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Climategate: it's all unravelling now - You think!?

Javimendo December 02, 2009 16:37:56
So many new developments: which story do we pick? Maybe best to summarise, instead. After all, it’s not like you’re going to find much of this reported in the MSM.

1. Australia’s Senate rejects Emissions Trading Scheme for a second time. Or: so turkeys don’t vote Christmas. Expect to see a lot more of this: politicians starting to become aware their party’s position on AGW is completely out of kilter with the public mood and economic reality. Kevin Rudd’s Emissions Trading Scheme – what Andrew Bolt calls “a $114 billion green tax on everything” – would have wreaked havoc on the coal-dependent Australian economy. That’s why several opposition Liberal frontbenchers resigned rather than vote with the Government on ETS; why Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull lost his job; and why the Senate voted down the ETS.

2. Danes caught fiddling their carbon credits. (Hat tip: Philip Stott) Carbon trading is the Emperor’s New Clothes of international finance. It was invented by none other than Ken Lay, whose Enron would currently be one of the prime beneficiaries in the global alternative energy market, if it hadn’t been shown to be (nearly) as fraudulent as the current AGW scam. It is a licence to fleece, cheat and rob. Still, jolly embarrassing for the Danes to get caught red handed, what with their hosting a conference shortly in which the world’s leaders will try, straight-faced, to persuade us that carbon emissions trading is the only viable way of defeating ManBearPig.

3. Hats off to The Daily Express – the first British newspaper to make the AGW scam its front page story. The piece was inspired by another bravura performance by Professor Ian Plimer, the Aussie geologist who argues that climate change has been going on quite naturally, oblivious of human activity, for the last 4,567 million years.

4. BBC finally gets round to reporting – sort of – that Climatic Research Unit at University of East Anglia may have been up to no good. It’s true that this report on their website is so hedged with special pleading for the temporarily suspended director Phil Jones the man might have written it himself. But on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme this morning, I did hear the newsreader reporting it as more than just a routine theft story. Which is a start.

5. Legal actions ahoy! Over the next few weeks, one thing we can be absolutely certain of is concerted efforts by the rich, powerful and influential AGW lobby to squash the Climategate story. We’ve seen this already in the “nothing to see here” response of Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the jet-setting, troll-impersonating railway engineer who runs the IPCC and wants to stop ice being served with water in restaurants. This is why those of us who oppose his scheme to carbon-tax the global economy back to the dark ages must do everything in our power to bring the scandal to a wider audience. One way to do this is law suits.

At Ian Plimer’s lunch talk yesterday, Viscount Monckton talked of at least two in the offing – both by scientists, one British, one Canadian, who intend to pursue the CRU for criminal fraud. Their case, quite simply, is that the scientists implicated in Climategate have gained funding and career advancement by twisting data, hiding evidence, and shutting out dissenters by corrupting the peer-review process. More news on this, as I hear it.

Lord Monckton has written an indispensible summary of the Climategate revelations so far.

6. Watch out Green Dave! The Independent reports on the growing backlash within the party to Cameron’s libtard-wooing greenery. Turning to the Independent for a balanced report on environmental matters is a bit like consulting Der Sturmer for a sensible, insightful view on the Jewish question. Still, for once, the house journal of eco-loonery seems to have got it right and the point made by Tory backbencher David Davis is well made:

“The ferocious determination to impose hair-shirt policies on the public – taxes on holiday flights, or covering our beautiful countryside with wind turbines that look like props from War of the Worlds – is bound to cause a reaction in any democratic country.”

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  • Friday December 02, 2009 17:08:32
    Friday
    +12
    Soon we will hear that Al is taking a vacation! A very long vacation to a warm climate! hear al vacation vacation warm climate

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  • TruBluTopaz December 05, 2009 15:24:08
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    But the popular media isn't reporting it. You have to seek out alternative sources. And by doing that, the liberals think you aren't getting "official" information. They love "official" information because that means they dont' have to think.
  • Harry December 04, 2009 22:30:40
    Harry
    +1
    It would unravel only if the media reported on the scandal AS A SCANDAL. But it won't, and so the global warming charade will continue, only slightly tinged by the flame and not really burned much at all.
  • Formulablinta December 04, 2009 15:38:13
    Formulablinta
    +2
    Australia has LIMITED resources and KNOWS when they see a RAT.
    We depend 50% on coal and POUND FOR POUND is has the HIGHEST amount of BTU ( therms).
    IT can burn clean,and efficienntly.
    Soon ALGORE will be EXILED !! ( he will call it a vacation LOL)
  • Splinter December 04, 2009 02:08:56
    Splinter
    +1
    Oooops.........

