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Cops Already Know the Sore with The Zimmerman Martin Case.

Manuel 2012/05/18 19:14:58

It seems Zimmerman had a desire to play cop that dark rainy night. He may claim Martin was the aggressor but things are very slowly coming to light in all this.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial man who speaks no Spanish or knows nothing of the Hispanic, Mexican Latino cultures. His family doesn't celebrate any of the Hispanic holidays such Cinco de Mayo etc.....

Zimmerman was as American as they come in black and White. He didn't have any foreign Hispanic Mexican or Latino friends. His friends were made up of American black and White people...So when it comes to this he was a Hispanic man...that's not true in his inside...He was raised like a white or black kid in America.

This possibly explains his racism for Mexicans and blacks he does not approve of because of dress wear; and anything that he sees in his type of profiling when it comes to blacks and other Hispanics, that don't to look right in his assumptions of them.

Zimmerman...who decided to play cop that night being a volunteer for the
neighborhood watch committee claimed that he shot Martin in
self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to
the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's
gun. Which is hard to believe being it was concealed in the first place. Authorities seem to agree on that if Zimmerman pulled out the gun on the teen from the original distance ,the teen would have never attacked him. Or another theory is ...Zimmerman did take out his gun and had words with the teen and after putting his gun back in his holster and turned his back to get back in his truck, the teen jumped him....But both theories would still place Zimmerman at fault as the aggressor..


The documents start with a criticism of pointing out of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager after he was told not to do that by the 911 operators.. He said to them this guy was looking suspicious...which is the reason he was told to not follow the man as they were already sending a police unit out to where he was located..


The lead investigating
officer wrote
for the police that came that night said they thought "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was
ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, If Zimmerman had remained in his
vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement,"


Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let
police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while
returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and
attacked by Martin.

But none of this was said that night because he already told police where to meet him. This was added later and not in the original reports of that night. The State's attorneys say this was added as an attempt to cover his tracks. Therefore it may not be admitted on the day of the trail.

But whether it is or not...Zimmerman's defense lawyer(s) will be hard pressed to give a clear logical reason on why Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

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  • bob 2012/05/18 19:40:56
    bob
    +3
    Zimmerman just wanted to bag himself a black and use the right to murder law as his defense

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  • Schläue~© 2012/06/12 07:31:28
  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/06/13 06:34:11
    Manuel
    looks like a nice guy....
  • Jackie 2012/05/26 01:48:29 (edited)
    Jackie
    +1
    Sorry Travon was the aggressor, he had the messed up knuckles and Zimmerman had the split open head and broken nose. And they found drugs in Travon's system. Sorry crazy guy on drugs attacks, time to pull your gun or be killed.



    Evidence and edited 911 calls show that an innocent person who was afraid for his life is being railroaded by left wing racist.
  • Manuel Jackie 2012/06/12 04:19:21
    Manuel
    typical racist thinking....
  • Jackie Manuel 2012/07/13 03:37:08
    Jackie
    Yes I explained the racism by the media, and Trayvons parents and others.
  • Manuel Jackie 2012/07/13 04:07:42
    Manuel
    you really think race has something to do with this?
  • Jackie Manuel 2012/07/21 22:01:43
    Jackie
    Yes racism by the media and some of the black population is obvious.
  • Manuel Jackie 2012/07/23 04:26:47
    Manuel
    what? racism is what killed Trayvon Martin...?
  • Jackie Manuel 2012/07/27 02:23:38
    Jackie
    No.... racism has been against Zimmerman. Not the other way around. Trayvon was the one with only injury, to his fist. Zimmerman had the injuries to his face and back of his head. Trayvon attacked, not Zimmerman. News cast wanted to convey a racist motive by Zimmerman, ergo the edited 911 tapes. And the family of Trayvon has instigated racism against whites. By defending their sons vicious attack on Zimmerman as Zimmerman's fault. And police inactivity in arresting him as racist. Ergo attacks all over the country of whites by groups of marauding Blacks in Trayvon's name. Actually attributing their attacks in Trayvon's name. That is racism.
  • Manuel Jackie 2012/07/27 03:05:26
    Manuel
    Trayvon attacked, not Zimmerman. Where you there?
  • gaylehelen 2012/05/22 20:13:35
    gaylehelen
    +1
    "He decided to play cop that night" is right. I've never heard of a neighborhood watch patrol person carrying a weapon. Kind of defeats the whole purpose in my book.
    As far as all the other stuff you state regarding his racial attitude, it's speculation so far.
  • Manuel gaylehelen 2012/06/12 04:19:52
    Manuel
    good answer.
  • gaylehelen Manuel 2012/06/13 23:00:44
    gaylehelen
    +1
    Thanks.
  • Jackie gaylehelen 2012/07/27 02:30:55
    Jackie
    A person can legally carry a concealed weapon for their protection. No matter where they are. He used it to protect his life as his head was beaten against the pavement. And he was screaming for help that didn't come. His very life was threatened.

