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Could Stricter Gun Control Laws Have Prevented the Arizona Shootings?

Politics 2011/01/10 13:00:00
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Newly minted Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) condemns the tragic shootings in Arizona over the weekend, but says we shouldn’t be too quick to blame gun control laws for the actions of one disturbed individual.

Rand spoke with Bret Baier on Fox News Sunday:

BAIER: “Senator Paul, Arizona is one of three states where you can carry a concealed weapon without a permit – Alaska and Vermont are the other two – is that at all in jeopardy do you think?”

PAUL: “No, I don’t think so. And interestingly, you know, Representative Giffords was a defender of the 2nd Amendment – is a defender of the 2nd Amendment – so no, I don’t think that plays into this at all. And really I think they’re unrelated.

“It’s probably about a very sick individual and what should have been done for that person. But the weapons don't kill people, it's the individual that kills – that killed these people.”

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  • Mark Jensen 2013/04/21 18:02:15
    No
    Mark Jensen
    I may be a little late to the party, but I hold a concealed carry permit in Arizona and my permit has reciprocity in 29 other states. It is NOT legal to carry a "concealed" firearm in Arizona without a permit. You may "openly" carry a gun, but you may not conceal it under your clothing or in the glove compartment of your car. Doing so "conceals" it and you MUST have a permit for truly "concealed" carrying of your firearm. You may have it loaded and in plain sight on the seat of your car. There are also certain restrictions where you can carry, whether concealed or open. You may not carry your weapon into any federal building, post office, or bank. You may not carry into a bar that serves alcohol. A recent exception to this regulation is you may carry your weapon into eating establishments that serve wine and beer. If you carry concealed without a permit issued by the State of Arizona, or a reciprocal state, you are guilty of a misdemeanor. And if you ever draw or brandish a weapon you better have a darned good reason for doing so. So, you see, Arizona isn't a state full of cowboys shooting up the streets. It is a very civilized and polite place where the bad guys never know who is carrying and who isn't. Unfortunately for Gabby Giffords, no-one in her crowd of le...
    I may be a little late to the party, but I hold a concealed carry permit in Arizona and my permit has reciprocity in 29 other states. It is NOT legal to carry a "concealed" firearm in Arizona without a permit. You may "openly" carry a gun, but you may not conceal it under your clothing or in the glove compartment of your car. Doing so "conceals" it and you MUST have a permit for truly "concealed" carrying of your firearm. You may have it loaded and in plain sight on the seat of your car. There are also certain restrictions where you can carry, whether concealed or open. You may not carry your weapon into any federal building, post office, or bank. You may not carry into a bar that serves alcohol. A recent exception to this regulation is you may carry your weapon into eating establishments that serve wine and beer. If you carry concealed without a permit issued by the State of Arizona, or a reciprocal state, you are guilty of a misdemeanor. And if you ever draw or brandish a weapon you better have a darned good reason for doing so. So, you see, Arizona isn't a state full of cowboys shooting up the streets. It is a very civilized and polite place where the bad guys never know who is carrying and who isn't. Unfortunately for Gabby Giffords, no-one in her crowd of lefties believed in personal self-defense or the responsibilities related to concealed carry and therefore, no-one was able to stop the carnage until the lunatic, would-be assassin emptied his magazine and attempted to reload. If a trained and armed concealed-carry permit holder had been in the crowd the bad guy might have been stopped a bit sooner. But this is just my "logical" approach to the observation. Everyone else seems too emotive and ignorant on the leftist-progressive side of the isle.
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  • RAC 2011/01/27 15:19:51
    No
    RAC
    There is only one so called "Gun Control" law on the books that makes any sense and it is that you do not intentionally sell a firearm to criminals, drug heads, mentally unstable people etc.The other estimated 25,000 "Gun Control" laws on the books would have done nothing to prevent this mans violent behavior. Had the moron Sheriff done his job this may have been prevented at least him acquiring a firearm but there are many other ways for a nut case to harm people!!

