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Cops Already Know the Sore with The Zimmerman Martin Case.

Manuel 2012/05/18 19:14:58

It seems Zimmerman had a desire to play cop that dark rainy night. He may claim Martin was the aggressor but things are very slowly coming to light in all this.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial man who speaks no Spanish or knows nothing of the Hispanic, Mexican Latino cultures. His family doesn't celebrate any of the Hispanic holidays such Cinco de Mayo etc.....

Zimmerman was as American as they come in black and White. He didn't have any foreign Hispanic Mexican or Latino friends. His friends were made up of American black and White people...So when it comes to this he was a Hispanic man...that's not true in his inside...He was raised like a white or black kid in America.

This possibly explains his racism for Mexicans and blacks he does not approve of because of dress wear; and anything that he sees in his type of profiling when it comes to blacks and other Hispanics, that don't to look right in his assumptions of them.

Zimmerman...who decided to play cop that night being a volunteer for the
neighborhood watch committee claimed that he shot Martin in
self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to
the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's
gun. Which is hard to believe being it was concealed in the first place. Authorities seem to agree on that if Zimmerman pulled out the gun on the teen from the original distance ,the teen would have never attacked him. Or another theory is ...Zimmerman did take out his gun and had words with the teen and after putting his gun back in his holster and turned his back to get back in his truck, the teen jumped him....But both theories would still place Zimmerman at fault as the aggressor..


The documents start with a criticism of pointing out of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager after he was told not to do that by the 911 operators.. He said to them this guy was looking suspicious...which is the reason he was told to not follow the man as they were already sending a police unit out to where he was located..


The lead investigating
officer wrote
for the police that came that night said they thought "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was
ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, If Zimmerman had remained in his
vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement,"


Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let
police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while
returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and
attacked by Martin.

But none of this was said that night because he already told police where to meet him. This was added later and not in the original reports of that night. The State's attorneys say this was added as an attempt to cover his tracks. Therefore it may not be admitted on the day of the trail.

But whether it is or not...Zimmerman's defense lawyer(s) will be hard pressed to give a clear logical reason on why Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

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  • bob 2012/05/18 19:40:56
    bob
    +3
    Zimmerman just wanted to bag himself a black and use the right to murder law as his defense

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  • Marvelo... Family ... 2012/05/20 02:01:14
    Marvelous Wildfire
    I agree!
    There is something wrong, when a politician goes into office nearly penny-less, and in 4 short years making 1/4 million dollars a year, they are worth millions.

    Have a great day!
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 06:33:55
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 07:28:01
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Totally irrelevant.

    My Klan post is correct.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/13 06:42:33
    Manuel
    only in your head it correct....The Ku Klux Klan was formed and continue to be supported by the Democrats who were conservatives, Good old Boys, Dixiecrats...and now Blue dogs....plus a good amount of conservative Republicans were in it as well over it's long history...

    You will never find a moderate Republican or Liberal Democrat in the KKK or any other white racist groups...
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/13 06:52:42
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . whatever.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 05:16:13
    Manuel
    first off...I wouldn't let anybody knock me down...because I would have not been that stupid to get that close...or get out of my car...lol....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 06:05:29
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Shoulda, coulda, woulda is irrelevant.

    Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to allow Martin to murder him.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 06:34:52
    Manuel
    Zimmerman murdered Trayvon....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 07:28:56
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Not at all.
    Zimmerman saved his own life from a violent attacker: Self Defense.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/13 06:45:49
    Manuel
    Zimmerman approached Martin...and wracked Trayvon in his head first...the girl on the cell phone with Martin heard the conversation and then the hit...which broke Martins ear phone.....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/13 06:53:53
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Did a unicorn tell you that?

    Sorry, there is absolutely nothing to support that claim.
  • Schläue~© SW 2012/05/19 09:32:10
  • Family ... Schläue~© 2012/05/19 19:52:51
  • Family ... Schläue~© 2012/05/20 04:42:33
    Family Ryan
    +1
    Hey Man, Get the original version ad post it for your sake of being a truth teller. WE really want to hear this. I am very serious because, you are really starting something maybe you should not. There are people that very tired of misinformation. Please prove your words as a man would!
  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/06/12 05:28:12
    Manuel
    wtf?...you got to be kidding...the only reason why this case got attention, is because the Martins cared about their son wanted to know why their son was killed. The father called the police to file a missing person's report and found out the John Doe they had was his son!
    The cops were ready to just write it off and file it in the trash bin... They never bothered to check who the kid was....they never took pictures of how his body was on the ground or recovered the bullet cases...two shots were fired so where did the other bullet go?...it was not in the body. The cops did a sloppy bad job here.And they just took Zimmerman's acount of what went on and just beleive him with no questions asked....if it was a white kid...everything would have been done by the book and Zimmerman would have got locked up that nite...no matter what his story was....
  • Family ... SW 2012/05/19 19:45:46 (edited)
    Family Ryan
    +1
    Slap!!! Perfect point!
  • Manuel SW 2012/06/12 05:12:45
  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/05/19 02:20:29
    Manuel
    +1
    getting out of his car is the real point being made here....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/05/19 04:20:05
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    Was getting out of his car an illegal act in Florida?
    No.

