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Christians can be ordered to violate beliefs

SunShine 2012/06/05 05:51:03

A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.


Judge’s Cynthia Fry and James Wechsler joined in the ruling by Garcia, which involved Elane Photography, whose owners, Elaine and Jonathan Huegeunin, are Christians and declined to do photography for lesbians Vanessa Willock and another woman.







The women complained under the state’s anti-discrimination requirements and a state commission, the New Mexico Human Rights Commission, imposed the penalty, which now has been affirmed by the appeals court judges. The judges explained in the 45-page ruling that the photography company is a “public accommodation” and those cannot discriminate under state law based on “sexual orientation.”


“The owners of Elane Photography must accept the reasonable regulations and restrictions imposed upon the conduct of their commercial enterprise despite their personal religious beliefs that may conflict with these governmental interests,” the judges wrote.


Officials with the Alliance Defense Fund, which has been representing Elane, said there would be an appeal.


“Americans in the marketplace should not be subjected to legal attacks for simply abiding by their beliefs,” said ADF Senior Counsel Jordan Lorence. “Should the government force a videographer who is an animal rights activist to create a video promoting hunting and taxidermy? Of course not, and neither should the government force this photographer to promote a message that violates her conscience. Because the Constitution prohibits the state from forcing unwilling artists to promote a message they disagree with, we will certainly appeal this decision to the New Mexico Supreme Court.”


It started in 2006 when Willock asked Elaine Huguenin to take pictures at her “commitment” ceremony. It was in 2009 when the ADF appealed a trial judge’s ruling in favor of the lesbians.


In reaching their decision the judges aligned photography with those that are “an essential service” under state law.


“Services, facilities and accommodations are available to the general public through a variety of resources. Elane Photography takes advantage of these available resources to market to the public at large and invite them to solicit services offered by its photography business,” the judges explained.


They cited the idea of a KKK rally asking an black photographer to supply his work, and the photographer refusing. Could then the KKK cite racial discrimination?


“The Ku Klux Klan is not a protected class,” opined the judges. “Sexual orientation, however, is protected.”


The judges continued, “The act of photographing a same-sex ceremony does not express any opinions regarding same-sex commitments, or disseminate a personal message about such ceremonies.”


They called the state requirement “a neutral regulation of commercial conduct” and said that it does not “infringe upon freedom of speech or compel unwanted expression.”


The judges wrote that the photography company’s claim of protection under the state constitution’s requirement that “no person shall ever be molested or denied any civil or political right or privilege on account of his religious opinion” was not applicable.


The judges suggested the interesting scenario of the photographer accepting the job, and vocally condemning the women while taking pictures.


“The owners are free to express their religious beliefs and tell Willock or anyone else what they think about same-sex relationships and same-sex ceremonies,” they said.


The district court decision had come from Alan M. Malott.


Malott’s ruling said the Christian owners were compelled to photograph the ceremony for Vanessa Willock and Misty Pascottini because of the state’s interest in preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation.


“Once one offers a service publicly, they must do so without impermissible exception,” the judge wrote. “Therefore, plaintiff could refuse to photograph animals or even small children, just as an architect could design only commercial buildings and not private residences. Neither animals, nor small children, nor private residences are protected classes,” he wrote.


When the district judge’s decision arrived, it seemed to substantiate the concerns of opponents of a federal “hate crimes” bill signed into law by President Obama during his first year in office that gives homosexuals special rights. Attorney General Eric Holder admitted in a congressional hearing that under the measure an attack on a homosexual would be dealt with differently than one on another citizen.


Benjamin Bull, chief counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, noted at that time, “Homosexuals got exactly what they wanted. In the marketplace of ideas, one side has now been censored. This [situation] is exactly what homosexual activists have in mind.”


Interestingly, a subsequent poll revealed that almost half of Americans believe that Christians in the United States are being persecuted by homosexual “marriage” advocates who take legal action against them over their religious beliefs, and almost one in three Democrats believes such persecution is “necessary,” according to the alarming results of a new poll


The results are from a WND/WENZEL Poll conducted for WND by the public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies.


It found that 49.2 percent of all respondents consider the legal activism against Christians and their beliefs regarding homosexuality to be “persecution.”


The question was, “There is a trend developing in which gay activists are filing lawsuits against people who refuse to do business with them on moral/religious grounds – such as when a New Mexico photographer was sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to photograph their wedding. Knowing this, which of the following statements most closely represents what you think about this?”


More than two of three Republicans called it “persecution of Christians,” along with 45 percent of independents. Even 33.1 percent of Democrats had he same answer.