    Now here is a challenge to all you readers: Please construct a "Gun Control" law that would have prevented this man's actions. Explain in a rational manner how it would have mitigated his violent behavior?
  • Bo 2011/01/12 00:35:58
    No
    Bo
    +1
    Gun control would not change anything but this is a good springboard for those who seek to put and end to gun ownership,free speech and the ability to hold our Government to a Constitutional authority.
  • Michaelene 2011/01/11 22:04:39
    No
    Michaelene
    If someone had a gun there perhaps he could have been stopped before the psycho Gifford volunteer before he murdered and injured so many people.
  • tecknotron BN-0 RP2012 2011/01/11 21:40:51 (edited)
    No
    tecknotron BN-0 RP2012
    copy paste previous post... Someone else did attempt to shoot him. I don't know the details. Maybe if he was closer? The thing is I have looked at gun control data. I had some guy bugging me about Australia gun control being successful. That's funny because certain countries that have the highest number of guns/loosest controls have very low crime. I shared explanations but he wouldn't except that gun control is insignificant at crime/death reduction.
  • sha_lyn68 2011/01/11 14:50:51
    No
    sha_lyn68
    +1
    No, but more private citizens with concealed weapons could have stopped him before so many were shot. I sat and listened to one official from that area talking about how it was just a matter of time before something like this happened since some many in AZ walk around with guns. If AZ is still the wild west and so many walk around armed, why didn't someone take him out by shooting him instead of 1 woman and 2 men having to jump him?
  • Swt~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2011/01/11 12:43:43
    No
    Swt~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    A physco is just that.. A Physco! He would have just gotten one from the Ghetto somehow someway.. If there is a will there is a way! Dumb asz Libertards and their stoopid paranoia!
  • JCD aka... Swt~POT... 2011/01/11 13:30:32
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    What is a "physco"?
  • Coach Dale 2011/01/11 12:40:59
    No
    Coach Dale
    +1
    America does not need more gun laws (or ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL laws/restrictions). It is a tragedy to what happened to the senator, the little girl, and others. In my opinion it has nothing to do w/ political affilliation, nationality, race, or gender. As shot someone who covered all. This is about a disturbed young man and what led him to go so far as killing someone or wanting to kill someone. The only difference between this shooting and anyother shooting which happens across America on a daily basis is that the media has politized this event because of the senator. May God have mercy on his soul, and at the same time everyones prayers should be for those who were shot and with their families.
  • JCD aka... Coach Dale 2011/01/11 13:29:14
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    A "senator" has also been killed?
  • Coach Dale JCD aka... 2011/01/11 13:42:59
    Coach Dale
    +1
    Actually, she is a US Congresswoman, not a Senator. And she is alive and holding her own according to doctors.
  • Dick Walters 2011/01/11 11:52:48
    Yes
    Dick Walters
    +1
    Arizona has a law, that states, you can carry a concealed weapon, on your person, so that the good guys, can shoot the bad guys, before they, the bad guys, can shoot the good guys!
    At the shopping center where the event was taking place their were it was reported hundreds of people that were present at this political event that was taking place at this shopping center.
    So my question is,.... How come all of those people that were present at this event did not pull out their concealed weapon, and shoot the bad guy before he could do so much damage?
    The reason for this concealed weapon's law in Arizona was so that the good guys could get the drop on the bad guys and kill this bad guy before he can do any damage!
    It seems to me that the "Concealed Weapons Law," doesn't amount to a "hill of beans," because this population at this event that numbered in the hundreds seemed to be at the mercy of this bad guy, that did his worst and was not prevented from doing so, by a population that had the right to carry a concealed weapon, and because most of the Arizona population caries a concealed weapon without needing to get a permit to do so! they still were at this particular political rally, not able to protect themselves.
    The way I see it, the concealed gun law should be repealed because it is not effective in doing what it is advertised to do!
  • Jeb Rob... Dick Wa... 2011/01/11 12:12:10
  • Coach Dale Dick Wa... 2011/01/11 12:49:00
    Coach Dale
    +1
    Having the "RIGHT" to carry a gun doesn't mean you are "REQUIRED" to carry a gun. What happened to the senators support team? What te law in Arizona means is that ANYONE can conceal a weapon, regardless of their mental capacity, political affiliation, sexual preference etc... It has nothing to do w/ people who want to have 100% gun control, etc... And finally, carrying a "CONCEALED WEAPON" doesn't mean you are brave enough to draw it from holster and shot another human being, regardless of what they are doing.
  • Dick Wa... Coach Dale 2011/01/12 09:37:55
    Dick Walters
    +1
    Coach, where did you place your ability to reason, in a rational way?

