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Annette 2012/08/26 02:54:54
Exclusive braking news from WND:

Dozens
of members of Congress have signed up to back a challenge to
Obamacare’s mandate that employers provide contraceptive services –
including abortifacients – to employees under their health care
programs.


That requirement has been imposed even on employers whose religious
faith forbids their participation in the deaths of unborn infants.





A number of lawsuits have been filed over the issue, one federal
judge already has halted enforcement against a Denver company, and the
government voluntarily has waived enforcement for now in a case brought
on behalf of a Michigan company.

One of the most telling comments in the article is this one:
“Christian colleges should remain free to operate according to their
deeply held beliefs. Punishing religious people and organizations for
freely exercising their faith is an assault on our most fundamental
American freedoms,” said Alliance Defending Freedom Senior Counsel
Gregory S. Baylor. “This mandate leaves religious employers with no real
choice: you must either comply and abandon your religious freedom and
conscience, or resist and be taxed for your faith. Every American should
know that a government with the power to do this to anyone can do this –
and worse – to everyone.


Read the full article here: http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/congressmen-challenge-obama-attack...
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  • RobertChristopherLaity 2012/08/27 13:32:46
    RobertChristopherLaity
    +4
    Obama is a bogus POTUS. Why doesn't Congress PRESS THAT FACT. Obamacare was signed by a fraud!
  • Annette RobertC... 2012/08/27 17:38:12
    Annette
    +2
    Oddly enough, I think the majority of Congress knows that, but for some unknown and ungodly reason nearly everybody is afraid to even refer to that, much less be pointed about it. Think about it - even those who oppose him staunchly won't breathe a word about his illegitimacy to be POTUS.
    I have said this before, something or someone(s) have so threatened the full floor of both the House and Senate that the point is nearly mute. We aren't even hearing about it at the national convention; yet full in our face is the fact that over 20,000 Muslims will be at the DNC, and they are starting with - get this - PRAYERS! But we Christians are forbidden to pray! You won't see this Muslim prayer-in however. Talk about cover up!
  • Mark Twain 2012/08/27 03:38:18
    Mark Twain
    +4
    America,,,,how many times does Obama and his regulatory "Brown Shirts" have to kick you in the groin before the pain registers in your brain?
  • Annette Mark Twain 2012/08/27 17:41:53
    Annette
    +3
    Unfortunately, it appears that many of the Americans you're referring to have been usurped of the use of their brains via our not so splendid educational system. How? Because every time a kid can't pass, we don't flunk him and make him repeat - instead we lower the test standards until it reads: Multiple Choice Question: How do you get to school? Choices A - Walk B - Bus C - Ride D - Other (And every answer is correct!)
  • ☆ Queen... Annette 2012/09/05 23:59:03
  • Doug Indeap 2012/08/27 01:05:49
    Doug Indeap
    +1
    Claims that the health law violates religious liberty are based on a "big lie"--a gross falsification constantly repeated and embellished to lend credibility. Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, the health care law does not force employers to act contrary to their consciences.

    Employers may comply with the law by choosing either of two options: (1) provide qualifying health insurance plans or (2) do not provide such plans and instead pay assessments to the government. Unless one supposes that the employers’ religions forbid payments of money to the government, the law does not compel them to act contrary to their beliefs.

    The second choice does not amount to "violating" the law and paying a "fine," as some suppose. As the law "does not explicitly mandate an employer to offer employees acceptable health insurance" (http://www.ncsl.org/document... there is no such "mandate" to "violate." Rather, the law affords employers two options, either of which is as lawful as the other.

    Nor are the assessments set so high that paying them would drive employers out of business, as some speculate. The law provides that if a "large employer" (i.e., one with at least 50 employees) chooses not to provide health insurance, it must pay assessments of $2,000 per year per employee af...



    Claims that the health law violates religious liberty are based on a "big lie"--a gross falsification constantly repeated and embellished to lend credibility. Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, the health care law does not force employers to act contrary to their consciences.

    Employers may comply with the law by choosing either of two options: (1) provide qualifying health insurance plans or (2) do not provide such plans and instead pay assessments to the government. Unless one supposes that the employers’ religions forbid payments of money to the government, the law does not compel them to act contrary to their beliefs.

