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Controversial Muhammad video linked to U.S. anti-Muslim activists: Thanks Terry Jones for getting Americas killed

Jeff King 2012/09/13 17:33:26
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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13842406-contro... Updated 12:22 p.m. ET: “Innocence of Muslims” -- the crude and provocative anti-Islam video blamed for a wave of deadly violence against U.S. diplomatic outposts -- was promoted by a small band of anti-Muslim Christian activists, according to reports, but the true identity of its director remained unclear.

The Associated Press said Wednesday one of those behind the film was a Calif. Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes. It said Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, claimed to have helped with logistics for the film because it highlighted the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department spokesman Steve Whitmore told NBC News officers were called out to a house on Wednesday night by a resident concerned for his own safety, but was unable to confirm whether the call was from Nakoula.A trailer for the amateurish film, posted on YouTube in July and later reposted after being translated into Arabic, portrays Muhammad, believed by Muslims to be God’s prophet, variously as a womanizer, a homosexual and a child abuser. A man who said his name was "Sam Bacile" claimed to have made the film in an interview on Tuesday.

The translated clip, shown repeatedly on Egyptian television stations in recent weeks, sparked protests across the Middle East and North Africa and was blamed for inciting an attack in Libya on Tuesday that killed the U.S. Ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans. The Quran forbids any depiction of Muhammad, and most Muslims regard any attempt to insult him as highly offensive. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.

The AP late Tuesday reported it had interviewed the film's director, identifying him as "Sam Bacile." It said he was a 56-year-old Israeli American real estate developer from California who had made the movie by raising $5 million from wealthy Jewish donors. However, there were strong indications that “Sam Bacile” was an alias and that the film, tied to U.S.-based Christians with extreme anti-Islamic views, was produced on a low budget in southern California using actors apparently unaware of the film’s ultimate purpose.

Nakoula told the AP he knew “Bacile” but denied posing as him in Tuesday's interview. However, the cell phone number used by AP to originally contact “Bacile” was traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers show Nakoula's past aliases have included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.

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The AP said it obtained the cellphone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who has promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website.

Not Israeli, 'likely not Jewish'
The Atlantic quoted a man reported by the AP to be a consultant on the film, Steve Klein, as saying that “Bacile” is a pseudonym and that the filmmaker “is not Israeli and most likely not Jewish.”

Klein, a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, Calif., told the Atlantic he doesn’t know the man’s real name and indicated that the film maker contacted him because Klein leads anti-Islam protests outside mosques and schools.

The New York Times said Klein, whom it described as a Vietnam veteran whose son was severely wounded in Iraq, is “notorious across California for his involvement with anti-Muslim actions, from the courts to schoolyards to a weekly show broadcast on Christian radio in the Middle East.”

The 13-minute English-language trailer for the film was posted on YouTube in July by an account registered to a Sam Bacile. It shows the cast performing a wooden dialogue, with insults cast as revelations about Muhammad dubbed over the top. Cindy Lee Garcia, of Bakersfield, California, who appears briefly in clips of the film posted online, said she answered a casting call last year to appear in a movie titled "Desert Warrior." It looks so unreal to me, it's like nothing that we even filmed was there. There was all this weird stuff there," Garcia told Reuters in a phone interview.

Garcia said the film was shot in the summer of 2011 inside a church near Los Angeles, with actors standing in front of a "green screen," used to depict background images. About 50 actors were involved, she said.

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An expired casting notice at Backstage.com listed a film named "Desert Warrior" that it described as a low-budget "historical Arabian Desert adventure film." None of the characters were identified in the casting call as Muhammad.

"They told me it was based on what it was like 2,000 years ago at the time of the Lord," Garcia said. "Like the time Christ was here."

A source close to the cast and crew of the film told NBC News that “Bacile” misled the actors and production crew.