    Algore bails on lecture at Copenhagen......
    http://hotair.com/archives/20...


    Manbearpig to send staff:
    [IMG]http://i85.photobucket.c...
  • Icanbean Arschloch December 03, 2009 17:49:50
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +3
    Cap and Trade is a green tax too. And the outcome will be that the Government will control all gas, oil and electric. "GET YOUR WALLET OUT!!!"
  • ThinkAboutIt! December 03, 2009 17:18:54
    ThinkAboutIt!
    +3
    Thank You!! Forward this to the whitehouse.
  • Spud December 03, 2009 17:09:14
    Spud
    +1
    Well... its about time, hope its not too late! Rabble rousers beware... your day is coming...!!!
  • Charles R. Anderson December 03, 2009 13:33:50
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    When the courts ruled that the EPA should consider whether CO2 was a pollutant, there was an impression that most climate scientists believed in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (AGP) . Now that this idea of consensus is crumbling, I hope that if the radical EPA continues to claim CO2 is a pollutant, that they can be taken to court and the court will rule that CO2 is not covered by the Clean Air Act.

    I have been arguing for years that many of the scientific arguments for catastrophic AGW were clearly wrong. The case was never proven. Basically, the main argument was always that more warming was occurring than could be explained by our understanding of natural forces, so it must be man's emissions of CO2 doing the warming of the late 20th Century. Well, that is a very weak argument. You see, we also could never explain many well known warm periods over millions of years either and they surely were not caused by man's emissions of CO2. Fortunately, some good work has been done in recent years by some dissenting scientists to better explain the climate based on natural forces. We still have much to learn, but if we could get the politicians to fund some of this work even a fraction of what the AGW was funded at, we would likely make rapid progress.

    I am not seek...
    When the courts ruled that the EPA should consider whether CO2 was a pollutant, there was an impression that most climate scientists believed in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (AGP) . Now that this idea of consensus is crumbling, I hope that if the radical EPA continues to claim CO2 is a pollutant, that they can be taken to court and the court will rule that CO2 is not covered by the Clean Air Act.

    I have been arguing for years that many of the scientific arguments for catastrophic AGW were clearly wrong. The case was never proven. Basically, the main argument was always that more warming was occurring than could be explained by our understanding of natural forces, so it must be man's emissions of CO2 doing the warming of the late 20th Century. Well, that is a very weak argument. You see, we also could never explain many well known warm periods over millions of years either and they surely were not caused by man's emissions of CO2. Fortunately, some good work has been done in recent years by some dissenting scientists to better explain the climate based on natural forces. We still have much to learn, but if we could get the politicians to fund some of this work even a fraction of what the AGW was funded at, we would likely make rapid progress.

    I am not seeking funds for myself here. I am busy working on improving the use of materials for the private sector in my materials analysis laboratory. But, I took a strong interest in the AGW claims about 3 years ago and quickly began a catalog of really poor science. I was dismayed at how bad these scientists were.
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  • dvines1951 December 03, 2009 13:18:13
    dvines1951
    +2
    Great post but don't look for any national headlines here in the U.S.or any retraction from the demented Gore-o-nuts. THE INTERNET IS BASICALLY OUR ONLY FORUM FOR SEEKING THE TRUTH AND EXPOSING CORRUPTION AND THAT MAY SOON BE REGULATED FOR CONTENT.
  • SATAN December 03, 2009 12:24:57
    SATAN
    +1
    There's Profit in Confusion.... Keep reading,,, Keep Believing....
  • Edie December 03, 2009 06:41:40
    Edie
    +3
    Al Gore may have to find a way to scam the public some other way this game is almost over. If he saved some of his funds he scamed maybe he can retire or go to work for Obama.
  • Love American Style December 03, 2009 06:39:12
    Love American Style
    +1
    It's obvious that it's unravelling.
  • Rick December 03, 2009 06:32:29
    Rick
    +2
    Note to Gorezilla:
    -- Call the IPCC & tell 'em to turn up the heat. The plebes are beginning to suspect something's not computing properly ...
  • wtw December 03, 2009 05:28:57
    wtw
    +3
    Obama will still push for this because it is part of the new world order to do so. Obama got elected by the corrupt new world order and there agenda will take presidence over truth unless the people of the world and other countries speak up against this sham! It is all about redistribution of wealth and diminishing the power of the US.
  • Charles... wtw December 03, 2009 13:15:10
    Charles R. Anderson
    +1
    This is true.
  • Shasta December 03, 2009 05:10:04
    Shasta
    +2
    The British press has been all over this story but mostly silence in the US. Very complex topic with lots of truths, but certain key half-truths too.