    Just imagine had that theater chain airing Batman not had a ban on legal concealed carry guns. Someone might have stopped that freak from injuring and killing so many. But he knew he would not be confronted and had a clear field of attack. Laws only stop the law abiding. They never stop the criminals. They do not follow the laws. The laws allow them to operate freely, without worry of their victim being armed.
  • gaylehelen Jackie 2012/07/27 11:41:01
    gaylehelen
    You can't carry a concealed weapon in Massachusetts without a permit.
    I agree there is no way of stopping the mentally disturbed and I believe those "lone wolves" are one of our countries greatest threats. For every one we catch, there's a large number more out there.
    Here's hoping we don't come across their paths.
  • Manuel gaylehelen 2012/07/27 16:27:50
    Manuel
    what about all the Zimmerman types of people?
  • gaylehelen Manuel 2012/07/27 23:28:44
    gaylehelen
    +1
    God help us.
  • Manuel gaylehelen 2012/07/28 03:14:04
    Manuel
    +1
    I agree...god help us...
  • cybernestical 2012/05/20 15:38:04
    cybernestical
    +1
    It's contagious, none wanna to apply " Common senses" anymore.
  • Manuel cyberne... 2012/06/12 04:20:29
    Manuel
    okay thanks....
  • gaylehelen cyberne... 2012/07/27 11:41:24
    gaylehelen
    Common sense in hard to find these days.
  • Schläue~© 2012/05/18 20:35:29
    Schläue~©
    +2
    Now, to cut through the bullsh!t.

    There hasn't been a single person come forward that has indicated that Zimmerman was a racist of any kind.... quite the opposite in fact.

    There's a very good reason Zimmerman didn't partake in the typical 'Hispanic -Latino' cultural events that are common among Mexicans or Cubans in America because his ancestry is from South America.... aka Peru. Why would he give two sh!ts about Cinco de Mayo, the Spanish Conquistadors or Fidel Castro.... he's half PERUVIAN.

    He purchased his Kel Tec 9mm in the Fall of 2009 after the third incident of a neighbors pit bull escaping their yard and was harassing family members. He first bought some pepper spray but on the advice of a Seminole County Animal Control officer, bought the gun. He didn't purchase it with any kind of neighborhood watch program in mind.

    Zimmerman was driving towards the front gate of the complex to run an errand when he first noticed Martin walking between the condos on the east side of Twin Lakes Retreat.
    He was not on 'duty' or 'patrolling' or out 'looking for someone to shoot'.

    Another fallacy is that Zimmerman was told not to follow, not to get out of his car or go back to his car. None of those scenarios are true. What did happen, was the dispatcher noticing the change in the...













    Now, to cut through the bullsh!t.

    There hasn't been a single person come forward that has indicated that Zimmerman was a racist of any kind.... quite the opposite in fact.

    There's a very good reason Zimmerman didn't partake in the typical 'Hispanic -Latino' cultural events that are common among Mexicans or Cubans in America because his ancestry is from South America.... aka Peru. Why would he give two sh!ts about Cinco de Mayo, the Spanish Conquistadors or Fidel Castro.... he's half PERUVIAN.

    He purchased his Kel Tec 9mm in the Fall of 2009 after the third incident of a neighbors pit bull escaping their yard and was harassing family members. He first bought some pepper spray but on the advice of a Seminole County Animal Control officer, bought the gun. He didn't purchase it with any kind of neighborhood watch program in mind.

    Zimmerman was driving towards the front gate of the complex to run an errand when he first noticed Martin walking between the condos on the east side of Twin Lakes Retreat.
    He was not on 'duty' or 'patrolling' or out 'looking for someone to shoot'.

    Another fallacy is that Zimmerman was told not to follow, not to get out of his car or go back to his car. None of those scenarios are true. What did happen, was the dispatcher noticing the change in the background sounds AFTER Zimmerman had parked his SUV and exited. The dispatcher never mentions a vehicle, only asks, "Are you following him?", to which Zimmerman replies, "Yeah". The dispatcher then says, "OK, we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman replies "OK". That's it folks,.... no order of any kind is ever given. The dispatcher never says to stop following, stay in your vehicle or return.
    What he DOES say, is a standard response which is given for the caller's safety and to cover the PD from any liability because dispatchers and 911 operators are not allowed to give commands. They are there to ask questions and relay info to the proper agencies.

    Regardless of why he chose to exit his vehicle and follow to see were Martin had ran to or not, the fact remains that he wasn't stalking, chasing or hunting anyone. He was merely trying to get a visual location on Martin which he mentions on the audio he has lost. While giving his address over the phone he makes the comment that he doesn't want to say it all out loud because he doesn't know where this kid's at.