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  • princess 2012/06/11 22:42:28
    princess
    And who still thinks that Christians aren't under attack by anti-Christian OVomit and his administration??
  • gocar 2012/06/10 18:31:38
    gocar
    If the photographer is offering a service to the general public and in business to serve the PUBLIC then I don't believe they are allowed to refuse service based on their own bias. It was the same if you own a restaurant that is open to the public. You cannot pick and choose who you will or will not serve. That is what the civil rights laws are all about.
  • PeterB gocar 2012/06/10 19:15:30 (edited)
    PeterB
    Civil rights laws address race and religious discrimination. Don’t recall any among them referencing or addressing homosexual rights or issues. We all discriminate every day of our lives by picking and choosing this over that, according to our personal preferences. That’s called “being discriminating.”That is not illegal!
    If you owned that restaurant you mentioned above, that was open to the public, and someone walked in and spit or urinated on the floor, Is it your opinion that you could not refuse to serve them. Of course not. Overt public homosexual behavior is offensive to major segments of our society. Making a public stink about a photographer who prefers not to take pictures of a homosexual wedding, was, in and of itself, a publicity stunt designed to further the homosexual agenda! The goal is to get themselves protected by law, just as people are who were BORN black, or red or yellow or Jewish, etc., something these folks had nothing to do with. There’s a difference.
  • THE REAL STORY 2012/06/08 15:25:52
    THE REAL STORY
    Well, New Mexico is considered the dumbest State in the Union after all. The U.S. Constitution forbids such actions.
    "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE"
  • Lanikai 2012/06/07 18:35:06
    Lanikai
    +1
    We are supposed to have Freedom OF religion and freedom to practice our religion in this country. I guess that only applies to atheists and muslimes now.
  • Lanikai 2012/06/07 18:34:18
    Lanikai
    +1
    No possible way. NO POSSIBLE WAY.


    This is BS, they NEVER force muslimes to violate THEIR beliefs to serve the general public, so NOOOOOOOOOO.

    Damnable liberal judges.
  • bettyboop 2012/06/07 13:46:05
    bettyboop
    +1
    Plueeze, a man has a right to refuse business if he so chooses. Hello, not everyone things homosexuality is right.
  • Rodney 2012/06/06 05:02:28
    Rodney
    +2
    Standard Liberal insanity. I wonder if Elane Photography had posted the sign seen in Bars and other establishments (We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service To Anyone) they would have been protected?
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/06 02:31:43
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    Make it persecution. It is peresecution of a Chrisditan. We all knew this would happenn, but we all hoped it would be later. On you knees Believers and pray for redemption and peace. Pray for justice to reign
  • jean 2012/06/06 00:05:43
    jean
    +3
    The Christian Church has historically grown during times of persecution. TIME TO GROW!
  • Lanikai jean 2012/06/07 18:36:09
    Lanikai
    +1
    It is always darkest prior to the dawn, so this must signal the great revival.
  • jean Lanikai 2012/06/08 00:11:42
    jean
    +1
    Yes that is my belief also.
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/05 23:20:08
    Ambassador II
    I really will be upset if "Christians" are ordered to not do the things their "Bible" book tells them to do, such as: (1) Gather the neighbors and kill the one that works in his yard on Sunday, (2) Kill the woman who wears cloth made of two threads such as cotton/polyester, (3) Ask the entire town to join in stoning the old man who plants more than one vegetable in his garden, (4) Sell their daughters to a neighboring tribe for being disobedient, and (5) Owning slaves, so long as they are from a neighboring country, like Mexico or Canada. Now, these are serious "rights" that come with claiming to be a "Christian". Should the Courts or that awful black man, Obama, try to stop you "believers", you just get your sheets and pillow cases on and take your guns to the "Cross Burning" in the park, to show your contempt for these "laws of man" that interfere with the "laws of God" in the story book.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/05 23:38:22
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +3
    I wonder if you're really that stupid or are you just trying to get someone to point out your lack of understanding.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/06 02:26:47
    Ambassador II
    If you have a Bible and can read, check out the following:
    Exodus 21:7 - sell the daughter; Leviticus 25:44 - own some slaves; Exodus 35:2 - kill the neighbor; Leviticus 19:19 - kill another neighbor; Leviticus 24:10-16 - kill a third neighbor. And, of course, all those who ever ate at Long John Silvers or Red Lobster are
    doomed to spend eternity in a flaming hell (Leviticus 11:10).

    What's to understand when these great and unchanging truths are so clearly written in the many translations of the "words of God". Yessir, we dare not deny these "rights" to
    the "Christians" who kill their neighbors every day for these offenses, else they will go to Hell also for failing to carry out the demands of a "vengeful God". What to do, what to do?
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/06 07:44:20
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +3
    OK so now we know.

    You really are that stupid.

    New Testament doctrine shows Levitical law could not be followed. It's the whole reason for grace.
    If you were half the brain trust you think you are you would know that.
    But like the rest you think you know it all. God had a message for you thousands of years ago.