    The second choice does not amount to "violating" the law and paying a "fine," as some suppose. As the law "does not explicitly mandate an employer to offer employees acceptable health insurance" (http://www.ncsl.org/document... there is no such "mandate" to "violate." Rather, the law affords employers two options, either of which is as lawful as the other.

    Nor are the assessments set so high that paying them would drive employers out of business, as some speculate. The law provides that if a "large employer" (i.e., one with at least 50 employees) chooses not to provide health insurance, it must pay assessments of $2,000 per year per employee after the first 30 employees. That is much less than an employer typically would pay for health insurance. Small employers would pay no assessments at all. Because of this potential saving and because the law affords individuals realistic opportunities to obtain insurance on their own, many employers are considering this option--for reasons entirely unrelated to religion. (http://online.wsj.com/articl...

    In recently issued commentary on the various options of employers, the National Catholic Bioethics Center acknowledges, albeit grudgingly, that the option of not providing health insurance and instead paying assessments is "morally sound." While also considering this option "unfortunate" in that the insurance employees would find on their own would include coverage the Center deems objectionable, the Center concludes that the employers' "moral connection" to that coverage would be "remote." https://ncbcenter.org/documen...

    Bottom line: Employers are not forced by the law to act contrary to their consciences. Rather, as recognized by even those who object to some aspects of the insurance the law makes available, the law affords employers with similar objections the morally sound option of not providing such insurance and paying assessments instead.
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  • Annette Doug In... 2012/08/27 17:46:25 (edited)
    Annette
    +1
    I suggest you look up the word "coercion". So you can take you twisted ideas of "choice" and stuff them! PS - I suggest you take $2,000 per year per employee (50 - we'll start small) and see what that comes out to - and you think that is NOT coercion? Enough said!
  • Doug In... Annette 2012/08/28 05:23:17
    Doug Indeap
    Did you get the part where $2,000 per year per employee (after the first 30 employees) is substantially LESS than the employer would pay for health insurance? Hardly coercion. Because of this SAVINGS, some employers are considering this option for economic rather than religious reasons. Its seems the assessments may have been set too low.

    Note, too, that when Congress provides exemptions or otherwise accommodates conscientious objectors, it need not give those objectors a free ride. We used to require those with objections to fighting wars to provide noncombat service.
  • Annette Doug In... 2012/09/01 23:59:26
    Annette
    +1
    Have you ever worked for a small business? I have as their bookkeeper, and my employer was up to 20 employees - they would have been the ones who would have suffered under this plan.
    Your second paragraph makes no sense at all considering 0vomit is willing to give all the illegals a free ride, but is mandating that all of the working people have to pay for all of this. Geez = are you truly that ignorant?
  • Doug In... Annette 2012/09/04 06:13:10
    Doug Indeap
    Since the law allows employers with fewer than 50 employees to not provide health insurance without paying any assessment whatsoever, how is it that you think such employers would suffer? In any event, the pertinent question is whether the law forces them to act contrary to their religious beliefs. Plainly it does not. Hence, the claims that the law violates employers' religious liberty are based on a big lie.

    My second paragraph explained why objections to the assessment are unfounded. Yours veered off the subject and missed the point.
  • Annette Doug In... 2012/09/04 17:55:07
    Annette
    Man are you off base. What do you think the current suits in court are all about if it isn't different aspects within 0vomitcare that make one violate their religious rights? I tell you what: when you have exercised your brain enough to participate as an adult rather than a child, maybe we can talk. Till then, start to learn what you're talking about before opening your mouth and inserting both your feet.
  • Doug In... Annette 2012/09/05 05:58:36
    Doug Indeap
    Again you sidestep the point I made (yes, made) without responding to it and, instead, mouthing some nonsense. So . . . by your reckoning, if one files a suit, that suffices to establish the claim it is "about"? Here's a thought, take your own advice, read the links I provided, exercise your own brain--and learn something. Like I said (and as you have yet to address), the claims are based on a falsehood. The law does not force employers to act contrary to their consciences. It's right there in the law. You can look it up as they say.
  • Annette Doug In... 2012/09/08 20:24:26
    Annette
    Really? The law does not force employers to act contrary to their consciences? Explain Boeing not being allowed to build in SC?? Explain churches being made to support abortions against their consciences. You got a lot of 'splainin' to do, Dougy!
  • Doug In... Annette 2012/09/08 22:33:13
    Doug Indeap
    See my first comment for that explanation.
  • robinswebnest 2012/08/26 20:12:05
    robinswebnest
    +2
    Can anyone verify or show me proof that obama has/hasn't given an exemption to muslims? I heard that because muslims consider any form of 'insurance' as gambling, which is against their 'religion', that they do not have to pay into obamacare.
    I don't know if this is true and have not been able to fact check it. Lame stream media does not seem to be too concerned with fact checking...so, anyone want to weigh in on this?
  • words t... robinsw... 2012/08/26 21:15:13 (edited)
    words to live by
    +3
    Believe it or not, if you are a Muslim you may claim a special religious exemption to Obama-Care that is denied to main-stream Christians and Jews. Or if you prefer a New-Age religion to Islam, you may become a Scientologist and Opt Out of ObamaCare’s mandatory purchase of health insurance. Or, if you happen to be of Native American Indian extraction you too can opt out of the insurance laws by which everyone else in America must abide.

