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Masatone 2011/02/26 21:48:31
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Slavery in the Bible

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)


Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, ornot being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killingchildren who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.


1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


4) Miscellaneous Murders

More of Samson's Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)




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  • Tired BN-0 2011/02/28 21:03:34
    Undecided.
    Tired BN-0
    +3
    The answers you have provided don't really give clear positions to take. With that said, there is much about Christianity that I do not approve of. The same can be said of Judaism and Islam. I am not as versed in Sikhism or Hinduism, so I'm not prepared to go into those. Basically, I don't approve of any religion which seeks to set one gender above the other. The big Three are all Patriarchal religions which in various ways subjegate women. I find the hypocracy in the bible disturbing, but not more so than I see those who would use the bible to justify their continued hatred, prejudice, discrimination, and persecution of others who don't agree with them.

    Apart from my opinions, nice work putting your piece together.

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  • PEEPL 2011/03/18 04:47:41
    No it should not be about the bible
    PEEPL
    +1
    The internet is just now catching up to how profane some of the bible is.
    internet catching profane bible x rated bible
  • Misanphilothrope 2011/03/08 11:39:04
    No it should not be about the bible
    Misanphilothrope
    +2
    Slavery will of course appear in the bible considering that such a practice wasn't actively and directly opposed prior to the civil war. Most ancient cultures the bible refers to practiced slavery as a socially acceptable convention considered "good" similar to the questionable trends in contemporary society such as rampant environmental pollution, military proliferation etc. Much of the cheap labor from developing countries imposes slavery-like conditions, so I'm not surprised it is in the bible. It would be interesting to find a companion to the bible weeding out good from bad moral practice in the bible if the book is to be valuable at all.
  • Tired BN-0 2011/02/28 21:03:34
    Undecided.
    Tired BN-0
    +3
    The answers you have provided don't really give clear positions to take. With that said, there is much about Christianity that I do not approve of. The same can be said of Judaism and Islam. I am not as versed in Sikhism or Hinduism, so I'm not prepared to go into those. Basically, I don't approve of any religion which seeks to set one gender above the other. The big Three are all Patriarchal religions which in various ways subjegate women. I find the hypocracy in the bible disturbing, but not more so than I see those who would use the bible to justify their continued hatred, prejudice, discrimination, and persecution of others who don't agree with them.

    Apart from my opinions, nice work putting your piece together.
  • kobidobidog 2011/02/28 20:39:58
    Undecided.
    kobidobidog
    Non of the versus were from the king James version
    That is not good from the get go.

    The slavery is not what humans tell you for we are a slave to the king of lovers willingly to obtain Joys we can't imagine in this body that dies.

    Leviticus 25,39And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40,But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner.
    This says that the slave thing is false. The human was having mercy on a poor human even as we should do likewise.
    That human was treated as if he was adopted into his family even as we are adopted, grafted into the family of God.
    47, Things would shift when the sojourner became rich to help the one who helped him.
    47And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee.They end up supporting each other Whoever has need ,help is given.

    The brother is the one who helped the stranger.Rolls are reversed.

    Accusations of God endorsing Murder is false, Jesus who is the Lord God in the flesh never harmed anyone,and in fact healed many, and laid his life down for us forgiving those that killed him. That is showing the devil accuser is in the one who wrote this bl...













    Non of the versus were from the king James version
    That is not good from the get go.

    The slavery is not what humans tell you for we are a slave to the king of lovers willingly to obtain Joys we can't imagine in this body that dies.

    Leviticus 25,39And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40,But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner.
    This says that the slave thing is false. The human was having mercy on a poor human even as we should do likewise.
    That human was treated as if he was adopted into his family even as we are adopted, grafted into the family of God.
    47, Things would shift when the sojourner became rich to help the one who helped him.
    47And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee.They end up supporting each other Whoever has need ,help is given.

    The brother is the one who helped the stranger.Rolls are reversed.

    Accusations of God endorsing Murder is false, Jesus who is the Lord God in the flesh never harmed anyone,and in fact healed many, and laid his life down for us forgiving those that killed him. That is showing the devil accuser is in the one who wrote this blasphemous page.

