, 59, who has nine grandchildren. "The little girl is going to be traumatized for life, and the father, too, for what happened. He was protecting his family. Any parent would do that."

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 00:15:08
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +14
    Clearly he felt bad about that death. Some men don't know their own strength. And in his case, with his daughter in the mix, he doubled his strength without knowing it.

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  • Edwin 2012/06/21 05:33:40
    Edwin
    Assuming what the father claims is true, I have no problem with the ruling. On the other hand, I do worry about the claim.

    If the girl had gone into the chicken coop to feed the chickens, she could have fallen. If the man had happened by, he might have picked her up while she was screaming... and if the dad came by at that moment, he might have misunderstood the situation.

    Basically, there is no one available to tell the deceased man's side of the story.

    Further, if the man didn't do anything, the dad could still have beat him to death for any number of reasons (including boredom) then used this story as a cover. Again, the dead man can't speak up.

    Assuming the Grand Jury had physical evidence to really support the story, I can't fault the father.
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/21 11:38:03 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Did the guy's pants fall down around his ankles by accident? The man was on top of the girl! Did He fall too? Are you accusing the father of lying about what he found? I think you had best reevaluate your thoughts on this subject! Surely, the sheriff is a smart man, don't you think?
  • Edwin doofieg... 2012/06/24 17:43:18
    Edwin
    You sound very upset at my comments -- does skepticism bother you?

    "I think you had best reevaluate your thoughts on this subject!" Is this a threat or a command? Either way, it isn't really appropriate.

    Who said the guy's pants were down around his ankles? If there is corroborating evidence, then the dad's story is authenticated.

    And as for the sheriff -- *some* sheriffs are smart, some are dumb, some are not particularly interested in anything except getting re-elected or re-appointed.

    I heard from another source that there *was* actual physical evidence of a rape -- and they did a DNA test on it. Given that sort of evidence, I have absolutely no problem with the story. But when I made my post, I had heard of NO physical evidence, in all the sources I had seen. That is why I was skeptical -- not accusatory, just skeptical.
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/24 18:55:31 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite... I wlll find the original story in which the Sheriff states the man had his pants down. I see no threat in asking you to search out the facts before you speak.
  • Edwin doofieg... 2012/06/27 01:40:25
    Edwin
    Okay, so it was a command. Either way, I don't generally do what others try to make me do.

    And I never accused the man of lying. If you had told me you read a story in which the Sheriff had physical evidence that the man had his pants down prior to the beating I would certainly have acknowledged that.

    Perhaps your original post was not hostile and just sounded that way. Maybe you meant to tell me that you actually knew of the evidence, rather than just suggesting that the Sheriff was a pretty smart man.

    Personally I see nothing immoral, wrong, or otherwise improper with my speculation (and cynicism). I do not know any of the people involved, and my heart does go out to them. But plenty of people do bad things (like kill strangers) and try to shift the blame. I don't see why it upset you that I wondered aloud whether the man's story was true or not.
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/27 09:55:20
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Still don't have much comprehension do you? I ASKED , not Commanded nor ordered.
  • Edwin doofieg... 2012/06/27 15:21:54
    Edwin
    "I think you had best reevaluate your thoughts on this subject" does not sound like a request to me. But if all we are bickering about is semantics, let's let this drop.

    There are far too many stressful things in life for us to add another based simply on word styles.

    We both agree that the man should not have been charged, and we both hope his family can get some semblence of normalcy and health back again.
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/24 19:00:46
  • Risk 2012/06/20 12:20:34
    Risk
    +4
    " TEXAS ROCKS " !
  • doofieg... Risk 2012/06/20 13:26:20
  • aneed2know 2012/06/20 10:29:13
    aneed2know
    +1
    i think this is the first justice issue that i think i ever agreed with that has come out of Texas.
  • doofieg... aneed2know 2012/06/20 10:32:41
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Hi there! Haven't seen you in awhile! How is that lovely little one you had on your avatar for awhile? Your niece, wasn't she? Not everybody seems to agree with you!http://www.sodahead.com/u... I hope and pray they never have that choice to make!
  • aneed2know doofieg... 2012/06/20 10:37:59
    aneed2know
    i think you have me mixed up with some one else, my profile pic has been the same since i joined. but you are right about hoping that no one else has to make that choice.
  • doofieg... aneed2know 2012/06/20 11:54:11 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Didn't you once mention having a little niece, and for a very short time have a picture of her on your lap, maybe there was one on your profile? If I do have that wrong, I'm sorry! It was your Daughter, and the pic Is on your profile! Your son is in it too.. Cute kids!
  • aneed2know doofieg... 2012/06/21 04:33:21
  • doofieg... aneed2know 2012/06/21 11:50:47
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    LOL! I found the gentleman I had you confused with! Forgive me! It had been well over a year! Your kids are still cute kids!
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/20 10:05:28
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    GOOD!!!
  • Andrew 2012/06/20 08:35:14 (edited)
    Andrew
    +2
    For those of you who care, this is why we wait for the wheels of justice to turn. This is why none of us should come to conclusions about ANY case unless we have first hand knowledge and have witnesed the crime ourselves. This brings to mind the Zimmerman/Martin altercation and the fact that unless we were there and saw the whole scenario, we probably should wait to pass judgment on ANYONE on EITHER side! There are circumstances beyond our knowledge that will have profound influence on the final outcome!
  • Edwin Andrew 2012/06/21 05:37:00
    Edwin
    +1
    Agreed. I can think of any number of reasons the dad could have faked the incident to cover his beating of the man... but presumably the grand jury saw enough evidence to conclude the story was true.