    Romans 1:22 read it and learn something about yourself.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/06 20:47:41 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Why would a society of delusioned sorts publish hundreds of millions of copies of a book containing knowingly false and dangerous materials encouraging people to kill other humans for the most foolish reasons? Could they not imagine that some would be persuaded to pick up on the instructions and begin to "carry out the work of God" by buying some slaves, selling their daughters, and shooting the neighbor who mows his lawn on Sunday morning?

    The whole idea is, of course, a fairy tale from a time when only a very few were literate and the "clergy" could bamboozle the ignorant masses with any story of daring do that crossed their minds and increased the donations that enabled them to live off the "believers". It is one of the most successful mind bending schemes ever. Nothing before or since has come even close to the success of the Catholic Church and it's imitators to fill the basements with treasures from all over the world. Only "Reaganomics" comes close in such pillage of the world for the benefit of so few.

    I'm jealous, of course, for the U.S. Customs Service wouldn't let me bring the two "slaves" from Mexico even when I showed them my "authority" of the Bible.
    I suppose those "atheists" just wage a war against these "Christian rights" and we need to make a "revolution" of some sort to again make the Bible our source of "rights" and opportunities to own some slaves, sell the mouthy kids, and shoot that dammed neighbor right off his John Deere mower.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/06 21:46:31
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +3
    Ahhh so now the truth comes out {Only "Reaganomics"} its not that you're an athiest so much as you are a practitioner of "Victim mentality" blaming others for your own short coming in life. Now the kernel of truth is exposed. From your own answers it is quite obvious you blame your failure in life on others success and the Catholic Church. I am no fan of Catholic doctrine. However their grasp on world power wained long ago. Martin Luther exposed the corruption hundreds of years past. It's time for you to wake up and take responsibility for yourself. Ronald Wilson Reagan nor the Pope is responsible for the fact you're a loser.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/06 22:01:30 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    You have the usual lacking sense of where the world spins. It would be hard to prove me a "loser", being that I'm happily retired from a long professional career, part of the "Top 5% Club", have two graduate degrees on my wall of memories, and enjoy a close family and six wonderful grandchildren.

    I was warned in advance of "Reaganomics" being made public, by Reagan's cabinet secretaries, of the plans that would follow, banking deregulation, tax code revisions, gathering "all the investment capital of the Nation" into the hands of Wall Street and the Reagan Banks, where it "can be best managed to finance the emerging economies of the world". For that reason, I lost very little in the ensuing shift of $27Trillion from America's middle class to the "Top 2% Club" and corporations. For myself, I have to be grateful for the warning. For all those who were fleeced and pillaged, I have tears and regrets. For those who would again wish to bring these same forces back to power over the economy and Government, I have nothing but contempt for their calloused disregard of their history, or their ignorance that leads them to again wish this calamity upon the Nation.

    All of that is unrelated to the fact that I can't have my two beautiful "slaves" the Customs Service made me leave behind.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/07 01:20:33
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +2
    HAHAHAHA Top 5% ?.
    Well OK.
    Although you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical. Very few people of means Brag or comment on their personal worth.

    Reagan banks? Laughable.

    The simple fact you think slavery is an OK institution proves you don't realize it's a zero sum gain.
    Every society in history has at some point realized that it actually cost more to maintain a slave then the benefits of having one.
    Basicly 'The juice wasn't worth the squeeze'
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/07 02:30:40 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    I made no "brag" of anything, merely described my status that is far removed from your use of the term "loser", implying a life lacking in worth. I've done well, been in places of importance, and have kept
    my senses about me, free of ideologies and unfounded leanings.

    My references to "slaves" is, of course, an obvious pun arising from the
    Bible's permissions to own slaves, so long as the come from "neighboring" countries. Did you really miss that connection?
  • Lanikai Thor Am... 2012/06/07 18:38:13
    Lanikai
    +1
    pearls before swine, dear, this is pearls before swine.
  • Ambassa... Lanikai 2012/06/07 18:41:44
    Ambassador II
    I know, but I thought you might understand the spin on the absurdities of the Bible stories.
  • Lanikai Ambassa... 2012/06/07 18:50:41
    Lanikai
    +2
    There are no absurdities and no fallacies in the bible. It does not lie, nor does it contradict itself. And I have ZERO tolerance for people who try to claim otherwise.
  • Ambassa... Lanikai 2012/06/07 18:56:18
    Ambassador II
    So, when can I bring my slaves across the border, and when can I shoot my neighbor off his John Deere on Sunday morning? Hurry, the weekend is fast approaching and his grass is high enough to be mowed this Sunday. Would you like to buy a mouthy daughter, cheap?
  • Lanikai Ambassa... 2012/06/07 19:25:40
    Lanikai
    +2
    Once again, none of that is New covenant.

