This is what we have in store - now add in the private federal army (for our security) "with the same resources as the military" that he wants to start; I see one of the worst eras of history repeated.
I will join the revolution.
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Chilling: Government Computers Used to Go After Private Citizen Who Questioned Candidate; Just a Clue of What an Obama Admin Will Look Like. OMG, What ARE People Thinking???
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Cross posted from: CorrenteWire.com and The Columbus Dispatch
Chilling: Government Computers Used to Go After A Private Citizen who Questioned A Presidential Candidate
Truth Partisan - Sat, 2008-10-25
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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow - The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.
The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.
Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.
Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.
Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.
The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.
"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.
Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.
Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.
On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.
Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.
The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.
The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.
Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today." //
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Truth Partisan: Charges of desperation? The info is coming from the state government. Obama allies, including most of the MSM, have researched, released and published all kinds of private information about Joe the Plumber.
Both Obama and Biden have spoken about Joe the Plumber since Obama bungled the answer to Joe’s question, Biden in particular casting doubt on Joe’s ability to earn $250,000 as a plumber.
Have some Obama allies learned the privacy invasion lessons of some of the Bush Administration and its allies too well?
Whether we agree with the politics of the questioner or not, we need to support the ability and the right of all kinds of private citizens to question public officials and candidates for these offices. It used to be a point of honor amongst some liberals—and some conservatives—to make sure that those with whom they disagreed were heard. Whether the new Administration agrees with our views, or not, we need to preserve the rights of all citizens to question the powerful people who represent us—without risking their own personal and public destruction.
http://www.correntewire.com/chilling_government_computers_use...
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/...
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Cross posted from: CorrenteWire.com and The Columbus Dispatch
Chilling: Government Computers Used to Go After A Private Citizen who Questioned A Presidential Candidate
Truth Partisan - Sat, 2008-10-25
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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow - The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.
The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.
Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.
Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.
Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.
The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.
"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.
Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.
Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.
On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.
Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.
The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.
The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.
Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today." //
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Truth Partisan: Charges of desperation? The info is coming from the state government. Obama allies, including most of the MSM, have researched, released and published all kinds of private information about Joe the Plumber.
Both Obama and Biden have spoken about Joe the Plumber since Obama bungled the answer to Joe’s question, Biden in particular casting doubt on Joe’s ability to earn $250,000 as a plumber.
Have some Obama allies learned the privacy invasion lessons of some of the Bush Administration and its allies too well?
Whether we agree with the politics of the questioner or not, we need to support the ability and the right of all kinds of private citizens to question public officials and candidates for these offices. It used to be a point of honor amongst some liberals—and some conservatives—to make sure that those with whom they disagreed were heard. Whether the new Administration agrees with our views, or not, we need to preserve the rights of all citizens to question the powerful people who represent us—without risking their own personal and public destruction.
http://www.correntewire.com/chilling_government_computers_use...
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/...
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They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
I hate to think about what will happen if Obama becomes President.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
October 25th, 2008 9:57 PM Eastern
YOU DECIDE: Biden Interviewer Fair or Over the Line?
Joe Biden fielded some pointed questions recently in a five-minute satellite interview with Barbara West of WFTV, a Florida TV station.
West asked whether Barack Obama’s connection to ACORN was a concern, whether his “spread the wealth” quote was Marxist and whether Biden’s comments about a “generated crisis” suggested America had lost its standing in the world.
View the interview on youtube. It’s been removed from the WFTV website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The Obama-Biden campaign later told the station it was cutting off access because of the questioning. Did the campaign overreact? Were the interviewer’s questions fair?
Obama wants to be in CONTROL of every move and every person.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
wake up this one example of whats coming when the dems. have total power over executive/legislative and soon to be Judicial branches. no check and balance
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
The Dixie chicks said they felt ashamed of Bush but they were public people, and the media did what it did to them. The Plame case was political and once again the media ran with it as fast and as far as they could. Do you see any commonality in these cases....I sure do. The MSM did a hatchet job in all these cases. They tore into the "fresh meat" as if they were starved. Does the media have any responsibility to show common sense or any intelligent discrimination in what they report on and how they handle stories? Is there an underlying factor of putting the good of their own country ahead of sensationalizing every scrap they get? Do they feel any patriotism or responsibility to protect agents under cover? Do they feel any gratitude for their own freedoms? Do they have any respect for the rule of law or the people of this land? Or do they have some mentality of "who gives a crap who or what is ruined" just to get a byline? I wonder if ...