    Was keeping Martin in sight until the police could eventually get there an illegal act that you can support with the Florida law?
    No.
    Zimmerman may be a racist, Zimmerman may be a cop-wanna-be, Zimmerman may be a dirtbag, Zimmerman may be a "Glory Hound" . . . it is all IRRELEVANT, all that matters is if Zimmerman acted in accordance with the LAW that day.

    Here's what the Florida law on the use of deadly force actually states pertaining to Martin and Zimmerman:
    776.013 (3) A person who *is not engaged in an unlawful activity* and *who is attacked* *in any other place where he or she has a right to be* has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force *if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself* or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    (*emphasis mine.)

    What this states is that what matters:
    Was Zimmerman engaged in an unlawful activity? No. (Getting ou of his car was a legal act.)
    Was Zimmerman attacked in a place he had a right to be? Yes it appears so.
    When Zimmerman was on his back, being punched in the face as he screamed for help; would a reasonable person believe it was necessary to shoot in order so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself? YES of course!
  • Family ... Marvelo... 2012/05/19 19:54:54
    Family Ryan
    +1
    How are you doing. But on the contrary, If I tell you not to do something and I was a law enforcement personnel and you did what you wanted, I would say, Its your fault. when I have it on tape. Come on man. look at the evidence. Please. I think you a nice friend, but you have to see this.
  • Marvelo... Family ... 2012/05/19 23:09:54
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You state: "If I tell you not to do something and I was a law enforcement personnel and you did what you wanted, I would say, Its your fault. when I have it on tape."

    If you can't see and assess the actual situation, you'd have no authority to order a free citizen to do or not do anything.

    You state: "Come on man. look at the evidence."

    Yes! Let's look at the evidence:
    1) The 911 operator or even a police dispatcher has *NO LEGAL AUTHORITY* to order anything.
    2) Listen to the call again, the person Zimmerman was speaking to *NEVER* ordered Zimmerman not to follow Martin. ("I don't think we need you to follow . . . " is a *SUGGESTION* and not an order.)

    You state: "Please. I think you a nice friend, but you have to see this."

    Some very important points that must be considered:
    1) Detectives, sometimes unofficially, get "points" for each serious arrests they make. If the person is proven innocent, they still get "credit" for the collar.
    So I understand why "The lead detective wanted to arrest Zimmerman that night!"

    2) You may have seen evidence that I have missed, and I'd really like to be corrected if I'm wrong. But I can't seem to find a single Florida law Zimmerman violated or anything that would contradict that Zimmerman acted accordingly with Florida's self-defense law.
    Can you point out what I missed, and the Florida law that supports it?
    Thank You very much!

    Have a great day!
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 05:57:59
    Manuel
    You seem to think that Martin was the one who was 100 pecent wrong...
    Sure, your right...there is no law about getting out of a car...sure Zimmerman got out of his car...after he said this kid looked like he was on drugs and looking suspicious... How could he tell that?...he never mentioned that the kid was walking funny...or out of step...or what he was up to...


    So why did he get out of his car if this big black guy was way taller them him and looked so dam dangerous ?...simple, he had a concealed gun on his person...and that makes pussies like him think they are tough and big and bad... I really doubt Trayvon went up to him... because the police have the phone call between Trayvon and his girl friend...the phone call proves Trayvon was trying to walk away from Zimmerman...who caught up with him by his car by passing the kid and got out of his car and started walking in the kid's path...then it all goes blank...

    That shows Zimmerman was the aggressor.....and Martin many have every right to defend himself from a person he had no knowledge of being a neighborhood watch person ...Zimmerman had nothing on him to show this kid...and Zimmerman had to get so close to this kid and that along was a threat to Trayvon...

    This is also why the Stand your Ground Law may not apply to Zimmerm...

    You seem to think that Martin was the one who was 100 pecent wrong...
    Sure, your right...there is no law about getting out of a car...sure Zimmerman got out of his car...after he said this kid looked like he was on drugs and looking suspicious... How could he tell that?...he never mentioned that the kid was walking funny...or out of step...or what he was up to...