    You want to know what the law of God is;Look to Jesus who is the fulfillment of all of the laws of the prophets.
    Matthew 5:17:King James Bible
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    Jesus is pure love .The purest love that could ever be,and Jesus is the Lord God even as Thomas exclaimed. This means all of the railing accusations against God are false
    Humans in their error seek to harm another in one way or the other.

    Mark 2:27 Sabbath King James Bible
    And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath'



    The saved are a given an inheritance saved permanently into the kingdom of God. What happens to the poor human finding refuge with a human richer than he is is like God buying us back when he in the form of Jesus that died for us on the cross.
    Humans do not have the law of God in their inward parts to think negatively about the King James Bible. Humans who are negitive do not have the one thing that comes from outside themselves ,and that is love. That is a lot more than making love,and making love is in reality not love for Jesus was all about love,and he did not have sex. Howbeit sex can one way of showing trusting love to be close, and intimate. When you think about it when Jesus is having sex when you have sex being marred to your soul having sex when you have sex.
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  • Tired BN-0 kobidob... 2011/02/28 21:05:33
    Tired BN-0
    ....What?
  • kobidob... Tired BN-0 2011/03/03 23:26:50 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    The king James is the one you should read,and God does not seek blood for he has no blood in him. We have blood in us so we have the propensity to seek blood even as devils seek our blood,and that is why idol worshipers demanded human sacrifice calling it good,and why humans have military armies,and weapons of war calling it good sacrificing like Ball,and other false gods.

    You have God all wrong,God is Jesus in the new,and Jesus is merciful, full of grace, and loving truth beyond understanding. I see errors in your thinking all over the place. I can teach you a lot.
  • Tired BN-0 kobidob... 2011/03/04 06:25:05
    Tired BN-0
    I can teach you quite a bit, too. To start with, try getting a tutor for grammer and spelling. For example, when you use plural nouns try to keep your verbs plural as well. "Accusations of God endorsing Murder is false..." you see, you said "accusations" meaning more than one accusation, but then you wrote "is", and that is singular. You should have used "are", as that is the plural. Thus, "Accusations of God endorsing murder are false". You see?

    Now, as for the KJB (King James Bible), That version also gave us the verse Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". The problem here is that prior to the KJB, that phrase is not found in the bible. Why? Because James was deathly afraid of Witches, so he told his scribes to add it in. Now, is this God's word, or James's?"

    But I digress. The arguement you first made was that slavery was not actual slavery. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Slavery was common practice during that period, and was seen as acceptable. You may wish to think that slaves were treated well, but that is also in error. While not every slave owner treated their slaves equally harshly, they WERE property and as such could be beaten, raped, sold, or killed with out breaking any law. At the best, if one man killed another man's slave, he might have to pa...



    I can teach you quite a bit, too. To start with, try getting a tutor for grammer and spelling. For example, when you use plural nouns try to keep your verbs plural as well. "Accusations of God endorsing Murder is false..." you see, you said "accusations" meaning more than one accusation, but then you wrote "is", and that is singular. You should have used "are", as that is the plural. Thus, "Accusations of God endorsing murder are false". You see?

    Now, as for the KJB (King James Bible), That version also gave us the verse Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". The problem here is that prior to the KJB, that phrase is not found in the bible. Why? Because James was deathly afraid of Witches, so he told his scribes to add it in. Now, is this God's word, or James's?"

    But I digress. The arguement you first made was that slavery was not actual slavery. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Slavery was common practice during that period, and was seen as acceptable. You may wish to think that slaves were treated well, but that is also in error. While not every slave owner treated their slaves equally harshly, they WERE property and as such could be beaten, raped, sold, or killed with out breaking any law. At the best, if one man killed another man's slave, he might have to pay restitution, but that is as far as it went.

    Now, I understand that this was life in those days, and while it is not acceptable now, it was then. However, that does not mean that we should accept the bible as God's word literally, should we? Because if God/Jesus were really as full of compassion as you'd like us to believe, than why did the bible say slavery was acceptable? If, on the other hand, the bible was written by men of that time, then of course they would see slavery as acceptable - but that would mean that the bible was not written by God.