The Dixie chicks said they felt ashamed of Bush but they were public people, and the media did what it did to them. The Plame case was political and once again the media ran with it as fast and as far as they could. Do you see any commonality in these cases....I sure do. The MSM did a hatchet job in all these cases. They tore into the "fresh meat" as if they were starved. Does the media have any responsibility to show common sense or any intelligent discrimination in what they report on and how they handle stories? Is there an underlying factor of putting the good of their own country ahead of sensationalizing every scrap they get? Do they feel any patriotism or responsibility to protect agents under cover? Do they feel any gratitude for their own freedoms? Do they have any respect for the rule of law or the people of this land? Or do they have some mentality of "who gives a crap who or what is ruined" just to get a byline? I wonder if they even think about the fact that in any other country they would not be allowed the freedom they abuse in this country. In the Plame case the media was used because Bush et al understood that media people hold no respect for life or country that would hold them back from endangering an agent. They saw that MSM reporters do not even care about their own freedom enough to ever question why someone would reveal that kind of info. They have no common sense about when or what to reveal. It is very alarming that if given the chance they might reveal state secrets that would topple our government and cause the deaths of many innocent people. Take as an example the stupidity Geraldo displayed during the Iraq invasion when he drew in the dirt information of his units location in such detail he could have caused his own death by counter attack. They seem to be brilliantly stupid, or stupidly ignorant and it makes me wonder sometimes exactly who's side they are on.
Barack knows what is best for all of us. He's just awesomely awsome and audacious!
Thinking? That would require draining the hopey-changey mantra from their saturated brains.
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We are a relatively young country and unique in that we were founded on and for the establishment and preservation of democratic rights; that, where there would be government, citizens would play a very strong role in exactly *what* that government was. Now many seem to have forgotten that and want to hand those rights off to the government as if any group of people, with their own agendas, know better that any citizen what is best for us.
I agree with much you said in a comment on one of my blogs in reference to... "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, [laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.]" In a perfect world we would be able to rise up and sweep clean, not the government, but the people that have tried to harness it for their own ends.
Don't get me wrong... I abhor the rights being covertly and overtly stripped from Americans; I abhor the way the r...
We are a relatively young country and unique in that we were founded on and for the establishment and preservation of democratic rights; that, where there would be government, citizens would play a very strong role in exactly *what* that government was. Now many seem to have forgotten that and want to hand those rights off to the government as if any group of people, with their own agendas, know better that any citizen what is best for us.
I agree with much you said in a comment on one of my blogs in reference to... "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, [laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.]" In a perfect world we would be able to rise up and sweep clean, not the government, but the people that have tried to harness it for their own ends.
Don't get me wrong... I abhor the rights being covertly and overtly stripped from Americans; I abhor the way the reins have been taken from 'we the people' and are now firmly held by elected officials of both parties. And I do not believe it is something that has been limited to the last administration but rather something that goes back a lot further.
Having said that I have to acknowledge that, at this time, we have few choices. With all my heart, and love for this country, I do not believe becoming a collectivist society is the answer. It may sound all 'new world' and kumbaya to imagine a brighter world where we can all hold hands and help one another by sacrificing. But we would simply be sacrificing MORE rights and freedoms and giving more power to a government that cares for nothing more than gaining more power and silencing dissent. That is exactly what that kind of society would mean.
I am not a hard core fan of John McCain... I disagree with him on some issues important to me... but in looking at the bigger picture of what America fundamentally IS I see him as the only currently available genuine solution -because he falls more in line with what is intrinsically and historically American... less government, reduced spending, controlled taxation- and I have to be honest enough to admit that while he may not be *the* solution he is at least standing in the center. It's not a matter of voting against Obama but rather the choice of voting what I think is 'in defense' of historic America.
We can look at history, recent and ancient, at societies that have failed... and collectivist societies fail every time and fail dramatically. As I said, America was and is an experiment in Democracy and to end that in some rash hope for change is, in my opinion, a big mistake.
[morning rant over... time for breakfast!]
Thinking? That would require draining the hopey-changey mantra from their saturated brains.
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So? The rights of private citizens must give way to the needs of the collective community. 'Private citizen' is an archaic concept.
Thinking? That would require draining the hopey-changey mantra from their saturated brains.
Thinking? That would require draining the hopey-changey mantra from their saturated brains.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
They're not thinking. Misleading rhetoric and empty promises of 'free money' drowns out the reality, the truth, about socialism.
I will join the revolution.