    So why did he get out of his car if this big black guy was way taller them him and looked so dam dangerous ?...simple, he had a concealed gun on his person...and that makes pussies like him think they are tough and big and bad... I really doubt Trayvon went up to him... because the police have the phone call between Trayvon and his girl friend...the phone call proves Trayvon was trying to walk away from Zimmerman...who caught up with him by his car by passing the kid and got out of his car and started walking in the kid's path...then it all goes blank...

    That shows Zimmerman was the aggressor.....and Martin many have every right to defend himself from a person he had no knowledge of being a neighborhood watch person ...Zimmerman had nothing on him to show this kid...and Zimmerman had to get so close to this kid and that along was a threat to Trayvon...

    This is also why the Stand your Ground Law may not apply to Zimmerman...because he got so close to Martin which proves that Zimmerman's life was not in danger...it only became a problem because he provoked it by getting too close to Trayvon...Stand your ground means you stand your ground...not walk into some one else ground and shoot them...

    It's dark it's raining...and some one is following me in their car....and then passes me and get out and walks on the path I am on towards me....WTF? Don't get close to me because I don't know who you are....then you get up in my face and I knock you down and you then shoot me?...F-you...That is wrong....
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  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 07:25:42
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You state: "You seem to think that Martin was the one who was 100 pecent wrong..."

    How in the hell did you come to that stupid conclusion?
    Martin's being right or wrong is irrelevant to the situation.

    Zimmerman's action when he was violently attacked, is all that matters.

    You state: "Sure, your right...there is no law about getting out of a car...sure Zimmerman got out of his car...after he said this kid looked like he was on drugs and looking suspicious... How could he tell that?...he never mentioned that the kid was walking funny...or out of step...or what he was up to..."

    Irrelevant.
    Do you believe Zimmerman was under a legal obligation to allow Martin to kill him?

    You ask: "So why did he get out of his car if this big black guy was way taller them him and looked so dam dangerous ?...simple, he had a concealed gun on his person...and that makes pussies like him think they are tough and big and bad... I really doubt Trayvon went up to him... because the police have the phone call between Trayvon and his girl friend...the phone call proves Trayvon was trying to walk away from Zimmerman...who caught up with him by his car by passing the kid and got out of his car and started walking in the kid's path...then it all goes blank..."

    Irrelevant.
    Zimmerman was under no obligation to allow Ma...














    You state: "You seem to think that Martin was the one who was 100 pecent wrong..."

    How in the hell did you come to that stupid conclusion?
    Martin's being right or wrong is irrelevant to the situation.

    Zimmerman's action when he was violently attacked, is all that matters.

    You state: "Sure, your right...there is no law about getting out of a car...sure Zimmerman got out of his car...after he said this kid looked like he was on drugs and looking suspicious... How could he tell that?...he never mentioned that the kid was walking funny...or out of step...or what he was up to..."

    Irrelevant.
    Do you believe Zimmerman was under a legal obligation to allow Martin to kill him?

    You ask: "So why did he get out of his car if this big black guy was way taller them him and looked so dam dangerous ?...simple, he had a concealed gun on his person...and that makes pussies like him think they are tough and big and bad... I really doubt Trayvon went up to him... because the police have the phone call between Trayvon and his girl friend...the phone call proves Trayvon was trying to walk away from Zimmerman...who caught up with him by his car by passing the kid and got out of his car and started walking in the kid's path...then it all goes blank..."

    Irrelevant.
    Zimmerman was under no obligation to allow Martin to kill him.

    You state: "That shows Zimmerman was the aggressor.....and Martin many have every right to defend himself from a person he had no knowledge of being a neighborhood watch person ...Zimmerman had nothing on him to show this kid...and Zimmerman had to get so close to this kid and that along was a threat to Trayvon..."

    Irrelevant.
    Zimmerman was under no obligation to allow Martin to kill him.

    You state: "This is also why the Stand your Ground Law may not apply to Zimmerman...because he got so close to Martin which proves that Zimmerman's life was not in danger...it only became a problem because he provoked it by getting too close to Trayvon...Stand your ground means you stand your ground...not walk into some one else ground and shoot them..."

    Irrelevant.
    Zimmerman was under no obligation to allow Martin to kill him.

    You state: "It's dark it's raining...and some one is following me in their car....and then passes me and get out and walks on the path I am on towards me....WTF? Don't get close to me because I don't know who you are....then you get up in my face and I knock you down and you then shoot me?...F-you...That is wrong...."