    Even stupid people know that when you have "HUNDREDS, of people in a pistol toting state, where the majority of the population are carrying their concealed weapon on their person because it is legal to do so, so they did so, and despite all of those "Annie Oaklies" and "Wild Bill Hickocks" among those HUNDREDS almost a thousand of people at that political event, not one out of almost one thousand people at that event could get off one lousy shot, before the killer was able to shoot off an entire clip of 35 bullets into the victims at the political rally inside the shopping center.

    The rationalization for enacting the law that allows the population of Arizona to carry concealed weapons, without having to get a permit to do so, was that if the population of the state was "CARRYING" that the criminal types would not feel safe to commit crimes, in the state of Arizona, because of the abject fear of the armed population!

    It appears that the arming of the population in this particular case did not work.

    I question if it will ever work, because people generally don't like to "KILL" other people.

    Even when the subject to be killed is a real bad guy!
  • Coach Dale Dick Wa... 2011/01/12 12:20:51
    Coach Dale
    +1
    Correct. Why didn't the federal judge use his gun? Wasn't there police on the scene for crowd control? Doesn't the secret service provide agents at political rallies? SO, based on your writing, the democrats will carry guns, but not use them? It has nothing to do with the state that was involved, nor the congresswoman, federal judge (Bush Appointee), the beuatiful little 9 yr oldgirl who was wanting to go into politics, nor the mall (inside or outside). It has to do with at a minimuum ONE DERRANGED MAN and what was going inside his head. It might have been political, but at this time we (general public) do not know.
  • Dave PO... Dick Wa... 2011/01/12 12:50:17
    Dave POTL-PWCM-JLA
    +1
    So the fact that no one took advantage of their right to carry arms is enough for you to want to repeal the law? Maybe this incident will be a wake up call and a few more people will actually carry guns in the future. Or, maybe they should repeal the law as you suggest, leaving people without the choice to defend themselves, and further depending on the the government to defend them.
    I think just the opposite that you do. I think this should serve as an example of WHY we have the concealed weapons laws, and it should be a reminder to people to carry their weapons at all times.
  • Dick Wa... Dave PO... 2011/01/13 08:02:09
    Dick Walters
    When you arm the population you are setting up a situation for armed rebellion, tribal and gang warfare, and revenge killing, on a scale that can amount to genocide!

    The excuse that the general population needs to be armed to protect us from the government, is an excuse that the paranoid "RIGHT WINGERS" use, because they believe that "the government is out to get us, and we must be armed to protect us from the government!"

    The constitution does not give the permission for the general population to be armed so that they can overthrow the government, despite what the idiot Right Wingers say.

    If the time comes when the government truly becomes a threat to the general population, their are plenty of gun runners in the world that will gladly take your money and supply you with what you need to overthrow the government. But don't expect the government to assist you in this enterprise of government overthrow.

    And get over the crazy idea that the "Constitution" allows for State Militias, or Private Militias to overthrow the Federal Government!

    Their are at the present time enough crazies in America, that have as a trusted friend. the powerful "American Gun Lobby" that appear to be working against the american people, so that they can make for their clients blood money, by cuddling up to the paranoid "Right Wing" Militia Movement, and making them crazier than they already are!
  • Rick4Ro... Dick Wa... 2011/01/14 02:37:27
    Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012
    So, are you one of those, who feels prohibition works? Do you truly believe we would have any more success, with guns, than we have had with alcohol and drugs? I think, not!

    Perhaps, you remember that old expression... "If guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns!"

    The Declaration of Independence, serves and reminds us as citizens, today!

    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    With this, as our directive to maintain... giving up our arms, seems rather counter-productive, to doing so, if needed?

    The Constitution... Bill of Rights

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    They're not specifying military, or government employee's, only? "The people"

    "Militia," appears to be a gray area, between states and feds, regarding employment in the service of?

    Clearly, the citizens are granted the liberty to possess and "Bear" arms. It's not difficult to imagine why?

