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Chick-Fil-A Says It Plans to Stop Giving Donations to Anti-Gay Groups: Beautiful or Being Bullied?

AdriHead 2012/09/20 19:00:00
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Chick-Fil-A dealt with a storm of bad press a short while ago because of a statement by Dan Cathy, the president of the fast-food chain, saying he was "guilty as charged" when asked about his opposition to gay marriage. His comments, along with Chick-Fil-A's monetary donations to anti-gay organizations, led to a media frenzy.

But times have changed. Now, a Chick-Fil-A executive has confirmed that the chicken-loving, fast-food chain will stop donating to such anti-gay groups like Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council, according to The Civil Rights Agenda. Do you think this news is a great step for the fast-food company? Or do you feel that Chick-Fil-A was bullied into making this decision?

NYDAILYNEWS.COM reports:
Chick-Fil-A had plenty of support for its anti-gay-marriage stance, but in the end, the restaurant chain chickened out.
nydailynews reports chick-fil-a plenty support anti-gay-marriage stance restaurant chain chickened

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  • Chris- ... Anarimus 2012/09/21 15:41:10
  • Anarimus Chris- ... 2012/09/22 18:23:13
    Anarimus
    +1
    Thank you Chris.
  • Wild Thing Anarimus 2012/09/21 15:56:34
    Wild Thing
    +1
    Wait, you know nothing about Chick-fil-a yet you say these words as if you are an expert on them. Yep, you are definitely a member of the run-mouth and ask questions later club.
  • Anarimus Wild Thing 2012/09/22 18:22:53
    Anarimus
    +1
    I have been actively boycotting Chick-Fil-A for a decade as a libertine atheist heterosexual who has gay friends and family members and wants them to have the exact same legal protections as anyone else. You make a judgement call on me Wild Thing yet you are not an expert on me. I have as i do with everything i make a stand for actively research the subject before making a stand. I am passionate about equality because without equality there is no liberty.
  • Chris- ... Anarimus 2012/09/22 18:40:21
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    I haven't eaten at Chick-fil-A in many years for all the reasons you wrote in you reply. I raved you because your reply was 100% accurate. People need to do a little reading before blindly assuming this is all about Dan Cathy's freedom of speech or religion. No one is arguing he doesn't have the right to either.
  • T A Chris- ... 2012/09/22 20:51:01
    T A
    +1
    Even if that were all it was, one could certainly argue that one needn't deliver profit into the hands of ones opposition to be used against him.

    Reading through the thread, I cringe at seeing how many have conflated peaceful protest with compulsion simply because their opinion matches the capitulating side. Such redefinitions would not be applied to their own use of such tactics I am sure.
  • Chris- ... T A 2012/09/22 21:30:08
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    Well said. Every post on this topic, and there have been many, I tried to make that point. Unfortunately is seems the majority of people either didn't understand or chose not to.
  • T A Chris- ... 2012/09/23 23:39:32
    T A
    This article linked below might help explain their responses It's quite interesting. It may be that they cannot help it short of breeding it out of humanity...which according to the data in the article would make that highly unlikely. :o(

    Partisanship, Voting, and the Dopamine D2 Receptor Gene
    Christopher T. Dawes University of California
    James H. Fowler University of California

    http://jhfowler.ucsd.edu/part...
  • Chris- ... Wild Thing 2012/09/22 18:36:37
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    Everything Anarimus posted is factual and very easy to check. Perhaps you should do some reading. Otherwise it makes you look like the president of that club.
  • Lester 2012/09/21 15:17:16
    Beautiful
    Lester
    +1
    When will people learn that businesses make business decisions for business reasons. It was obvious from the start that this controversy (like almost all controversy) would cost profits over the long haul. It isn't at all surprising that the company is now trying to put as much distance between itself and the issue as possible.
  • Wild Thing Lester 2012/09/21 15:58:09
    Wild Thing
    Um, that is why when people turned out in support of them they had record breaking sales that I am sure contributed to their losing money over the long haul (not) Do you realize how silly you sound? Probably not.
  • Lester Wild Thing 2012/09/21 18:51:15
    Lester
    So what's your explanation for their behavior? It's pretty easy to belittle reasonable explanations if you don't bother to offer anything rational yourself.
  • T A Wild Thing 2012/09/22 20:43:14
    T A
    Probably because those people created a spike in profits, not in overall profitability. Maybe if they had decided to eat there regularly instead of one day it would have made an effective difference.
  • lavrik 2012/09/21 15:17:09
    Being Bullied
    lavrik
    +2
    I don't see masses of conservatives outraged that Home Depot and McDonalds give to pro-LGBT organizations... Where's the tolerance now, my liberal friends? Chick-fil-a definitely got bullied by intolerant haters.
  • TXGirl lavrik 2012/09/21 15:39:32
    TXGirl
    Well it appears you haven't been paying attention. "One Million" Moms has done plenty of bullying against J. C. Penney and others - they are conservative haters. They and other conservative groups have had plenty to say and protest about over all companies that give to pro-LGBT organizations and it also happens at the local level. Besides, I don't consider my personal refusal to stop eating at Chik-fil-a "bullying" behavior. I made a personal decision to refuse to support hatred. It is my right to do so. I have seen plenty of conservative attacks to know the difference.
  • jimi lavrik 2012/09/21 15:41:38
    jimi
    +1
    I guess you were hiding under a rock when One Million moms boycotted Macy's for having Ellen Degenerous as a sponsor?
  • Greg 2012/09/21 15:16:42
    Being Bullied
    Greg
    +5
    "Anti-gay"? How's that for biased propaganda? How about "anti-Christian" or "anti-semite" for descriptors of liberal organizations? At least the latter two would be accurate.