    “There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is ‘haraam,’ or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.” Quote from Liberty & Pride Blog


    Jew, you need not apply to Opt Out of ObamaCare; that exemption is reserved for Muslims, Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists and Native American Indians who have a “conscientious objection” to insurance. A conscientious objection to theft committed by rogue politicians under the color of law with the threat of vi...











    Believe it or not, if you are a Muslim you may claim a special religious exemption to Obama-Care that is denied to main-stream Christians and Jews. Or if you prefer a New-Age religion to Islam, you may become a Scientologist and Opt Out of ObamaCare’s mandatory purchase of health insurance. Or, if you happen to be of Native American Indian extraction you too can opt out of the insurance laws by which everyone else in America must abide.

    “There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is ‘haraam,’ or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.” Quote from Liberty & Pride Blog


    Jew, you need not apply to Opt Out of ObamaCare; that exemption is reserved for Muslims, Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists and Native American Indians who have a “conscientious objection” to insurance. A conscientious objection to theft committed by rogue politicians under the color of law with the threat of violence for non-compliance isn’t sufficient in America today to exempt average Americans from the stranglehold of government.

    The law uses the old Security Security language (Sec. 1402 (g) (1) of the Internal Revenue Code) to determine who will be eligible for a "religious conscience'' objection to the insurance mandate. Specifically, the bills would provide exemptions for adherents of "recognized religious sects" that are "conscientiously opposed" to accepting benefits from any insurance---private or public---''which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age or retirement or makes payment toward the cost of, or provides services for medical care.'' To qualify for the exemption, the sect would have to have been in existance continuously since Dec. 31,1950. As provided for in the new law:

    ''EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL"
    RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

    "---iN THE CASE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS SEEKING AN EXEMPTION CERTIFICATE UNDER SECTION 1311 (D) (4) (H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

    "In the case of an individual seeking exemptiom based on the individuals status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe."


