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  • Soojin 2012/06/20 04:28:28
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    Soojin
    +4
    South Korean native here.

    We have a pretty big Christian population - way higher than anywhere else in Asia. And those who are Christians tend to be extremely devout in their belief. Our current president is a Christian who has typically been extremely hostile towards Buddhists and people of other/no religion (in addition to making countless other questionable decisions).

    Our country has a strong desire to follow Western (particularly American) culture. Religion is just one aspect that a large number of young people embrace. And they're gaining political power. I have utmost respect for my Christian friends here, but I will not tolerate this crap. We do not need to be abandoning science, especially as one of the top engineering and scientific countries in the world.

    Honestly, I just think it's a fad. Koreans are not traditionally Christian - it's a new development. But once our fetish for Western culture subsides, Christianity will probably disappear, as well.

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  • Uranos7 2012/06/20 18:44:43
    Gawd is reAL AND eVILOOTION IZ A lIE
    Uranos7
    The Society for Textbook Revise ran a petition to apply pressure on publishers to take out mentions of the evolution of the horse and of the Archaeopteryx - an ancestor of modern day birds - from secondary school textbooks last month, according to a report in Nature.
    The group, which is connected to the Korea Association for Creation Research, argued that there were conflicting debates in evolutionary research on the Archaeopteryx's capacity to fly.
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...

    Like most liberal posts this one is an exaggeration at best and a lie at worse. They are not removing all evolution just a couple of unproven parts of it.
  • America... Uranos7 2012/06/20 18:51:44
    American☆Atheist
    +1
    But evolution is a fact, all of it.
  • Uranos7 America... 2012/06/20 21:38:01
    Uranos7
    No it is a theory since it cannot be observed or recreated.
    You are confusing natural selection with evolution.
  • Kirino Uranos7 2012/06/20 22:33:54
    Kirino
    +1
    Thats not how a theory works, and evolution has been observed.

    A theory is highest grade an idea con obtain in science. Germ theory is a theory, but I doubt you would say we have never observed microbes leading to disease.

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  • Uranos7 Kirino 2012/07/09 17:34:51
    Uranos7
    Evolution has not been observed only natural selection. There have been no observed changes in class as in from fish to amphibian.
    Germ Theory is a good example of science being more objective than people like you. Germ Theory is still a theory because although almost all the diseases we know of are caused by micro-organism there are some which we do not know the cause of and we can theorize other possible causes ( such as the crystalline pathogen in the Andromeda Strain).
    Science has to keep it's mind open to other possibilities in order to advance. People stagnate their minds by accepting theories as factual.
  • Kirino Uranos7 2012/07/09 20:30:55 (edited)
  • America... Uranos7 2012/06/20 23:59:19
    American☆Atheist
    You don't even know what a theory is.
  • Uranos7 America... 2012/07/09 17:37:04
    Uranos7
    the·o·ry
    [ th əree ]
    1.rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
    2.speculation: abstract thought or contemplation
    3.idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture

    Obviously it is you who need to be reminded.
  • America... Uranos7 2012/07/09 20:31:23
    American☆Atheist
    Then you should realize that evolution is a theory and can be proven.
  • Kirino Uranos7 2012/07/09 20:33:31 (edited)
    Kirino
    +1
    We use the scientific defection went talking science, not the lay persons. Please stop talking about things you have no understanding of.

    A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

    -National academy of Sciences.
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/06/20 13:38:25
    Gawd is reAL AND eVILOOTION IZ A lIE
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    lol...funny answer. There is nothing to say the pic above isn't saying.
  • METALheadMom 2012/06/20 06:40:04
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    METALheadMom
    Both of these answers are stupid. Science should be based on fact, school curriculum should be based on fact, not the bible, and not darwin's bible
  • America... METALhe... 2012/06/20 18:22:43
    American☆Atheist
    Darwin wasn't christian.
  • Uranos7 America... 2012/06/20 18:45:20
    Uranos7
    Yes he was.
  • Radical Ed 2012/06/20 06:11:35
    Gawd is reAL AND eVILOOTION IZ A lIE
    Radical Ed
    +1
    shamfrul dispray!
  • Soojin 2012/06/20 04:28:28
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    Soojin
    +4
    South Korean native here.

