
Christians can be ordered to violate beliefs
A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.
Judge’s Cynthia Fry and James Wechsler joined in the ruling by Garcia, which involved Elane Photography, whose owners, Elaine and Jonathan Huegeunin, are Christians and declined to do photography for lesbians Vanessa Willock and another woman.
The women complained under the state’s anti-discrimination requirements and a state commission, the New Mexico Human Rights Commission, imposed the penalty, which now has been affirmed by the appeals court judges. The judges explained in the 45-page ruling that the photography company is a “public accommodation” and those cannot discriminate under state law based on “sexual orientation.”
“The owners of Elane Photography must accept the reasonable regulations and restrictions imposed upon the conduct of their commercial enterprise despite their personal religious beliefs that may conflict with these governmental interests,” the judges wrote.
Officials with the Alliance Defense Fund, which has been representing Elane, said there would be an appeal.
“Americans in the marketplace should not be subjected to legal attacks for simply abiding by their beliefs,” said ADF Senior Counsel Jordan Lorence. “Should the government force a videographer who is an animal rights activist to create a video promoting hunting and taxidermy? Of course not, and neither should the government force this photographer to promote a message that violates her conscience. Because the Constitution prohibits the state from forcing unwilling artists to promote a message they disagree with, we will certainly appeal this decision to the New Mexico Supreme Court.”
It started in 2006 when Willock asked Elaine Huguenin to take pictures at her “commitment” ceremony. It was in 2009 when the ADF appealed a trial judge’s ruling in favor of the lesbians.
In reaching their decision the judges aligned photography with those that are “an essential service” under state law.
“Services, facilities and accommodations are available to the general public through a variety of resources. Elane Photography takes advantage of these available resources to market to the public at large and invite them to solicit services offered by its photography business,” the judges explained.
They cited the idea of a KKK rally asking an black photographer to supply his work, and the photographer refusing. Could then the KKK cite racial discrimination?
“The Ku Klux Klan is not a protected class,” opined the judges. “Sexual orientation, however, is protected.”
The judges continued, “The act of photographing a same-sex ceremony does not express any opinions regarding same-sex commitments, or disseminate a personal message about such ceremonies.”
They called the state requirement “a neutral regulation of commercial conduct” and said that it does not “infringe upon freedom of speech or compel unwanted expression.”
The judges wrote that the photography company’s claim of protection under the state constitution’s requirement that “no person shall ever be molested or denied any civil or political right or privilege on account of his religious opinion” was not applicable.
The judges suggested the interesting scenario of the photographer accepting the job, and vocally condemning the women while taking pictures.
“The owners are free to express their religious beliefs and tell Willock or anyone else what they think about same-sex relationships and same-sex ceremonies,” they said.
The district court decision had come from Alan M. Malott.
Malott’s ruling said the Christian owners were compelled to photograph the ceremony for Vanessa Willock and Misty Pascottini because of the state’s interest in preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation.
“Once one offers a service publicly, they must do so without impermissible exception,” the judge wrote. “Therefore, plaintiff could refuse to photograph animals or even small children, just as an architect could design only commercial buildings and not private residences. Neither animals, nor small children, nor private residences are protected classes,” he wrote.
When the district judge’s decision arrived, it seemed to substantiate the concerns of opponents of a federal “hate crimes” bill signed into law by President Obama during his first year in office that gives homosexuals special rights. Attorney General Eric Holder admitted in a congressional hearing that under the measure an attack on a homosexual would be dealt with differently than one on another citizen.
Benjamin Bull, chief counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, noted at that time, “Homosexuals got exactly what they wanted. In the marketplace of ideas, one side has now been censored. This [situation] is exactly what homosexual activists have in mind.”
Interestingly, a subsequent poll revealed that almost half of Americans believe that Christians in the United States are being persecuted by homosexual “marriage” advocates who take legal action against them over their religious beliefs, and almost one in three Democrats believes such persecution is “necessary,” according to the alarming results of a new poll
The results are from a WND/WENZEL Poll conducted for WND by the public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies.
It found that 49.2 percent of all respondents consider the legal activism against Christians and their beliefs regarding homosexuality to be “persecution.”
The question was, “There is a trend developing in which gay activists are filing lawsuits against people who refuse to do business with them on moral/religious grounds – such as when a New Mexico photographer was sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to photograph their wedding. Knowing this, which of the following statements most closely represents what you think about this?”
More than two of three Republicans called it “persecution of Christians,” along with 45 percent of independents. Even 33.1 percent of Democrats had he same answer.
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Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL 2012/06/05 06:44:39+12Well I know this doesn't look very Christian of me but right now this is my answer to him because it is my GOD given right NOT man! (ps...I cleaned it up a LOT)























a later edition? Seems that if "God" wrote these words or instructed
they be written, then only "he" could revise them. Did "he" spin down
here again and leave us some scrolls or tablets? Who is in charge of
"revising" these "words of God"? Popes? Evangelical preachers? Maybe television preachers like Joel Osteen or Jimmy Swaggart? When will they next publish a revision, which could clear up these
confusions about daughters, slaves, gardeners, dresses, and shellfish?