"The entire crew and cast are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer," the source said. "We are 100 percent not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."The L.A. Times reported that the full-length film, originally titled “Innocence of Bin Laden,” was shown June 23 to an audience of less than 10 at a theater on Hollywood Boulevard, Calif., citing a source familiar with the screening.

The source said an “attractive” woman stood on Hollywood Boulevard and tried to interest passers-by in the movie, but got few takers, the Times reported. "The acting was of the worst caliber," the source said.

A man who answered a phone listed for the Vine Theater, a faded movie house on Hollywood Boulevard, told the AP the film had run for a least a day, several months ago.

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Israeli officials also told the AP that there was no record of an Israeli citizen named "Sam Bacile." California corporate records show no one by that name as holding a real estate license there.

Film news site The Wrap said the Arabic-dubbed version of the trailer had garnered more than 40,000 views by Tuesday afternoon, although the clip appeared to have been taken down by Wednesday morning.

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans previously sparked deadly riots in Pakistan and other Muslim nations, had tried to promote the film on Tuesday as part of a series of 9/11 anniversary events at his Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla.

The attack on the Libyan consulate, as it happened

Jones told NBC News on Wednesday that he aired the trailer once previously in his makeshift church but that efforts to screen it on Tuesday were thwarted by technical difficulties.

"I have not met him. Sam Bacile, that is not his real name," Jones told the AP. "I just talked to him on the phone. He is definitely in hiding and does not reveal his identity. He was quite honestly fairly shook up concerning the events and what is happening. A lot of people are not supporting him." The Jewish Journal reported that the name "Sam Bacile" appeared to be “completely unknown among both Jewish and Israeli leaders in Los Angeles, including top-level people involved in the film industry.”

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.Controversial Muhammad video linked to U S  anti Muslim activists Terry Jones is a American hero

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  • Sayer Stewart 2012/09/16 16:08:50 (edited)
    Terry Jones is a Christian all American hero
    Sayer Stewart
    None of the above. Free speech is free speech, regardless of how idiotic it is.
  • Superman 2012/09/13 18:28:58
    Terry Jones is a Christian all American hero
    Superman
    Terry Jones is a wack job.

    But pushing charges against someone for use of free speech? An attempt to silence some ones dumb opinion? And blaming them because some radicals don't have the self control to not kill people when offended? Grow up.

    And the real root behind this problem, behind what you're doing, is the same thing people are trying to pin unfairly on Romney. Its an attempt to use this as a political football to deflect the failures of the current Administration.

    Seriously, you should be ashamed. Not to mention the fact that you;re likely being a useful idiot considering they're looking into the fact that this may have been a coordinated effort where the "film" was used as a cover for an attack that was going to happen anyway.
  • Jeff King Superman 2012/09/13 18:59:01 (edited)
  • Superman Jeff King 2012/09/13 19:05:39
    Superman
    Is making an obnoxious film thats incredibly easy to avoid, whos purpose is to mock and not to cause fear for ones life actually being equated to the tight constrictive life threatening unavoidable situation you describe with the age old "fire in a theatre" line?

    Is that actually a comparison you're making? That yelling a lie about a potential life immediate life threatening situation is the same as mocking a figure on video?

    Do you really draw that equation? I'll answer your question as soon as you answer that one.
  • Jeff King Superman 2012/09/13 19:18:17 (edited)
  • Superman Jeff King 2012/09/13 19:32:47
    Superman
    Afraid?

    Yelling fire or he has a gun in a crowded area represents an immediate and unavoidable life threatening situation that causes panic out of fear for ones life. Thats why they are prosecuted actions.

    Insulting someone on camera, or on a website like this isn't an immediate life threatening situation. And by all accounts its relatively avoidable. If you make fun of my God or my wife or my child, it may upset me. But my life isn't in danger from what you've said. It causes me to be angry, not to panic.

    Therefore insulting someone, while obnoxious, is still free speech. Attempting to punish someone because they insulted someone or something someone likes and that supposedly "made" them destroy random property or kill an innocent random person would be tantamount to making a law abridging the freedom of speech.