    You will never succeed in disarming the nation.
  • Dave PO... Dick Wa... 2011/01/14 23:36:14
    Dave POTL-PWCM-JLA
    When you arm the population? The population is already armed, wake up!! You dont think the gangs and various thugs are not already armed? All your gun control laws you want passed will not change a thing.
    And who said anything about overthrowing the government? The "Right Wing" that you have pegged so wrongly, has access to as many guns as they want, lawful or unlawful. Your gun control laws will work about as well as prohibition did.
    The second amendment talks about the right to bear arms as a last line of defense regardless of who the intruders are.
    Your generalizing the "Right Wing" as you do is ignorance.
    Your talking about the extremists and throwing the whole lot of us in with them....
    Your general response is typical physco babble from a leftwinger that believes the government is the end all to every problem in America.
    It wasnt and isnt the government that makes America great, it always was and always will be the people. Us "Right Wingers" have faith and confidence in the American people, and believe the government has greatly overreached its bounds. The government needs to butt out, as most of our problems can be solved via American people and free enterprise.
  • joy Dave PO... 2011/01/24 14:50:01
    joy
    you say he is generalizing of the right wing ???? what do you think you are doing? "Your general response is typical physco babble from a leftwinger that believes the government is the end all to every problem in America. ". i am just curious, Do you really think we should put a gun in any ones hands..
  • NidStyles 2011/01/11 10:54:35
    No
    NidStyles
    +1
    Had on person on the scene been carrying as it is legal in AZ, that guy never would have gotten the chance to kill so many.
  • Revenge NidStyles 2011/01/11 11:44:58
  • NidStyles Revenge 2011/01/11 11:52:09
    NidStyles
    +4
    Nope never killed anyone on American soil, certainly never hope to be put in that situation. Take your silly mind games elsewhere please, because they will not work on me.
  • Coach Dale NidStyles 2011/01/11 12:53:32
    Coach Dale
    YOU KNOW that this is awefully wrong, sick, and hurtful. Do you not have the decency and respect for this little girl who was shot and later died, and even her family?
  • NidStyles Coach Dale 2011/01/11 21:13:52
    NidStyles
    Have you read my comment, and the one that insulted me? You are just another Liberal Fruitcake that hasn't listened to her parent's wishes aren't you..
  • Jeb Rob... Revenge 2011/01/11 12:16:02
  • paleblu... NidStyles 2011/01/12 10:14:36
    palebluemote
    +1
    There's nothing like a tragedy to promote your inane political opinion. Stay classy, NidStyles.
  • NidStyles paleblu... 2011/01/13 16:59:04
    NidStyles
    Nothing like idiocy to be a hypocrite.
  • Ken NidStyles 2011/01/17 20:07:50
    Ken
    There was person on the scene with a gun. Specifically one of the individuals who wrestled the shooter to the ground was carrying.
  • NidStyles Ken 2011/01/18 13:11:17
    NidStyles
    He was in a store nearby, he wasn't on the scene.
  • Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA 2011/01/11 10:28:55
    No
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    Rand Paul is exactly right.
  • Revenge Purple ... 2011/01/11 11:44:28
  • Purple ... Revenge 2011/01/11 11:49:30
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    How long will the lefty sock puppets keep up with thier lying propaganda?

    You know the Tea Party had nothing to do with this. Is your leftist agenda so weak that it can't stand on truths and you have to purport such BS?
  • Revenge Purple ... 2011/01/11 12:07:05
  • Hawkeye Purple ... 2011/01/11 13:14:07
    Hawkeye
    +2
    Revenge is a PIG to USE this Image to perpetuate LIES.. If there is ANY truth to provacative hate speech and the despicable lack of character behind it,, HE is a PRIME Example of it..
  • Michaelene Hawkeye 2011/01/11 22:08:25
    Michaelene
    lots of moderated loony left comments on here and on the air too.
  • paleblu... Michaelene 2011/01/12 10:17:15
    palebluemote
    +3
    If only they'd have moderated the loony right comments over the past two years. Maybe then we wouldn't have had to deal with this situation. Oh, that's right, even when the right has blood on its hands, it prefers to weasel around rather than admit its wrong. Way to have honor, guys.
  • Michaelene paleblu... 2011/01/12 19:13:57
    Michaelene
    +1
    Blood is on no ones hands but the shooter. Stop the spin and accept reality, no one is buying the bs anymore.
  • Dave PO... Purple ... 2011/01/12 12:59:09
    Dave POTL-PWCM-JLA
    +2
    The left will always use whatever lies and half truths they feel are necessary in order to further implement complete and absolute control over the people.
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