Barnes & Nobel or Amazon would surely like to have some new versions to sell. Or, are you the one to "revise" these "eternal words"?
Ah ha, you are the source of the new "revisions".
The requirements of the law have been fulfilled. Why are you trying to change it? For what purpose? You aren't even an Ancient Hebrew - do you even understand the purpose of the law? or why it was enacted in the first place? What does it represent? Who enacted it and why? When was it enacted and why? For how long?
Cut through all this BS, please. Just tell me if I can sell my daughter, own some slaves, kill my neighbors, or not. If NOT, then why not?
HE stated for all mankind to see that the requirements of the law have been fulfilled.
If you disagree take it up with HIM.
John 14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God;believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
word of mouth and written by the few who were literate in various languages. Like the party game of whispering a "clue" around the table, what the final version becomes is hardly recognizable by the one who commenced the story.
Then, there are hundreds of translations of letters, texts from ancient "Christians" and "scholars", etc., etc.,... thousands of such things. I can imagine the libraries of the Vatican are filled with such stuff. Recently I read that the Vatican libraries contained miles of shelved "documents" defining the origins of Christianity. Of course, they make public only those that fit their purposes, as would any such secret society.
which is to control your mind and lead you to believe what they would have you believe, which suits their purposes.
There are dozens of "Bibles" out there, hundreds of stories edited, included, and tossed aside, all with a purpose of making "religions" work for particular purposes.
As Jefferson said, it is the most dangerous of the concoctions of mankind, causing more grief and
confusion than it could ever misplace. Take the
good and positive parts to heart and leave the rest
to the wranglings of "theologians" and fools.
<< 1 Corinthians 1:18 >>
New International Version (©1984)
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
You must have some strong motivation to hate God.
At this very moment, I'm sitting here watching my neighbor working on his John Deere tractor, getting ready for his Sunday morning mowing. I'm debating whether to tell him I can now shoot him and defend myself with the "unchangeable word of God". If his wife comes out in her cotton-polyester robe I can do her in too, with the same excuse. I've already asked the neighbors to join me to rid ourselves of the fellow who grows a variety of vegetables in the same garden plot, but so far none have agreed to help me. Somehow I think my defense could be linked to the "Stand your ground" laws that these wingnuts also value. I will just "stand my ground" when they invade my space with their violations of "God's word".
At another page here on SH one of the "Christian" scholars has advised me that all the tribes and races of the earth appeared like magic just 14,000 years ago, when "God" and the angels came down in spaceships to the earth and vacationed here for a week, leaving all the millions of species and plants. Another old fellow, walking around in gold robes and waving a pot of burning incense while chanting silly accola...
At this very moment, I'm sitting here watching my neighbor working on his John Deere tractor, getting ready for his Sunday morning mowing. I'm debating whether to tell him I can now shoot him and defend myself with the "unchangeable word of God". If his wife comes out in her cotton-polyester robe I can do her in too, with the same excuse. I've already asked the neighbors to join me to rid ourselves of the fellow who grows a variety of vegetables in the same garden plot, but so far none have agreed to help me. Somehow I think my defense could be linked to the "Stand your ground" laws that these wingnuts also value. I will just "stand my ground" when they invade my space with their violations of "God's word".
At another page here on SH one of the "Christian" scholars has advised me that all the tribes and races of the earth appeared like magic just 14,000 years ago, when "God" and the angels came down in spaceships to the earth and vacationed here for a week, leaving all the millions of species and plants. Another old fellow, walking around in gold robes and waving a pot of burning incense while chanting silly accolades, actually believes he represents these space travelers with rules and lessons about what they want those left behind to do, say, and dream of.
It is such nonsense that sometimes leads me to tease these
borderline lunatics about their silliness. Should I stop this amusement and just let them dance and sing as they please? What if they commence to again burn their mothers and daughters at stakes in the village square? Should I try to intervene, of just let them pollute the air with that awful smell of burning human flesh that so "glorifies God" by killing witches?
thought.
New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
All you are doing is making yourself look foolish and uninformed.
<< Matthew 5:17 >>
New International Version (©1984)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
<< Romans 10:4 >>
New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
International Standard Version (©2008)
For the Messiah is the culmination of the law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Christ is the fulfillment of Moses' Teachings so that everyone who has faith may receive God's approval.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes.
American King James Version
For Christ is the end of the law fo...
<< Romans 10:4 >>
New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
International Standard Version (©2008)
For the Messiah is the culmination of the law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Christ is the fulfillment of Moses' Teachings so that everyone who has faith may receive God's approval.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes.
American King James Version
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes.
American Standard Version
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For the end of the law is Christ, unto justice to every one that believeth.
Darby Bible Translation
For Christ is the end of law for righteousness to every one that believes.
English Revised Version
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.
Webster's Bible Translation
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Weymouth New Testament
For as a means of righteousness Christ is the termination of Law to every believer.
World English Bible
For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Young's Literal Translation
For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to every one who is believing,
New Covenant versus Old. Christians practice the new covenant, and not Jewish law.
word of God"? Why not come out and clearly say what you claim - "God's instructions
of an earlier time were wrong, he didn't mean all those things, so forget them and just
read the first half of this book". When will the next revised issue be published? Maybe
all the conflicts of today will be cleared up in the new versions?