    Irrelevant.
    Zimmerman was under no obligation to allow Martin to kill him.
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  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/13 06:59:48
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/13 13:58:32
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/14 01:00:20
    Manuel
    This case will not have lies or planted evidence...those are the lessons... all the dross will come out of the silver....Zimmerman's case is slowly melting away with questions he cannot answer and will wind up taking the 5th amendment...a sure sign of being guilty.
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/14 03:45:06
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Not under U.S. law.
  • Schläue~© Manuel 2012/05/19 09:51:41
    Schläue~©
    +1
    And where in Florida statute or anywhere else for that matter does getting out of your vehicle justify someone attacking you for no damn reason?
    Do you even grasp how absurd that sounds?

    If that becomes the new standard, to legally start throwing blows on someone, we're in for one helluva ride and we may as well get rid of assault & battery and attempted murder from our legal system.

    I don't care if Zimmerman was walking 6 feet behind him, calling him every name in the book. That STILL does not give someone the right to get into a physical altercation and attack you.

    According to Florida law, Zimmerman was nowhere near the definition of stalking and the prosecution doesn't even have a case on that.

    Code Section 784.048
    Stalking Defined as

    Willful, malicious, and repeated following or harassing. (704.048(2)); Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury; or willfully, maliciously, repeatedly follows or harasses minor under 16; or after injunction for protection or any court-imposed prohibition of conduct, knowingly, willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another person.

    Punishment/Classification

    Sentencing/fines: apply 775.082, 083,084 Stalking misdemeanor is 1st degree Aggravated stalking is felony of the 3rd degree 784.048(3), (4) and (5)
  • AGPhillbin Schläue~© 2012/06/07 00:05:03
  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/06/12 06:39:20
    Manuel
    I don't care if Zimmerman was walking 6 feet behind him, calling him every name in the book. That STILL does not give someone the right to get into a physical altercation and attack you.

    Zimmerman drove pass him and then walked on the path the kid was on towards him....he invaded Martin's space....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 14:10:05
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Still not a crime. (Pssst! Walking on the same sidewalk as another does not constitute an "invasion of space".)
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/13 07:01:58
    Manuel
    pssst! but walking up to some one on that same sidewalk and clocking then in the head constitutes an "invasion of space"
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/13 14:00:41
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Psst!
    Martin's autopsy doesn't support your claim.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/14 01:07:12
    Manuel
    Psst Martin's autopuy does, because two shots were fired...which proves after Zimmerman hit him and then got his ass knocked to the ground the first shot fired and missed this kid so he jumped on Zimmerman because he was fighting for his life. He knew he could not out run a bullet...one shot would be in Zimmerman's favor...but two?..he's a .murderer...
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/14 03:45:54
    Marvelous Wildfire
    There was only one shot, and the bullet didn't exit the body.
  • AGPhillbin Schläue~© 2012/05/19 19:24:40 (edited)
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    It wasn't "debunked." "Debunking" would mean proven false. It wasn't. It was simply demonstrated that other editing techniques don't give the same result as reducing the background noise and amplifying Z's voice, which is the "creative editing" technique to which you refer. So we still don't know 100% what Z whispered under his breath, and it really has no bearing on what happened.
  • Manuel Family ... 2012/05/19 02:19:37 (edited)
    Manuel
    +1
    it's possible...having a gun and his private interpretation of the stand your ground law made him want to play cop that night...what a douche....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/05/19 04:21:34
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    Or more likely; without the gun, Zimmerman would have just been another violent crime murder statistic.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 06:49:44
    Manuel
    no dude...without his gun that pussy would have stayed in his car...are you really that naive? Trayvon wasn't out looking for trouble...he was like a block away coming back from the store....and by the way...if Trayvon was a thief or a guy looking for trouble, he could have robbed the guy in the store being he had his hoodie on and his face can't be seen at all...and no one else was in the store at the time he was in it. He paid for his stuff,hardly the act of a thief or troublemaker.......sorry your wrong about this kid...he's no angel and has his problems...but stealing and robbing and doing hold up are not part of him...he has no police record in his pass indicating any of these kinds of crimes...lol....he has no police record or rap sheet....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 07:31:40
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You state: "no dude...without his gun that pussy would have stayed in his car...are you really that naive?"

    Doesn't matter, Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to allow Martin to kill him.

    You state: "Trayvon wasn't out looking for trouble...he was like a block away coming back from the store....and by the way...if Trayvon was a thief or a guy looking for trouble, he could have robbed the guy in the store being he had his hoodie on and his face can't be seen at all...and no one else was in the store at the time he was in it. He paid for his stuff,hardly the act of a thief or troublemaker.......sorry your wrong about this kid...he's no angel and has his problems...but stealing and robbing and doing hold up are not part of him...he has no police record in his pass indicating any of these kinds of crimes...lol....he has no police record or rap sheet...."

    Doesn't matter, Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to allow Martin to kill him.

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