    We have a pretty big Christian population - way higher than anywhere else in Asia. And those who are Christians tend to be extremely devout in their belief. Our current president is a Christian who has typically been extremely hostile towards Buddhists and people of other/no religion (in addition to making countless other questionable decisions).

    Our country has a strong desire to follow Western (particularly American) culture. Religion is just one aspect that a large number of young people embrace. And they're gaining political power. I have utmost respect for my Christian friends here, but I will not tolerate this crap. We do not need to be abandoning science, especially as one of the top engineering and scientific countries in the world.

    Honestly, I just think it's a fad. Koreans are not traditionally Christian - it's a new development. But once our fetish for Western culture subsides, Christianity will probably disappear, as well.
  • DFA 2012/06/20 04:03:13
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    DFA
    +1
    Oh my!
  • Scott 2012/06/20 04:00:37
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    Scott
    +1
    Fantastic. Maybe they'll work their way back to Americans a bit. I was just watching the news, and there was report on how much better Asian immigrants fare than the rest of us. If they keep teaching crap like this....
  • Kirino 2012/06/20 03:39:45
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    Kirino
    +2
    I never thought I would use this and actually mean it.

    north korea is best korea
  • Uranos7 Kirino 2012/06/20 18:48:01
    Uranos7
    Even if north Korean schools were better which they are not only 30% of the people are allowed to go past the 6th grade.
  • Kirino Uranos7 2012/06/20 22:19:07
    Kirino
    I would rather that then a school that doesn't teach evolution.
  • Uranos7 Kirino 2012/06/20 22:25:24
    Uranos7
    Then South Korea and our country would be in the same boat as North Korea who allows it's citizens to starve so they can pay for more weapons and even steal shipments of food meant for the poor to redirect them to their military.
  • Kirino Uranos7 2012/06/20 22:35:32
    Kirino
    Stopping some people from going past 6th grade =/= allows it's citizens to starve so they can pay for more weapons and even steal shipments of food meant for the poor to redirect them to their military.

    That sure is one slippery slope you are on.
  • Uranos7 Kirino 2012/07/09 17:39:31
    Uranos7
    You are already sliding down it if you prefer that to our current system.
  • socokid 2012/06/20 03:35:39
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    socokid
    +3
    LOL

    lol

    At least we're smarter than Turkey! ;-)
  • Uranos7 socokid 2012/06/20 18:50:26
    Uranos7
    Believing an unproven theory to be true does not make you smarter than anyone.
  • socokid Uranos7 2012/06/20 20:12:15
    socokid
    True, but then again, all theories are unproven. All of them. So, if that is your marker, you can start forgetting everything we collectively and currently understand.

    Scientific theories represent the pinnacle of understanding to explain a body of evidence. They will never, ever be "proven", and there is nothing for a scientific theory to "graduate" to. They will never be anything other than a "scientific theory". They will never become a law, etc..

    Understanding the clear and overwhelming evidence for evolution requires me to "believe" it as the best explanation regarding the phenomenon of biological diversity. The evidence compounding from 150 years of discovery by dozens of scientific fields and the revelation of wildly predictive, empirical, peer reviewed evidence to form a rare consensus in science, is simply to hard to just ignore, because I am a reasonable person.

    But, it gets worse...

    There is no competing scientific theory. None. Zero. Everything we discover in biology has either added to the scientific theory or changed it. This is how scientific theories work.

    "when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Ea...








    True, but then again, all theories are unproven. All of them. So, if that is your marker, you can start forgetting everything we collectively and currently understand.

    Scientific theories represent the pinnacle of understanding to explain a body of evidence. They will never, ever be "proven", and there is nothing for a scientific theory to "graduate" to. They will never be anything other than a "scientific theory". They will never become a law, etc..