    So there, I answered your questions to me, AND I answered the question I asked of you that you were too cowardly to answer. The "crowded theatre" situation and the "insult on camera" situation are in no sense equitable. Its a false comparison. And the funny thing is that even Obamas White House gets that. Even Obama stated that there is no excuse or rationale for the actions taken in Cairo and Libya. So you're even trying to argue against what he's stating. Ho...



    Afraid?

    Yelling fire or he has a gun in a crowded area represents an immediate and unavoidable life threatening situation that causes panic out of fear for ones life. Thats why they are prosecuted actions.

    Insulting someone on camera, or on a website like this isn't an immediate life threatening situation. And by all accounts its relatively avoidable. If you make fun of my God or my wife or my child, it may upset me. But my life isn't in danger from what you've said. It causes me to be angry, not to panic.

    Therefore insulting someone, while obnoxious, is still free speech. Attempting to punish someone because they insulted someone or something someone likes and that supposedly "made" them destroy random property or kill an innocent random person would be tantamount to making a law abridging the freedom of speech.

    So there, I answered your questions to me, AND I answered the question I asked of you that you were too cowardly to answer. The "crowded theatre" situation and the "insult on camera" situation are in no sense equitable. Its a false comparison. And the funny thing is that even Obamas White House gets that. Even Obama stated that there is no excuse or rationale for the actions taken in Cairo and Libya. So you're even trying to argue against what he's stating. How far of the reservation are you?

    Whats funny is that you say my response is "typical GOP" - which is blown out of the water by my thorough response. I would counter by saying the attempt to make such a poor strawman comparison as you have is a typical weak progressive response used as a means to deflect criticism away from your interests and to try and silence anyone who you dislike.

    Will I get a complete direct and through response from you? Doubt it.
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  • Jeff King Superman 2012/09/13 19:35:17
  • Superman Jeff King 2012/09/13 19:38:15
    Superman
    LOL - Called it. Like Obama, you've failed. I answered your question and you've refused to answer mine. That says all anyone needs to know about you. You're a weak bomb thrower, incapable of defending your own inflamatory positions.
  • Jeff King Superman 2012/09/13 19:41:44
  • Superman Jeff King 2012/09/13 19:45:38 (edited)
    Superman
    Edit - As usual, when pushed to be honest far left radicals block. Jeff King is clearly a liar and a coward.

    Thats still not an aswer to my question - which is what you said you'd give me if I answered yours. At this point it doesn't matter how well you play with others if you only lie.
  • Jeff King Superman 2012/09/13 19:49:27
  • Jeff King 2012/09/13 17:37:24
  • Tastentier Jeff King 2012/09/13 17:58:20
    Tastentier
    You might find this thread interesting:
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    It appears that the entire background information about this movie trailer was made up. The alleged Israeli American producer Sam Bacile doesn't seem to exist, and Mr. Jones might have simply jumped at the opportunity to get his name into the press.

    Other than clueless actors who had no idea what they were working on and whose voices have been dubbed over to add the word "Mohammed", the only person who has been positively linked to this sorry effort is a certain Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a Coptic Christian. It also appears that the violent acts in Egypt and Libya were planned before the outrage over this video began.
  • Linkums 2012/09/13 17:37:08
    Terry Jones is a Christian all American hero
    Linkums
    +1
    I didn't read the article, but those who commit murder are solely responsible for their actions. Your logic is atrocious.
  • Jeff King Linkums 2012/09/13 17:42:22
  • Zuggi 2012/09/13 17:36:26
    Terry Jones is a Christian all American hero
    Zuggi
    [None of the Above]

    He's well within his rights of free speech. He committed no crime.

    That said, he's a total and utter douchebag who knew the reaction this would get and that his promotion of this would get Americans killed. He should be ostracized from any political discourse.

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