    So, what errors in thinking would you like to clear up?
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  • kobidob... Tired BN-0 2011/04/21 22:06:01 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    +1
    I know the accusations against God are false.Thanks for the English lesson^^. We are a slave to Jesus, are we not? We are nothing without Jesus in us doing his will in us,and that is a form of slavery that is freeing. I think flesh, and blood wants to make God look bad anyway they can. When we know the Love of God beyond understanding we will not hurt anyone, agreed? The true witches are the one concocting brews in the pharmaceutical industry.Jesus is not a task master,and to implicate that he is for slavery is mans physical way of thinking. Gods is not a task master for his Yoke is easy,and his burdens are light. Jesus is God in the flesh,and God does not change, but men do. Men perverted the word of God making it not after the image of God. Humans refused the holy spirit, and that is why many translations exist,and why humans became task masters acting like Satan, and not God, and what followed are jails,and the legal system which makes slaves of all of us putting humans in bondage.


    nslations exist.slations exist. The spirit is needed to see spiritual things.
  • Tired BN-0 kobidob... 2011/04/22 07:16:36
    Tired BN-0
    You may be a slave to your God, but I am not a slave to the Lady and Lord. Through my faith I have learned that love does come from within as well as from without.
  • eyes wide open 2011/02/27 03:55:06
    Undecided.
    eyes wide open
    +1
    to me its proof that we are not all gods children .and created in his image means something, and not spirit . ever wonder why the first quarter of the bible is genealogy so and so begot so and so . umm curiouser and curiouser .
  • kobidob... eyes wi... 2011/02/28 20:42:34 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    All of us are lost in a blood filled body that dies,and God who made eternity sought us,and the humans God sought are venomous in tongue,and this venom is written in this comment.Jesus is the fulfillment of the law,and that is love,and those that love have the spirit of Jesus who is God in them. Those that love would not write the things in this long comment. Non are from the KJB ether.
  • Pete 2011/02/26 23:25:36
    Undecided.
    Pete
    +1
    God gives and God takes. God is in control men must obey Him. You are questioning God motive. God is master of your life and He control your life. You are not your own master...Peace be with you
  • kobidob... Pete 2011/02/28 20:55:06
    kobidobidog
    +1
    You are right, we are bought with a price,The price of the death of Jesus who is Lord. Because he laid his prefect life down for us he raised up from the dead and will take those that love him to be where he is forever in eternal Joy,and that joy can begin to be in us now with Jesus who is heaven in us loving all.
  • seathanaich 2011/02/26 23:06:04
    Yes it should be on the bible
    seathanaich
    +2
    Since I don't think Christianity is good, your statement doesn't actually apply to me. I'm already aware of many of the things that you have highlighted. Cheers.
  • Masatone seathan... 2011/02/26 23:08:53
    Masatone
    +1
    Neither religion is better then the other, and i meant to say it may not be as good is you think. It's depends on the indivuals interpretations, of the bible and religions some people use the bible for good and some people use it for evil.
  • seathan... Masatone 2011/02/26 23:11:52
    seathanaich
    +1
    It can't be as "good" as I think, because I don't think it's good to begin with.
  • Masatone seathan... 2011/02/26 23:16:16
    Masatone
    +1
    I told you i meant to say it "may" not be good as you think. And i did'nt hand out names because im entitling to everybody, some know the good and evil in it some don't. And i don't know how virgin sacrafices and slavery and torture is a good thing.
  • kobidob... Masatone 2011/02/28 21:09:50 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    The evil things you see are from the master deceiver,and father of lies Satan. It is because of him there is death of all things.God is the giver of life,and eternity.Life = God -= the good thing. Satan who is death = the bad thing. The bad thing tries to convince the mind of men that the good thing God is bad-in the minds of men that die.Those that have the spirit of God in them will do good to whoever no mater what name they go by or what external belief they may have.
  • kobidob... Masatone 2011/02/28 21:00:19
    kobidobidog
    The KJB,and also known as the KJV in Biblos on the web is good,and evil perverts it.