    ...and I can say I'm truly glad I was not involved close enough to the case to really know what happened. In this situation, ignorance is closer to bliss for sure!
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/21 11:39:57
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    This has got to be one of the most ignorant replies I've ever seen!
  • Edwin doofieg... 2012/06/24 17:44:56
    Edwin
    Why? Because I understand that I didn't see the evidence? Because I know a lot of people out there like to frame others for their own crimes?

    Because I don't automatically assume the dad is the one who is right, without any facts to support that assumption?

    Or because I understand that I don't really *need* to know what went on and prefer not to know more?
  • doofieg... Edwin 2012/06/24 19:02:12
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Your kind is not worth wasting time on. Sorry I bothered to look up the things I did.
  • chgo 2012/06/20 05:41:25
    chgo
    Only in Texas. this is sick!
  • doofieg... chgo 2012/06/20 08:53:51
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    I think You are the sick one!
  • Lady Wh... doofieg... 2012/06/20 10:05:02
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    agreed
  • Lady Wh... chgo 2012/06/20 10:06:13
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    Oh, and like trying to RAPE a 4-YEAR OLD ISN'T??

    gimme a break
  • chgo Lady Wh... 2012/06/20 15:01:57
    chgo
    i'm saying it was sick to beat him to death. He didn't have to beat him to death.
  • doofieg... chgo 2012/06/20 15:42:31
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    He was in a rage. I wonder if you will ever care that much about someone?
  • Lady Wh... doofieg... 2012/06/20 16:00:32
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    agreed
  • chgo doofieg... 2012/06/20 16:26:23
    chgo
    genius, you can't put the law in your own hands. what's so hard for simpletons here to comprehend. in a civilized nation, punishing crimes or seeking justice outside of the legal system is a barbaric quality.
  • doofieg... chgo 2012/06/20 17:45:07
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Evidently, the LAW disagrees with you, dear. There will be no charges----------and everyone but you is glad about that!
  • chgo doofieg... 2012/06/20 19:44:54
    chgo
    "Evidently, the LAW disagrees with you, dear."

    Texas laws are a lot different than the rest. And remember You're talking about the same Texas who lost Civil War, the same Texas who lost all good sense, and the same Texas Where wrongful convictions are the norm (Texas Among Top 3 States in Total Exonerations).
    "...and everyone but you is glad about that!"

    This dumb poll is not a representation of what "everyone" feels. Most people I know and know of, if you ask them do you like SH, they'd say what the the hell is SH? This site is flooded with nothing but conservatards. America is not a conservative nation; it's a liberal one, like it or not.


    And your state is not exactly a role model for America: Texas recently beat Mississippi in a race to dead last in high school graduations. At the same time, Texas may 'boast' that it is 'number one' in executions, number 'one' in the number of children living in poverty, number one the number of murders per one thousand persons, number one in various forms of industrial pollution! Number one in the race to bottom.
  • doofieg... chgo 2012/06/20 23:19:38 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    REMEMBER THE ALAMO! DON'T TREAD ON ME! Texas is the best, even if I no longer live there. Come up with some proof and a few links, dear! I think you just Might be surprised at how well little ol' Texas is doing! Why don't you find a short pier, and take a very long walk? The decision has been made, and there is Nothing your sad little liberal self can do about it! BTW, If Texas is dead last in graduations, it is because of Odimwit's open borders policies! Those little illegal immigrants just can't or won't cut it!
  • aneed2know chgo 2012/06/20 10:34:52
    aneed2know
    +3
    how is this sick, the man was raping his daughter or that is what he is claiming? Are you a farther?
  • chgo aneed2know 2012/06/20 15:02:06
    chgo
    i'm saying it was sick to beat him to death. He didn't have to beat him to death.
  • Giacomo... chgo 2012/06/20 15:24:05
    Giacomo Skeate
    +3
    Of course he did! well I wouldn't have killed him but i'd have given him the beating of a lifetime. I'm not a father(yet), but if someone had raped my 7 year old niece, i would have paralysed him.
  • aneed2know Giacomo... 2012/06/21 04:35:33
    aneed2know
    +1
    as would anyone, but me i would just beat the hell out of them , if they died so be it.
  • Giacomo... aneed2know 2012/06/21 06:00:25
    Giacomo Skeate
    That's a good approach.
  • aneed2know chgo 2012/06/21 04:34:48
    aneed2know
    +1
    you know you dont know how you would react and i dont know, in fact no one knows. but i can tell you this if i had walked in on a grown man or any one on top of my 5 year old daughter. it would take an act of congress to pull me off his a$$. and that is the truth.
  • Dodgerfan 2012/06/20 04:13:54
    Dodgerfan
    That's what a hero is and none of this phoney crap people post sometimes. Now a lifetime of misery for the father and little girl to pay.

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