    Lot of people will have egg on their face if the story becomes widely known, Lots of people would prefer that not happen, for various reasons



    Example: Al Gore is going to look like a naïve fool.



    All the scientists agree blah, blah blah. There are a few “key” scientists that assemble all the real science and combine it into a huge mathematical model (complex equation).



    Those that control the collection, and provide conclusions for the summary report of the UN IPCC, are in a key position to include and exclude the often conflicting data and/or convert all kinds of different “data” into a common “equation”. As a result any errors, mistakes or fraud are greatly magnified and can dramatically affect the results.

    If these key people are not “trustworthy” the answer may come out radically different.



    This article, is one of an on going series that cuts through the BS and focuses on the activities of thoes that “control” the final results.



    The common myth that scientist are always objective, non-political is just that – a myth. Research grants and professional prestige can get in the way.



    Climate science an...
    The British press has been all over this story but mostly silence in the US. Very complex topic with lots of truths, but certain key half-truths too.



    Lot of people will have egg on their face if the story becomes widely known, Lots of people would prefer that not happen, for various reasons



    Example: Al Gore is going to look like a naïve fool.



    All the scientists agree blah, blah blah. There are a few “key” scientists that assemble all the real science and combine it into a huge mathematical model (complex equation).



    Those that control the collection, and provide conclusions for the summary report of the UN IPCC, are in a key position to include and exclude the often conflicting data and/or convert all kinds of different “data” into a common “equation”. As a result any errors, mistakes or fraud are greatly magnified and can dramatically affect the results.

    If these key people are not “trustworthy” the answer may come out radically different.



    This article, is one of an on going series that cuts through the BS and focuses on the activities of thoes that “control” the final results.



    The common myth that scientist are always objective, non-political is just that – a myth. Research grants and professional prestige can get in the way.



    Climate science and all its related components is the orphan stepchild of mainstream science and competes with all other fields for the pool of research funds and glamor and prestige.



    See how those might effect their judgment, unless checked and counterbalanced.


    Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
    Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with the Climategate whitewash, says Christopher Booker.
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  • gunner December 03, 2009 04:04:30
    gunner
    Over 20 yr. ago, a scientist warned that nuclear testing must stop. He claimed that the earth was yaw-ing unnaturally in it`s orbit. He was deeply worried that even if testing stopped, the orbit would not return to normal. Now the so called climate change. Hoax or real ? More and more scientist`s are 'coming out' to debunk the global warming claims. So, now we have the scandal to read about, with the miss information of climate change. Even Gore admitted it wasn`t true. But ,hey give em what they want,and they will give you their money. It is a means ,however for a one world government to form and step in to Save the Planet. Now I read in the news that CO2 is the problem. Caused by people. So, the obvious solution is for everyone to hold their breath for one hour each day and no cheating. Really tho, the earth is cooling ,not warming. The Co2 issue is just to many politicians blowing hot air.
  • SATAN gunner December 03, 2009 12:30:18
    SATAN
    The earth was (allegedly) knocked of it's axis in the 1950's a mere 7° or was that a conspired 6.66° LOL

