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Credit rating: another US downgrade

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/09/15 15:34:54
US government debt will be junk soon.
US government debt will not be junk.
We have the greatest insurance policy of all: a printing press.
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Never heard of Egan-Jones, I suppose. They're not one of the Big Boys (Moody's, Standard and Poor, and Fitch). But they are one thing that the Big Boys aren't: honest. Investors, not bond issuers, pay them.

And they just downgraded US government debt from AA to AA-.

Eh? What's that? Well, FYI, first they took the US government from AAA to AA+, back in June of last year. Last April, they took US government debt down to AA. Now it's AA-.

And why did they do that? Because the US government is acting like a deadbeat, that's why. "Quantitative easing," and indefinite, too! It won't do a thing for productivity, and it devalues the dollar.

And if we keep going like this..well, what say you?

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  • Racefish 2012/09/15 16:00:34 (edited)
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    Racefish
    +11
    The big problem is with a lower rating the interest rate will go up. That means more of the income will be wasted to pay interest on debt already accumulated. This has got to stop. This is what dealt the fatal blow to the German Republic in the '30s that made it possible for Hitler to become a dictator.

    At the time, the Mark became so devalued, you couldn't even carry low denomination note because it would require so many to purchase anything. That is called massive inflation.
    Borrowers love this since it takes far less time to pay back a loan. Lenders hate it since their initial investment is rendered valueless. Consequently, our present government would love to see it continue.
    Remember when the British Pound Sterling was devalued and they went to the "New Pound"? That could very well happen here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Free-floating pound

    With the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system, the pound floated from August 1971 onwards. It at first appreciated a little, rising to almost $2.65 in March 1972, from 2.42 when it had been fixed. The Sterling Area effectively ended at this time when the majority of its members also chose to float freely against the pound and the dollar.
    1976 sterling crisis

    James Callaghan came to power in 1976. He was immediately told the economy wa...


    The big problem is with a lower rating the interest rate will go up. That means more of the income will be wasted to pay interest on debt already accumulated. This has got to stop. This is what dealt the fatal blow to the German Republic in the '30s that made it possible for Hitler to become a dictator.

    At the time, the Mark became so devalued, you couldn't even carry low denomination note because it would require so many to purchase anything. That is called massive inflation.
    Borrowers love this since it takes far less time to pay back a loan. Lenders hate it since their initial investment is rendered valueless. Consequently, our present government would love to see it continue.
    Remember when the British Pound Sterling was devalued and they went to the "New Pound"? That could very well happen here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Free-floating pound

    With the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system, the pound floated from August 1971 onwards. It at first appreciated a little, rising to almost $2.65 in March 1972, from 2.42 when it had been fixed. The Sterling Area effectively ended at this time when the majority of its members also chose to float freely against the pound and the dollar.
    1976 sterling crisis

    James Callaghan came to power in 1976. He was immediately told the economy was facing huge problems, according to documents released in 2006 by the National Archives.[21] The effects of the 1973 oil crisis were still being felt, with inflation rising to over 27% in 1975.[22] Financial markets were beginning to believe the pound was overvalued and in April of that year The Wall Street Journal advised the sale of sterling investments in a story titled "Good-bye Great Britain". At the time the UK government was running a budget deficit and Labour's strategy emphasised high public spending. Callaghan was told there were three possible outcomes: a disastrous free fall in Sterling, an internationally unacceptable siege economy or a deal with key allies to prop up the pound while painful economic reforms were put in place. The US government feared the crisis could endanger NATO and the European Economic Community (EEC) and in light of this the US Treasury set out to force domestic policy changes. In November 1976 the International Monetary Fund (IMF) announced the conditions for a loan, including deep cuts in public expenditure.[23]
    1979–1989

    The Conservatives arrived in power in 1979, on a programme of fiscal austerity. Initially, the pound rocketed, moving above the $2.40 level, as interest rates rose in response to the monetarist policy of targeting money supply. The high exchange rate was widely blamed for the deep recession of 1981. Sterling fell sharply after 1980; at its lowest, the pound stood at just $1.03 in March 1985, before returning to the US$1.70 level in December 1989.
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  • STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL 2012/09/18 09:48:06
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    Counting both investor owned and off balance sheet debt, our sage federal government has accumulated debt amounting to 700% of GNP, and has virtually no liquid assets for collateral. I'm surprised the rating agencies haven't already downgraded it to junk.
  • safari 2012/09/18 08:28:20
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    safari
    +1
    Saw it coming and surprised it didn't happen sooner. This is the 3rd time.