  • kobidob... seathan... 2011/02/28 20:57:58
    kobidobidog
    The Christianity that you do not think is good is a den of devils cackling seeking the blood of humans calling it good even as we eat food.
  • tewaz1 2011/02/26 21:59:22
    Undecided.
    tewaz1
    +2
    I'm not actually sure what the responses above mean.
    The Bible was written by barbaric men who lived in a barbaric culture and a barbaric time, so it is no surprise that the actual words of the text would reflect such barbarism. Other texts from that period show the same cruelty, with Greek and some Eastern texts showing to be a bit more advanced socially.
    That said, some Christians allow the barbarism of the Bible to justify their own barbarism, while many others look to what positive things they can glean from the text and act on those to make the world a better place. Really, in the end, the Bible is just impetus for people to act upon their nature; if they are violent, petty, selfish, and cruel, they will find justification for acting on this from the text, if they are kind, compassionate, conscientious, generous, and gracious, they will find scripture that helps them to maintain these virtues. This is why sacred texts last so long, they are ambiguous enough to mean whatever you need or want them to mean at any given time.
  • kobidob... tewaz1 2011/02/28 21:19:33
    kobidobidog
    +1
    War is barbaric,and humans unfortunately war to this very day. it is just out of sight,and therefore for many out of mind. Killing some one while they are out of sight of the killer.The words you are reading are from perversions of the King James Bible. God is Jesus who loves us more than we could possibly love each other,and Jesus is the fulfillment of love,and that makes all of the accusations given about God an out,and out demonic lie.
  • tewaz1 kobidob... 2011/03/01 05:37:15
    tewaz1
    +1
    I agree with you completely on the perversions of Western Biblical translation.
    We live, however, in the most peaceful time in human history.
    I would argue that it seems worse because war and crime and tragedy are anything but invisible in this age of information and communication. There was a study on that recently, and per capita, the world still sees less violence, even considering the world wars, than any other time in history. Humans are, indeed, barbaric animals, but we are much less so now than in Biblical times.
    Thanks for the thoughtful post! :)
  • JustCallMeBub 2011/02/26 21:54:37
    Undecided.
    JustCallMeBub
    Deception is not as good as you think
  • tewaz1 JustCal... 2011/02/26 22:00:19
    tewaz1
    +1
    Hello!
    I love the avi.
    I'm not sure what you mean here, though.
  • Masatone tewaz1 2011/02/26 22:06:43
    Masatone
    +1
    The video means, if the law should be based on the bible. Some people would use the evil stuff instead of the positive stuff that been preached.
  • tewaz1 Masatone 2011/02/26 22:09:15
    tewaz1
    +1
    Oh, the law most certainly should not be based on the Bible, especially considering that even after thousands of years, even Biblical scholars, let alone everyday Christians, cannot agree on what the Bible actually means or what points are important or not.
  • JustCal... tewaz1 2011/02/26 22:07:17
    JustCallMeBub
    +1
    It doesn't matter"" I think my friend here made friends just to have a field day with Christians, and that friendship will be short lived
  • tewaz1 JustCal... 2011/02/26 22:12:47
    tewaz1
    +2
    Oh, I see. It is antagonistic. I don't think it is intended as a jab at Christians so much as Biblical literalists, though. It isn't a deception, in so much as those things are, indeed, in the Bible. The post could have benefitted, though, with the caveat that very few people are truly literalists. Most people take the positive teachings in the Bible and use it to make the world better, understanding the cultural context in which some of the more horrific passages were written.
  • kobidob... tewaz1 2011/02/28 21:29:27
    kobidobidog
    +1
    The bible is literally about Loving your neighbor as yourself,and doing good to whoever,and whoever does not grasp this truth will end up coloring whatever in the KJB, with the shades of the dark one who is the accuser.The dark one will also give confusion,and that is why we have 47 translations,and possibly more on the way.Therefore see anyone accusing God who made eternity, and all things man did nor make bad,and automatically tell yourself that guy has an evil spirit in him that should not be there.
  • tewaz1 kobidob... 2011/03/01 05:39:29
    tewaz1
    +1
    Kobidobidog, this is a very thoughtful reply,