    Besides, where is it written that it's against the law to drive around tyour own complex or walk around three times if you chose to? Where is making a call on a cell phone to police, against the law? What law did Zimmerman break? NONE !!

    There's a few things that don't add up about this.... mainly..... over 4 minutes go by from the time that Martin takes off running and the first 911 call is logged in with audible screaming heard in the background.
    Where was Martin for that 4 minutes and 31 seconds?
    Brandy's condo was only about 100 yards from where Zimmerman lost sight of him.
    What could have possibly been the reason that he wasn't at the condo about 20 seconds after taking off running?
    High school junior, 6'-3 " that seemed to be in fairly good shape and had played football most of his previous days.... can't run 100 yards fearing for his life in less that 4 minutes?
    That's almost enough time to run the entire perimeter of the complex.

    Why was he anywhere near 2831 Retreat View Circle?
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  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/05/19 02:14:09 (edited)
    Manuel
    +1
    face...it Zimmerman was raised like a white and or black American style...he doesn't even celebrate Peru holidays nor speaks the language....he should have stayed in his truck...that's the bottom line dude...no matter how you want to twist it into B.S....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/05/19 03:59:28
    Marvelous Wildfire
    That's why Jayna Murray, 30 is dead today.
    The people at the Apple store HEARD the cries thuds and sounds of a struggle . . . but they minded their own business, just as many suggest Zimmerman should have done.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/12 04:23:24
    Manuel
    Zimmerman said he was a neighborhood watchman...Now I really don't think Trayvon was out to kill any one do you think that?
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 05:17:07
    Marvelous Wildfire
    What Martin felt/thought/intended is of no consequence.

    All that really matters, is if *ZIMMERMAN* felt his life was in danger when he used deadly force.
    I would find it perfectly reasonable, of someone experiencing "ground and pound", while screaming for help- that didn't appear to be coming, to believe their life was in deadly danger.
  • Schläue~© Manuel 2012/05/19 08:56:40 (edited)
  • Manuel Schläue~© 2012/06/12 04:30:56
    Manuel
    lol....it could be that Zimmerman was committing a crime and thought Martin saw him doing something bad... and therefore Zimmerman only called 911 to cover his ass and killed the kid to cover his illegal activity ...it could be Zimmerman was selling drugs....or guns....or having sex with a young little girl or boy in his truck... so ...who really knows?
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 05:24:12
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You make a *VERY GOOD POINT*! when you say:
    "it could be that Zimmerman was committing a crime and thought Martin saw him doing something bad... and therefore Zimmerman only called 911 to cover his ass and killed the kid to cover his illegal activity ...it could be Zimmerman was selling drugs....or guns....or having sex with a young little girl or boy in his truck... so ...who really knows?"

    You are *RIGHT!* No one *KNOWS* if Zimmerman did something *ILLEGAL* or not. No one knows if Zimmerman really *DID* murder Martin!
    That means, under Florida's self defense laws: Zimmerman is *INNOCENT*.
  • Marvelo... Schläue~© 2012/06/12 05:24:40
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Well stated, and very well presented.
  • AGPhillbin Schläue~© 2012/05/19 19:17:43
    AGPhillbin
    +2
    Whtat is this stupid meme circulating amongst Zimmerman's less intelligent defenders abourt him not receiving an "order" from the 911 dispatcher? 911 dispatchers can't issue orders to ANYONE, so of course, there was no "order." However, when someone says to you, "we don't need you to do that," that is a clear suggestion to any intelligent person that you should stop what you are doing.
  • Schläue~© AGPhillbin 2012/05/19 20:33:59
    Schläue~©
    That happens to be what the lame stream librul media has been harping on for months. The narrative that Zimmerman was told to stop following.... that Zimmerman was told to stay in his truck..... that Zimmerman was told to go back to his truck.... all of which are false.

    There was never any mention of his vehicle and what the dispatcher gave was a trained response that is for the caller's safety and to cover the PD or 911 operator of any liability.

    In other words, he was letting Zimmerman know that in no way was he requesting him to follow on foot. This is all a moot point because Zimmerman chose to do just that and responded with "OK".
    He then continued the conversation for another two minutes stating he had no idea where Martin was and made arrangements to meet with LEO's upon their arrival.

    Never throughout the 4 minute call does he ever indicate that he has any intention whatsoever of encountering Martin.
  • AGPhillbin Schläue~© 2012/06/06 22:49:41
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    In other words, you're a moron who has committed himself to the Zimmerman bandwagon. So much so, that you actually attempt to twist the words of the 9-11 dispatcher to mean the opposite of it's apparent, and obvious, meaning. Your use of the term "lame stream librul media" is a dead giveaway, proving my point elegantly. So is your apparent inability to deal with a simple statement of fact as anything but an attempt to support the other side.
  • Schläue~© AGPhillbin 2012/06/06 23:15:09
    Schläue~©
    Lame sream media is 100% correctamundo after their purposeful display of poor little innocent 12 y-o Marty in his football uniform, clutching a baby, riding a pony, hugging Daddy,,,,,,awwww how sweet. All while showing a 5 year old pic of Zim in mug-shot orange and lightening up the photo to make him look as white as possible.