    I am looking all over for someone to mention that and I can't find it, but it is the third downgrade.

    Stop blaming Bush, stop attacking Romney and start paying attention. The effects of the obama administration's decisions are ruining America.
  • Frank Stephens 2012/09/17 22:12:50
    We have the greatest insurance policy of all: a printing press.
    Frank Stephens
    +1
    Obama just continues to print more worthless money! He's a failed president with failed policies! Is anyone watching?
  • Magus BN-0 2012/09/17 21:42:49
    US government debt will not be junk.
    Magus BN-0
    Egan-Jones is even less relevant than most credit rating agencies.
  • BILL 2012/09/17 19:52:15
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    BILL
    +2
    This country is so far in the hole our Great Grandchildren will still be feeling the pinch and the Welfare Dead Beats, and Illegal Immigrants will be living high on the hog as usual.
    wai
  • GUAPO-(LMAO!) 2012/09/17 19:03:33
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    GUAPO-(LMAO!)
    +2
    AND THE STUPID OBAMA SUPPORTERS DON'T EVEN CARE!!!! THEY LOVE ALL THIS MESS OBAMA HAS CREATED. BUNCH OF ANTI-AMERICAN AHOLES!!!

    obama destroying america obama destroying america obama destroying america obama destroying america obama destroying america muslim obama for president
  • GUAPO-(... GUAPO-(... 2012/09/17 19:09:58
  • Magus BN-0 GUAPO-(... 2012/09/17 21:41:36
    Magus BN-0
    No, what America's AAA credit rating couldn't survive was the Tea Party.
  • Erok 2012/09/17 01:17:13
    God, gold, and guns!
    Erok
    +4
    George Soros is probably sitting in a corner licking his lips and jacking off to this news.....his puppet has almost completed his work and if re-elected for another term will certainly do so....Soros made his billions off the Brits when their economy tanked....he is just waiting for ours to do the same!!!
  • GUAPO-(... Erok 2012/09/17 19:04:41
  • DefendnProtect 2012/09/16 21:32:11
    We have the greatest insurance policy of all: a printing press.
    DefendnProtect
    +2
    LOL. worthless paper and digital funny money.

  • Næthan Æterna 2012/09/16 17:42:09
    We have the greatest insurance policy of all: a printing press.
    Næthan Æterna
    +2
    When in doubt, print more money! That's the Federal Reserves answer to everything! We just got another Credit down-grade and I hear talks of another $900 Billion stimulus coming down the pike.

    How much debt is it going to take to make people realize that our Country is under water in debt and drowning? $17 Trilliion? $20 Trillion??? Where does the madness end?
  • nightcrawler2005 2012/09/16 15:41:33
    I have another idea.
    nightcrawler2005
    +2
    U.S. politicians are like politicians everywhere all they give a damn about is getting reelected and won't do a bloody thing until their backs are against the wall. The sad thing is the worst things get the harder it will be to reverse the mess.
    I don't see anything done until your bonds are practically at junk bond status and either way when you do get out of this mess your going to have a hell of a lot less financial or political influence internationally.
  • Eddie 2012/09/16 15:06:04
    I have another idea.
    Eddie
    +1
    Fer 46 years I haven't played the "it takes credit to live" game. If I don't have the money for it then I can't afford it. And guess what? To this day I still don't live under a mountain of crushing debt.
    I think the country can take it. If it can't, then it doesn't live in the real world anymore and doesn't deserve to survive anyway.
  • Dan 2012/09/16 12:56:02
    God, gold, and guns!
    Dan
    +4
    In 2009 Tim Geithner told a group of Chinese students that "Chinese assets (in US debt) are very safe." The Chinese students openly laughed. I'm no expert on Chinese culture, but to me the laughter was much more than a casual chuckle. From what I've seen in Asian cultures, showing such casual open disrespect to guests is highly frowned upon. I think the laughter was open contempt for the obvious decline of the US dollar and the feeble denial of our own government to address or even acknowledge the seriousness of this issue.
  • Defendn... Dan 2012/09/16 21:39:04
    DefendnProtect
    +2
    It sure is. They always say yes yes, even if they mean no.
  • Andrew 2012/09/16 11:55:36
    God, gold, and guns!
    Andrew
    +5
    If the USA would slash spending, get rid of ALL entitlement programs, returning responsibility for such programs to private charities, adopted the Fair Tax and opened ALL US territiory to energy exploration and developement, we could and WILL recover from the sins of the past by both Democrats AND Republicans! Do we have the guts and wisdom to do this? I doubt it!
  • Dan Andrew 2012/09/16 13:41:18 (edited)
    Dan
    +2
    I dought it also. Too many voters addicted to entitlements.
  • Defendn... Andrew 2012/09/16 21:40:37
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    In addition we need to abolish these stupid wars and militarism around the globe.