    Understanding the clear and overwhelming evidence for evolution requires me to "believe" it as the best explanation regarding the phenomenon of biological diversity. The evidence compounding from 150 years of discovery by dozens of scientific fields and the revelation of wildly predictive, empirical, peer reviewed evidence to form a rare consensus in science, is simply to hard to just ignore, because I am a reasonable person.

    But, it gets worse...

    There is no competing scientific theory. None. Zero. Everything we discover in biology has either added to the scientific theory or changed it. This is how scientific theories work.

    "when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together"

    In short, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the Earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after.

    What actually happens is that once scientists get hold of a good concept they gradually refine and extend if with a greater and greater subtlety as their instruments of measurement improve. Theories are not so much wrong as incomplete."
    - Isaac Asimov

    Learn the terms as they are used in science.

    http://www.evolution.mbdojo.c...
    (more)
  • Uranos7 socokid 2012/06/20 21:41:08
    Uranos7
    Right and both evolution and creationism are incomplete theories that cannot be proven or disproven at our current technological level so teach both or none.
  • socokid Uranos7 2012/06/20 23:29:33
    socokid
    Right and both evolution and creationism are incomplete theories that cannot be proven
    Wrong, and you obviously did not read the link I gave you.

    1. Creationism is not a scientific theory in any way, shape or form. Not by definition, not by logic, not by reason. Period.

    2. We should only be teaching science in science class.

    3. No theory will ever be "complete". Ever. So once again, even mentioning this reality is childish, let alone meaningless.

    Your utterly faith based apologetics are showing...
  • Uranos7 socokid 2012/07/09 17:45:20
    Uranos7
    I did but your link refers to natural selection as evolution. natural selection is the improvement or change in a species to adapt to it's enviroment, evolution requires a change in species which has never been proven.
  • socokid Uranos7 2012/07/09 19:24:17
    socokid
    My link was only meant to define the term "theory", and you continue to use the word "proven" which is not something done in science. You clearly still do not understand what a "scientific theory" is. Evolution in the link was merely used as the example theory, because it is one that is often associated with this nonsense.

    requires a change in species which has never been proven.
    OMgoodness... are you being serious?

    The very fact that no offspring are mirror images of their parents is "evidence" that you are wrong. Your assumptions concerning phylogeny, let alone recent discoveries in this very area showing exactly what you are looking for, are lacking.

    Look, I'm sorry, bu you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and you seem to be fairly nice, so I am just going to leave you to your faith based assumptions and a great video on this topic that you "may" understand. It's "sciency", but not meant to scare you...

  • Mark In Irvine 2012/06/20 03:26:05
    Even in korea the south is dumb
    Mark In Irvine
    +2
    there are a lot of koreans who are way into believing the stuff in those bibles ... i chalk it up to their crappy recent history : the war with the north, the poverty and damage that followed the war ... and the "gospel of prosperity" is very attractive to people who have known its absence ... IMHO
  • Soojin Mark In... 2012/06/20 04:30:51
    Soojin
    +1
    The prevalence of Western culture has caused a number of young Koreans to convert to Christianity.
  • Mark In... Soojin 2012/06/20 19:55:41
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    dae-dan-hi kam-sa hamnida!
  • Soojin Mark In... 2012/06/21 04:26:44
    Soojin
    +1
    천만에요!!!
  • Mark In... Soojin 2012/06/21 16:10:58
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    jo-oon-har-roo-dey-ship-shi-yo!!
  • Soojin Mark In... 2012/06/21 16:12:15
    Soojin
    +1
    Haha, how do you know Korean? 어떻게 배우셨나요?
  • Mark In... Soojin 2012/06/21 16:19:37
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    i don't know very much, unfortunately ... i worked with many Korean people for several years, and had a client from Seoul who car-pooled with me from the suburbs into the big city, and i tried to learn from all of them ...

    i'm afraid i don't know what you have written, although I (think I) can read it:

    eo-deo-gay bey-oo jeo-na-yo??
  • Soojin Mark In... 2012/06/21 16:27:29
    Soojin
    +1
    Good job! I just asked how you learned Korean :)
  • Mark In... Soojin 2012/06/21 16:28:53
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    a-jik-to tam-bey pi-shim-ni-ka?

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