    But check with the muslimes, they get away with everything in America now.
  • Ambassa... Lanikai 2012/06/07 20:14:59 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Remind me who it was that determined "God" did not really intend the things published in the "Old Testament" ... was that an earlier Pope, maybe Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Baker? I really don't understand how these "words of God" have become outdated. I thought the "words" were "eternal" and "unchanging truths". Can we expect another change or revision anytime soon?
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/07 21:54:35
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +1
    OK again you have proven you know absolutly nothing. You think you do. But thats fine

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    Gods covenant IS in fact still valid and as soon as man can follow it to the letter than he will be as perfect as God himself.
    Nothings changed. However........Man is in fact a fallen creature. It is IMPOSSIBLE to follow a line of perfection. That is the whole point of grace.

    Your problem is really quite simple. You want to over think the issue. Did you bother reading Romans 1:22 or was THAT over your head.

    Here's one even easier. Mark 5:36 It is the simplist of all verses.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/07 23:53:42
    Ambassador II
    I just want to bring those beauties from Mexico to do my bidding, as the Bible says I am entitled to do. Then, I want to sell my daughter and shoot the neighbor who wakes me on Sunday mornings riding his dammed mower. The Bible, that "unchanging word of God" tell me I can do all of this and you are telling me I can do these things only if I am a Jew, and I'm willing to become a Jew if that will enable me to get on with these things. I will even give up eating shellfish and growing two kinds of plants in my small garden, if that will clear up these confusions. Reading more conflicting instructions from a "divine source" is not helpful.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/08 05:01:53
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +1
    I know you are having great fun with making atheists look so damn stupid. Those daughters you want to bring in from Mexico and whore out wouldn't be the same ones ACORN advised you on would they?
    Becoming a Jew has nothing to do with anything BTW. Nice try at misdirect but it failed.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/08 05:17:35 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    See, now you change the rules to suit your story. I was told just an hour ago that the rules were made for Jews, not gentiles or Christians. Now, when I am willing to become a Jew so as to avail myself of these advantageous rules you tell me that won't work. Little wonder the world has had a thousand wars over such things and the spinning interpretations by every "expert" on theology and "Bibles" and such stories. That woman, jean, told me that "God's laws" found in the "Old Testament" were made for Jews. She didn't say they were just for "presently existing" Jews, or "yesterday's Jews". Geeesh, such a mess, just to acquire a couple of slaves and get rid of a daughter and a neighbor.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/08 22:36:38
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    I'm beginning to see it now.

    You're Bipolar. You claim to be an athiest yet are willing to become Jewish so you can either whore out your daugher and kill your neighbor. OR you want to kill your neighbor for whoreing your daughter on his John Deere.
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/09 00:12:57
    Ambassador II
    Your world is sooo complicated. I just want to follow the "eternal and unchanging words" of that space traveler who stopped here and made a mess of things.
  • Lanikai Thor Am... 2012/06/08 15:38:11
    Lanikai
    Bravo.

    i think this one either misunderstands the covenants on purpose OR practices a foreign religion of some variety. Pearls before swine.
  • Thor Am... Ambassa... 2012/06/07 21:40:09
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +1
    You have again proven you lack basic understanding into simple principals. In case you missed the memo 'New Testament' The Levitical law was a teaching tool. Perhaps the following may lead you to an understanding (but I doubt you'll grasp it either) Hebrews 10:4
  • Ambassa... Thor Am... 2012/06/07 21:45:06
    Ambassador II
    Oh, I see. That "God" fellow, he just was fooling around with us when he told the Jews to eat fish on Friday and kill their neighbors, but not to eat those awful "shellfish". Is that maybe the reason they can't agree with the Palestinians about being neighbors? Never thought of that until now. Yes, that must be it.
  • jean Ambassa... 2012/06/08 00:17:38
    jean
    +1
    Again - you are merely showing your ignorance before all CHRISTENDOM.
  • Thor Am... jean 2012/06/08 05:03:39
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    +2
    That's what I was telling him?Her? it? whatever it is.
  • jean Ambassa... 2012/06/08 00:16:52
    jean
    +1
    You know nothing about the bible.
  • Ambassa... jean 2012/06/08 00:28:44
    Ambassador II
    I know the verses of the story book that I referenced above, which entitle me to "rights" from "God" to sell my daughter, kill several of my neighbors, and own slaves. Either this "God" thingy wrote those words or not, and if "he" did then I want to bring my two "friends" from Mexico into the U.S. as my "slaves", standing on the "eternal truths of the word of God" and all that sort of stuff. You could be of help instead of accusing me of incorrectly citing the specific entitlements as I did. Either the story book is filled with truths and laws or it is just another fiction like Alice In Wonderland.

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