    Then they altered audio tapes, video tapes, withheld correct info, spread lies about his past and referred to him as a cold blooded murderer even before he was unjustly charged with a crime.

    Dis : "are you following him?"
    Zim: "Yeah"
    Dis: "OK, we don't need you to do that"
    Zim: "OK"

    We don't NEED you to do that .... simple and plain English. Not a command to do anything, merely some safety advice from the SPD.
    He let Zim know they are not requesting him to do sot and removes SPD from any liability that may come up as a result.

    Same type of comments are made on subsequent 911 calls when operators tell the caller that they are not requesting them to go outside.

    They are NOT allowed to give any type of orders or commands over the phone.
  • AGPhillbin Schläue~© 2012/06/06 23:50:46
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    This is why there is no point in arguing with a partisan moron, such as yourself. You will never admit that you ever get anything wrong, bacause you're afraid the slipshod edifice that is your advocacy will come crashing down if you do.

    Firstly, safety advice from a 911 dispatcher is never "merely" anything. It was clearly a suggestion not to continue following. Or do really think a 911 dispatcher is some kind of lawyer for the SPD, and has your interpretation (not one I would depend on) of the liabilities involved for the SPD? And did I not already say there was no "command?" Or must I interpret the "non-command" not to follow in the same way you did?

    And who is this "they" that did all these things that you describe? The initial pictures of Martin were provided by the parents; others surfaced in this global entity you stupidly call "the lame stream media" a few days later. The initial photo of Zimmerman, I believe, was from a police mug shot, from an arrest for assaulting an officer. Other pictures emerged later in the same media you condemn. And "lightening up" the photo to look white? Where did you get that? THAT looked "white" to you? He looked a lot "whiter" in ALL the later pics of him that I saw. "They" didn't alter the tapes. Only one network presented a misleadin...

    This is why there is no point in arguing with a partisan moron, such as yourself. You will never admit that you ever get anything wrong, bacause you're afraid the slipshod edifice that is your advocacy will come crashing down if you do.

    Firstly, safety advice from a 911 dispatcher is never "merely" anything. It was clearly a suggestion not to continue following. Or do really think a 911 dispatcher is some kind of lawyer for the SPD, and has your interpretation (not one I would depend on) of the liabilities involved for the SPD? And did I not already say there was no "command?" Or must I interpret the "non-command" not to follow in the same way you did?

    And who is this "they" that did all these things that you describe? The initial pictures of Martin were provided by the parents; others surfaced in this global entity you stupidly call "the lame stream media" a few days later. The initial photo of Zimmerman, I believe, was from a police mug shot, from an arrest for assaulting an officer. Other pictures emerged later in the same media you condemn. And "lightening up" the photo to look white? Where did you get that? THAT looked "white" to you? He looked a lot "whiter" in ALL the later pics of him that I saw. "They" didn't alter the tapes. Only one network presented a misleadingly edited tape on the air, and the same network fired the "editor." The only other "editing" was done in an attempt to figure out what he was muttering under his breath, and it wasn't actually "editing," in the sense of removing or inserting material. It was voice enhancement. And they did both the enhancement Martin's supporters like, as well as the one you like. Well, maybe they really are the "lame stream media," unable to even prevent the facts from getting in the way of their allegedly "librul" agenda. I wish you could be that "lamestream" yourself. Just imagine, you learned all your "facts" from the "librul lamestream media." In the real world, the elements of any story often emerge slowly. Sorry that confused you.

    Thanks for AGAIN proving that this Martin-Zimmerman case is a political Rorshach test, where everyone, black, white, liberal, conservative, etc. see exactly what they want, or expect, to see. I still see a shapeless inkblot.
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  • Manuel AGPhillbin 2012/06/12 04:39:21
    Manuel
    an honest answer to Schlaue with no guile...but he will not see that because he can't .....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/12 13:41:10
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Not really.
    An equally bias opinion, just on the other-side of the issue, with less support for that position.
  • Manuel Marvelo... 2012/06/13 06:34:47
    Manuel
    well...you don't see it....
  • Marvelo... Manuel 2012/06/13 06:48:55
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Whatever
  • Marvelo... AGPhillbin 2012/06/12 13:34:56
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You state: "This is why there is no point in arguing with a partisan moron, such as yourself."

    Why the name calling, if you believe he's wrong and you have facts to support your position?

    Do you believe Zimmerman was under a *LEGAL OBLIGATION* to allow Martin to kill him, when Zimmerman used deadly force?

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