  • gunner SATAN December 04, 2009 00:17:30
    gunner
    Get behind me Satan ! I do not submit to conspiracy theory`s,or take part in them. I try to watch for similar reports from 2-3 ,at least unrelated sources. Before I start forming an opinion. Of course, I don`t believe everything I read or hear in the normal media chanels. I go outside the realm of Fox,NBC,CBS,AP,BBC,etc. They are generally about 6-8 weeks behind real news if they even report it then. Example; 3 weeks before it was reported in the main stream media, I learned about the U.N. troops going to be on our southern border. It go`s on. My sources, to be a bit more specific, Taiwan Asian news, Cuba, Canadian broadcasts etc. I also catch Ham operators and Shortwave stations,around the world. For the most part, it is uncensored. I don`t laugh at the wobble in our orbit, go out in the evening, watch where the moon rise`s each night and sets each morning. You can see the effect. May be perhaps it`s just me and I need glasses or a shrink. But I see the moon rise in the E. set in the W. , Next night it rise`s more to the SE. and sets more to the NW. And progresses in like manner each night. When I was a kid, the moon always rose in the E. and set in the W. Now, to what degree this occurs ? Can`t answer. I`m not a scientist, just barely made it thru H.S. But I do have a question,why has nuclear testing stopped for the most part.?
  • SATAN gunner December 04, 2009 08:43:39
    SATAN
    get behind me bullshit.... my oh my... how sad... ffs get a life.. this is a public thread not a ancient biblical lifestyle....

    ooh ooh he's called gunner he must be a murderer his name has gun in it...
  • gunner SATAN December 05, 2009 22:47:34
    gunner
    Bad language the only way you communicate ? With a bit of sarcasm thrown in ? The name I chose has a alot more honor behind it than your`s.Friend. If you checked,Gunner , is not the full name. it is gunnerdd517. I served my country aboard DD517. Did 2 tours in Viet Nam. It was an Honorable Ship and it lived up to it`s name, Destroyer. I was a gunner, I earned the title. So some one like you could poke a little fun and sarcasm at, I guess. The name of the Destroyer was USS Walker. DD517 was the hull number. If you want or can , you can read it`s history on the web or someone can look it up and read it to you. Sometimes it pays to ask before you start criticizing Other wise some day you make speak to a vet who will not tolerate your language or form. And procede to alter it for you.

  • SATAN gunner December 06, 2009 09:57:17
    SATAN
    yeah whatever, but wait.. there's more... let me think... the USA supported Ho chi Min to start with giving them enough arms and munitions to start a small war, then decided that the 'VC, gook, cong' (CIA terms) were not conforming to the 'american way' and waged war on them, typical backstabbing turncoats, sounds familiar..



    There is world history which appears to differ from the convoluted american history...



    I've met Veterans, remember the Aussies? they shared memories with me, I'd care not to repeat about the US forces...



    Remember the African incident? US Forces murdering 200 Africana homesteaders?



    My g parents... [...]



    Don’t insult me with tolerance talk…



    Procede to hell... oh yeah... you're already there...



    africana homesteaders parents fuck gunner insult tolerance talk procede yeah



    Kim Phuq centred ... remember this?



    I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.... and burning flesh for lunch...
  • gunner SATAN December 06, 2009 19:53:27
    gunner
    I don`t need to insult you, or care to. I`m fascinated with your need to use bad language to get your point across. You overlooked the UN abuse and rapes of children.I was there with Aussies,great fighting men.As for being in Hell, I feel like I`m there when visiting with you. I was at the time very unhappy in the military.I got a draft notice.Choice was to submit,or Canada. I didn`t run away. But I do agree,our country has seemed to support the wrong team.That's a problem we have with our leaders.They decide who gets backed. Our leaders are power hungry,thieves.But I don`t curse the country.We need to clean out the corrupt leaders. And friend,you will have more success convincing others with civility than such anger. I`ve watched napalm laid down and I`ve fired white phosphorous explosives. We were commended for producing lots of blood trails for the marines to follow. I had no respect for communists then and even less to day. But lighten up with the anger,and answer back please, I`m interested in what you have to say.
  • SATAN gunner December 06, 2009 20:01:04
    SATAN
    My silence speaks volumes....
  • gunner SATAN December 06, 2009 20:16:43
    gunner
    I was gone for a moment visiting your profile. Yes ,unfortunately,you do fit the image I`ve formed. So,your wrong on something.That`s a lot of unhappy in there. Keep ,talking I'm here
  • gunner gunner December 06, 2009 20:29:44
    gunner
    Come on dude,don`t give up on me. What`s going on ? You are important as an individual and even if you have rejected Him, God loves you. Silence is agreement ,So do I win ? I was not playing a game. I am sincere, you sound like an interesting person. And we are going to disagree on stuff but thats ok. Bring it on !
  • SATAN gunner December 06, 2009 20:48:56
    SATAN
    +1
    l read your profile too: my analysis:

    You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself.

    While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage.

    Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside.