    This pretty much answers your question, right! We Americans have no choice in this matter.....
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  • robinsw... words t... 2012/08/27 02:29:22
    robinswebnest
    +3
    Thank you. I thought there was merit to the rumor but I wanted verification. It seems the site for fact checking is not working so well right now.....mmmmm I wonder why? Could it be?no....obummer wouldn't do that....would he? (please note sarcasm)
    I noticed the wording is directly aimed at muslims with the other groups getting benefits (by accident? or bribing?)
    In addition I heard that obama has declared muslims 'indigenous citizens. Now that has
    American Indians (the real and only truly indigenous citizens in America) totally pis*ed off. I too am offended as I am part Indian. I just wonder how low this fake American will go? I also wonder how long it is going to take his supporters to extract their heads from his a*s? just asking....
  • Annette robinsw... 2012/08/27 18:06:07
    Annette
    +3
    You will be even more p*ssed off with this: the DNC is opening its ceremonies with 20,000 Muslims along with prayer! Shame on us Christians to think we should also have such audacity to pray! (sarcasm intended ).
  • robinsw... Annette 2012/08/28 02:18:15
    robinswebnest
    +2
    Yes, I heard that, and I also heard that the muslim leading the so called prayer is the same radical who defending the blind muslim leader who bombed the World Trade Center the first time. He is also a strong supporter of cair and the muslim brotherhood. Please note: I do not give them the respect they don't deserve by capping their name.
  • Annette robinsw... 2012/09/02 00:01:53
    Annette
    +3
    Actually that turned out to be such a fizzle, I am even surprised. Of the 20,000 invited, only 300 showed up to pray that Sharia Law would replace the Constitution. Makes one think that perhaps the other Muslims may actually like the American freedoms they have and don't want the change of going back to the dark days of rule by oppression under the Muslim Brotherhood.
  • robinsw... Annette 2012/09/02 00:03:55
    robinswebnest
    +2
    Now that is a thought. I think a lot of muslims may not like the restrictions placed on them by sharia law. I really hope that is the case. Thanks for your input.
  • newhon63 Annette 2012/08/29 14:38:46
    newhon63
    +2
    Lovely how we are not supposed to pray but Muslims are allowed to do so. (No sarcasm)
  • Annette newhon63 2012/09/02 00:02:31
    Annette
    +1
    Quite two faced of them, actually.
  • words t... robinsw... 2012/08/28 02:00:17
    words to live by
    +2
    You're very welcome. I'm hoping for A CHANGE this November. I can't understand why anyone would want Obama another four years.
  • robinsw... words t... 2012/08/28 02:19:29
    robinswebnest
    +2
    I do. they are just plain and simple ignorant. They choose not to listen to anything other than lame stream media. They also have jobs and are selfish enough to believe that everyone who doesn't, is just not trying hard enough to find a job.
  • newhon63 robinsw... 2012/08/29 14:52:22
    newhon63
    +3
    Actually I believe the opposite. Obama's base are those on welfare that have been on it since birth, their mother has been on welfare and just pumps out the kids to get more money, food stamps and substidized housing. The father just comes back once in a while to do the deed or someone else does. Obama is promising more free stuff. So it behoves them to vote for him. We need some tough choices from our President and Obama just isn't it. Are there those who need the be on welfare? Of course, but I dare say the majority of them are gaming the system for handouts. I saw a story where they interviewed people standing outside the welfare office, they all had cellphones, when asked how many TVs they had at their house, most said " 2 or 3", cable? Yes. Internet service? yes. New car? Yes. So why are you on welfare? We can't find jobs and times are tough. Well if times are tough, why haven't you cut some of those unnecessary expenses? No answer to this one.


    We built it. The government may have helped along the way in many of the cases but they used our tax dollars to do it. They also use our taxes to educate people from around the world then wonder why our kids are behind in technology.

    I know of many kids just in my son's school who are very bright. Many are wondering along with their...
    Actually I believe the opposite. Obama's base are those on welfare that have been on it since birth, their mother has been on welfare and just pumps out the kids to get more money, food stamps and substidized housing. The father just comes back once in a while to do the deed or someone else does. Obama is promising more free stuff. So it behoves them to vote for him. We need some tough choices from our President and Obama just isn't it. Are there those who need the be on welfare? Of course, but I dare say the majority of them are gaming the system for handouts. I saw a story where they interviewed people standing outside the welfare office, they all had cellphones, when asked how many TVs they had at their house, most said " 2 or 3", cable? Yes. Internet service? yes. New car? Yes. So why are you on welfare? We can't find jobs and times are tough. Well if times are tough, why haven't you cut some of those unnecessary expenses? No answer to this one.


    We built it. The government may have helped along the way in many of the cases but they used our tax dollars to do it. They also use our taxes to educate people from around the world then wonder why our kids are behind in technology.