    I truly wish that more Christians would really examine the Bible and take the positive from it rather than just buying into whatever the recent religious fad happens to be.
  • Masatone JustCal... 2011/02/26 22:13:18
    Masatone
    +1
    Most of wars was caused because of religions, Sarah Paling says she believes in god and all of that, and she wants to go to war with Russia. Religious books has been used as an excuse to go to war.
  • JustCal... Masatone 2011/02/26 22:22:14
    JustCallMeBub
    Did you know Obama is sending troops to Lybia?? The anti war President"""
    My Son inlaw is in the Army and they are talking of deporting some of his buddies to Lybia maybe even him,, but they will be held back so the enmy can blow them away
  • Masatone JustCal... 2011/02/26 22:24:41
    Masatone
    +1
    I don't like Obama either, if their ever be another president i rather have one against the war not for the war.
  • JustCal... Masatone 2011/02/26 22:40:02
    JustCallMeBub
    +1
    Keep searching because they don't exist they are all liars.. Bush get's all the blame but the Constitution states"" No President can take us to war with out Congresses approval... At any time America has gone to war it had to go through Congress first
    The Democrats can call Bush a Liar all they want but they were the ones that said lets go to war
  • Masatone JustCal... 2011/02/26 22:44:44
    Masatone
    +1
    I know they don't exist, and you are dead on about that.
  • JustCal... Masatone 2011/02/26 22:50:27
    JustCallMeBub
    +1
    Well Thanks for the compliment their Masa : ) I'm right for a change LOL
  • kobidob... JustCal... 2011/02/28 21:33:22
    kobidobidog
    +1
    What? I will have a few choice words for Obama I can tell you that!
  • JustCal... kobidob... 2011/02/28 21:37:51
    JustCallMeBub
    How do you like my little friends : )
  • tewaz1 Masatone 2011/02/26 22:24:35
    tewaz1
    +2
    I think you hit on the core of the subject in your last statement. The Bible has, indeed, been used often as an excuse to go to war, or to oppress the "other."
    However, I would say this is an expression of the ugliness in the hearts of some humans, rather than the religion itself. Religion, unfortunately, is a very effective means of controlling entire societies, just as political dogma is.
    Democracy itself does not create a consumptive society, but many will manipulate such a system to their own gain, communism does not inherently require totalitarian regimes, yet very bad people have manipulated the systems utilized in communism to usurp the power of self determination. Capitalism does not necessitate greed, but greedy people will use this system to differentially distribute resources for their own gain. The Bible can be used to create an "us versus them" mentality that results in wars and brings power to those who claim to speak for God, but it does not have to, nor is it always so. The Qur'an can be used to justify horrible human rights infringements, especially for women and the non-religious, but there are many who take the positive from the text while rejecting the negative.
    In the end, it all comes down to what people choose to do with their world view. In isolation, the...
    I think you hit on the core of the subject in your last statement. The Bible has, indeed, been used often as an excuse to go to war, or to oppress the "other."
    However, I would say this is an expression of the ugliness in the hearts of some humans, rather than the religion itself. Religion, unfortunately, is a very effective means of controlling entire societies, just as political dogma is.
    Democracy itself does not create a consumptive society, but many will manipulate such a system to their own gain, communism does not inherently require totalitarian regimes, yet very bad people have manipulated the systems utilized in communism to usurp the power of self determination. Capitalism does not necessitate greed, but greedy people will use this system to differentially distribute resources for their own gain. The Bible can be used to create an "us versus them" mentality that results in wars and brings power to those who claim to speak for God, but it does not have to, nor is it always so. The Qur'an can be used to justify horrible human rights infringements, especially for women and the non-religious, but there are many who take the positive from the text while rejecting the negative.
    In the end, it all comes down to what people choose to do with their world view. In isolation, these world views are morally neutral. It is what we do with them that makes them good or bad.
    It is important that we judge each individual by the content of their own character, rather than a perceived category.
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