    At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing.

    You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations.

    You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof.

    But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others.

    At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved.

    Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.

    You're a textbook classic... get over yourself..
  • gunner SATAN December 08, 2009 02:34:17
    gunner
    Most happy to hear from you, The physc test`s I`ve taken, all say I have a very high degree of compassion for my fellow man. I really do tear up when someone has pain. I do it in private, not so any one can see how 'nice' I am. My wariness usually comes to late, I tend to trust and believe people because I don`t try to srew them or lie to them. And yes I`ve at one time dreamt of a nice cabin in the Rocky mountains. Reality. as you say dashed that dream. Get over my self? Dude, I don`t go thru doors first I hold doors for others, I have a dollar? No, we each have a 1/2 dollar. Not because I`m so generous or polite. Dude ,I don`t feel worthy to go first. Or keep my whole dollar. Sorry, I keep calling you dude. And as you can see I tell all. I don`t have any secrets. Sometimes, I`ve had my openness used against me by some who try to find weakness in others for their advantage. I don`t treat people that way. I try to respect other folks and expect them to play fair too. We, you and I got off somewhat on the wrong foot. For my part , I apologise. Take care, and thank you for talkin.
  • gunner gunner December 08, 2009 02:38:54
    gunner
    Admiration embarrasses me, I don`t handle praise very well. I worry more about hurting others feelings than I do if they like me. My definition of a friend is someone who knows all about you and likes you anyway.
  • Silverback December 03, 2009 03:40:45
    Silverback
    +2
    While the very fact that they would not allow a debate on the issue tipped me off very early on to this scam it's nice to see them finally exposed. Naturally what would you expect from an educational system that rewards those that agree with the politicians handing out the money.

    Here is a follow up question. How much science does a lawyer take in college?

    Then why should they carry any weight in scientific debates?
  • Annette December 03, 2009 03:37:50
    Annette
    +2
    We will probably be the only nation to sign that treaty! Talk abut coming back with egg on his face. But when he does, we will positively be broke! Not like we aren't now, but this would just add insult to injury.
  • Charles... Annette December 03, 2009 13:20:45
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    I do not believe Obama will get the two-thirds majority he needs in the Senate to agree to such a Copenhagen treaty now. Virtually every Republican should now have the guts to oppose it and many Democrats from coal-mining and coal-fired power plant rich areas will now vote against it.
  • Annette Charles... December 03, 2009 15:00:07
    Annette
    +1
    Unless they try to sneak it through under the guise of something else that only requires a majority vote - we had better be real alert on this one!
  • Charles... Annette December 09, 2009 16:58:03
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    Basically, the EPA has done the run around on this. The energy use cuts will occur through regulations and no politician will have to vote for it. At least we can all hold Obama responsible for it. But, make no mistake, the effects on our economy are going to be very bad and the energy user will wind up paying a lot more for using energy.
  • Javimendo Annette December 09, 2009 19:34:36
    Javimendo
    +1
    Liberals lie, liars lie liberally. We cannot trust any of them.
  • Annette Javimendo December 09, 2009 19:35:43
    Annette
    +1
    Do liberal liars liberally lie? Do they lay while they are lying? lol - great comment.
  • Javimendo Annette December 09, 2009 19:49:47
    Javimendo
    +1
    Hahaha... you said a mouth full!
  • Louisa December 03, 2009 03:10:24
    Louisa
    +4
    Yes, I believe it is unraveling; at least for the common folk. Politicians, speculators and anyone else whose career is in jeopardy will continue to deny that it was a hoax and the subject will still be around for a long time to come. It will also go into the logs of the 'Conspiracy Theory Gallery' making it subject to be brought out now and then for debate.

    I'm pretty sure that Gore is not about to let go! He's become an expert in perpetuating this hoax and it's his baby!
  • CoonOkie December 03, 2009 02:58:40
    CoonOkie
    +3
    All of the hot air is coming from Al " the alarmist" Gore so what we need to do is send his sorry ass to the North Pole and let him try and survive there.
  • 0webama is Toast December 03, 2009 02:56:48
    0webama is Toast
    +5
    It's simply amazing the way the MSM in this Country is ignoring the recent revelations that Global warming is all hot air.

    simply msm country ignoring revelations global warming hot air


    We were taught that Science was the Search for the truth. These scientist have lost all credibility.

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