    I know of many kids just in my son's school who are very bright. Many are wondering along with their parents how they are going to pay to send them to higher learning institutions. The Democratic Party doesn't even want to talk about these issues. They want to distract from that. They are confident that between the welfare and the illegals voting. They will get in. That and the Gender, Class and Racial Warfare they are waging.
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  • robinsw... newhon63 2012/08/31 02:53:39
    robinswebnest
    +2
    I also agree with you. I was just talking about a small educated portion of obama supporters.
    I am very familiar with welfare cheaters. When I was a kid, my dad took off and didn't pay any child support. We wound up on something called AFDC and every 6 months, my mother had to file papers to get my father to pay something....he never did.
    I meant alot of others in my situation, except they were the so called minority. We got investigated every 6 months, these others, never.
    To me, that sounds like racism. Not the so called politically correct term of -reverse racism'. Racism is racism, no matter the color of the victim.
    When I wanted to go to college in (1974) I was told that if I were a minority, there was plenty of money in grants, but as I wasn't, the grants were all used and I was out of luck. I still managed to get about 1 1/2 years worth of education, but I paid for it.
    I am sick at heart for the next generation as not only can't they afford education, but the quality is very suspect. Especially after seeing obama's buddies on their racist rants. Not to mention in TX where a muslim printer has re-written American history. They have interjected muslims into it saying they are responsible for most of our advances. It has been distributed to hundreds of elementary schools. There have been several lawsuits to halt its production and pull them from schools, but, as you know, money talks and justice walks.
  • Annette robinsw... 2012/09/02 00:10:04
    Annette
    +2
    I know the position you were in, and I know how badly it is misused by welfare cheaters. I can remember the necessity for food stamps and when I had to walk 3 miles with my kids to get them and back, I arrived to find people of a different skin color climbing out of their Cadillacs wearing mink stoles and lots of gold heading in to pick up their food stamps. Really made you wonder what was wrong with this picture!
  • robinsw... Annette 2012/09/02 00:19:00
    robinswebnest
    +2
    Right you are.....that reminds me of the Welfare Queen of San Bernardino, CA in the 70's. She got caught because she walked into the Welfare office wearing a mink coat. She drove up in a black cadillac. They figured she had stolen over 1 million dollars. That is alot by today's standards.....but the 70's, wow.
  • Annette robinsw... 2012/09/02 00:03:53
    Annette
    +1
    Right! All 23,000,000 of them that are without jobs are not willing to find one! Great answer.
  • robinsw... Annette 2012/09/02 00:08:52
    robinswebnest
    I am sorry, but what is this in reference to?
  • Annette robinsw... 2012/08/27 18:02:51
    Annette
    +2
    This might help you: http://factcheck.org/2010/05/...

    Also understand what a "dimmie" is - he is one that has been overtaken by Muslims yet allowed to live; however they are required then to pay a poll tax. Also see words response below.
  • robinsw... Annette 2012/08/28 02:21:27
    robinswebnest
    +2
    Thank you. Sounds like obamacare to me. Tax us even though they haven't defeated us. But, in a way they did, after all, obama is the president. sigh, can you say STUPID!!!
  • Wulfdane 2012/08/26 19:42:07 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +2
    This is just another example of Liberals disregarding freedom and Liberty for their own selfish desires.

    Liberalism has poisoned our republic and our democratic way if life.
  • keeper 2012/08/26 16:55:28
    keeper
    +3
    Tell obamacare where to stuff it!!!
  • stormy rae 2012/08/26 15:59:00
    stormy rae
    +4
    Ovomit thats what I want to do every time I hear his name for any kind of reason
  • Cindy64... stormy rae 2012/08/26 16:34:30
    Cindy64~AFCL
    +3
    I know i do this when i hear his name or see his EVIL face.... getting sick
  • Dave 2012/08/26 14:54:17
    Dave
    +3
    I'll bet Obama would not inflict this kind of enforcement on Muslims.
  • Annette Dave 2012/08/26 16:36:43
    Annette
    +1
    Are you kidding me, he is having a Muslim open the DNC convention with prayers! Here is part of an email I received from Pure Pursuit Information Center [Starting at the end of this month the Democratic National Convention will open with a focus on Islam. 20,000 Muslims are expected to attend according to the Bureau of Indigenous Muslim Affairs (BIMA), the national Muslim American non-profit coordinating the two days of events they claim are non-political.
    ”Jumah at the DNC” begins August 29 and will start with a Friday afternoon jummah prayer followed by other unnamed programs and events, leading up to the Islamic Regal Banquet. The following day will be an all day Islamic Cultural and Fun Fest which will include discussions on the topics of Islamaphobia, Anti-Shariah, Middle Eastern Crisis, Patriot Act, National Defense Authorization Act and more. The purpose, according to BIMA, is to attract national and international attention to the plight of American Muslims and to hold political parties accountable for issues that affect them. ]
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/08/26 14:22:54
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +3
    Obama thinks he is over the Constitution and would stick up for muslim rights but not christians belief Vote him out put the Constitution back where it belongs !!!!!!!! OUT WITH OBAMA !!!!!!

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