    Get the 52.000 US troops out of Germany.
  • Andrew Defendn... 2012/09/17 00:52:50
    Andrew
    You can't abolish war! You can only defeat the enemy!
  • Defendn... Andrew 2012/09/17 01:02:56
    DefendnProtect
    There is no enemy in Germany.
  • GUAPO-(... Defendn... 2012/09/17 19:07:17
    GUAPO-(LMAO!)
    +1
    you are correct! get all our troops out from all the bases all over the world and let all these countries fend for themselves!! Screw them!!!
  • Defendn... GUAPO-(... 2012/09/18 16:31:14
    DefendnProtect
    Yep. No need for the US to bankrupt itself for German, Afghan or Israelite security.
  • robert 2012/09/16 11:18:46
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    robert
    +3
    I think 2013 is the year of reality. Most of the private sector's backlog of work and wealth will run out. We need politcal reform. We need to have referendum voting for our representation. The current government does not represent the intent of our founding fathers and is not functioning the way it was intended to. It is totally insane. We do not take care of the american people first we have become the worlds mule. It will take a calamity to wake up the obeese, spoiled, and comfortable american public. God have mercy on us.
  • jimmy robert 2012/09/16 13:21:56
    jimmy
    +1
    hell i thought we were already in calamity. Now with the feds printing 400 billion dollars a month tell who knowes when you can kiss the value of dollar and hello to INFLATION AND MORE DEBT.
  • Bevos 2012/09/16 11:13:36
    God, gold, and guns!
    Bevos
    +3
    VOTE THEM OUT NOV.6!! ALL of the Lib Dems. EVERY LAST ONE!!! THEY ARE ECONOMY DESTROYERS!!!
  • jimmy Bevos 2012/09/16 13:22:16
    jimmy
    YEPPER
  • johnnyg 2012/09/16 03:32:01
    We have the greatest insurance policy of all: a printing press.
    johnnyg
    +1
    I wonder why the wall street scumbag maggots from hell downgraded the federal reserve?? they are just downgrading themselves.
  • ajracestables1 2012/09/16 03:29:34
    I have another idea.
    ajracestables1
    +1
    Vote them out in November.
  • johnnyg ajraces... 2012/09/16 03:32:51
    johnnyg
    ROTFLMAO
  • GUAPO-(... johnnyg 2012/09/17 19:08:24
  • johnnyg GUAPO-(... 2012/09/19 14:50:36
    johnnyg
    +2
    The chair should run for pres!! LOL
  • GUAPO-(... johnnyg 2012/09/19 16:58:39
    GUAPO-(LMAO!)
    +2
    lols!!
  • lark 2012/09/16 02:50:16
    I have another idea.
    lark
    +2
    vote them out in Nov.
  • johnnyg lark 2012/09/16 03:33:04
    johnnyg
    ROTFLMAO
  • Oltom 2012/09/16 02:20:38
    US government debt will be junk soon.
    Oltom
    +1
    Even after this Obama still leads,what the heck is the matter with Americas?
    The President is a failure and America will fail if we don't vote him out!
  • johnnyg Oltom 2012/09/16 03:33:54
    johnnyg
    +1
    Romney will continue with the same
  • Bevos johnnyg 2012/09/16 11:15:10
    Bevos
    +1
    No he won't. HE has a brain!!!
  • Defendn... Bevos 2012/09/16 21:42:17
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    Why does he have the same program for the debt banksters?
  • Bevos Defendn... 2012/09/17 15:34:17
    Bevos
    Don't know what you are talking about.

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