    No one is "anti-gay" PERSON. One is only against gay BEHAVIOR. The problem with liberals is that they are unwilling to make the distinction between the person and the CHOICE the person makes.

    This is what leads to liberals calling those who are for legal immigration as "racist" when race has nothing to do with anything. It's why liberals call those who disagree with anything a racial-minority says as "racist" when race has nothing to do with anything.

    Have you ever considered that Gay Organizations are anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-Truth, anti-child? You should.
  • Sir_Smo... Greg 2012/09/21 15:30:52
    Sir_Smoksaloth
    +1
    The problem with your statement is that homosexuality is NOT a choice, it's like saying someone chose to be born in (insert any country name) or saying that everyone have chosen their parents prior to birth... If you can't recognize and accept the fact that homosexuality is NOT a choice, you are beyond redemption...
  • gracious43 Sir_Smo... 2012/09/21 15:35:12
    gracious43
    There is no evidence that homosexuality is genetic or biological in origin.
  • Asia Wh... gracious43 2012/09/21 15:44:00 (edited)
    Asia Whitmore
    +1
    There is also no evidence of a God but as you can see, people believe in that.
  • gracious43 Asia Wh... 2012/09/21 15:49:04
    gracious43
    The evidence of God is in the documentation.
  • Sir_Smo... gracious43 2012/09/21 16:11:05
    Sir_Smoksaloth
    lolol That old circular logic... God wrote the book - proof? Read the book it says do! ludicrous...

    There is no god, and that's the simple truth, If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again...
  • gracious43 Sir_Smo... 2012/09/21 16:25:11
    gracious43
    Based on your logic, the documentation I provide at work, can't be used in a court of law, because "I wrote it."

    However, that is not the case at all, dear friend. In fact, my documentation at work is a legal document which can be used for or against either me, or my employers, in a court of law.
  • Sir_Smo... gracious43 2012/09/21 17:40:16
    Sir_Smoksaloth
    You weren't talking about the bible then? You mean you have proven the existence of god with non-equivocal empirical proofs?? I'd really like to see those papers, have you published them yet?
  • gracious43 Sir_Smo... 2012/09/21 17:46:35
    gracious43
    I'm simply stating that a biography of the acts of Jesus of Nazarene and the acts of the apostles are no less legal documentation than the documentation I keep at work. Both of these are able to be examined with the same legal analyses.

    Could I lie on my documentation at work? Yes. Could it be proven that I lied? Yes.
  • Sir_Smo... gracious43 2012/09/21 18:43:29
    Sir_Smoksaloth
    Are you seriously suggesting that the New or Old Testament would hold as legal documentation in a court of law in America?? Seriously???

    And I assume that by "biography of..." you do mean the New Testament right?
  • gracious43 Sir_Smo... 2012/09/22 04:47:25
    gracious43
    I'm seriously suggesting that your argument that the bible can't be believed simply because it is the bible, is seriously flawed. The gospel accounts of Jesus of Nazareth are either historically accurate and reliable or they are not. They can be examined like any other historical document for reliability and historical accuracy. Circular argument has nothing to do with it.
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/22 18:56:23
    Anarimus
    You need an outside source to validate the Bible written during the time the Bible was written that offers similar accounts. In example i provide the Ten Plagues. Nowhere in all of the recordings made by the Egyptians do we find a reference to such an event or in any other document therefore there is no proof to validate the story.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/22 19:27:38
    gracious43
    We are not discussing the ten plagues. We are discussing the documentation of God. In fact, we do know, via nonChristian historians that Christ existed, lived in Judea, claimed to be God, and was resurrected. We also know that immediately after His resurrection, that the Christian religion spread like wild-fire, beginning in Judea, among eyewitnesses of the accounts in the four gospels.

    Now when we are discussing eyewitnesses, we are indisputably using the language of legal and historical documentation.

    We also know that the gospels of John and Matthew were written to the contemporaries of these times. That is essential, because both of these men were eyewitnesses of the life of Jesus of Nazareth. It is also essential, because if they would have lied, other eyewitnesses would have flatly rejected their writings. In fact not one single document exists from the first century which rejects the resurrection.
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/25 03:58:02
    Anarimus
    Because there is not a single credible document written at the time of this claimed resurrection that mentions the resurrection. During the resurrection story graves all across Jerusalem were opened and people came back to life. You think the Romans who like the Egyptians kept meticulous records would have mentioned a few hundred zombies walking about. Eyewitness testimony is not empirical therefore it is not evidence. The only documentation of the Resurrection is the Bible which was written well over 100 years after the events.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/25 06:15:09
    gracious43
    In fact, the book of Matthew was written before 70 CE. We know this because it was quoted from by Gamaliel in the Talmud, and we know that he died around 70 CE. Actually Wikipedia claims that Gamaliel died 20 years before the destruction of Jerusalem which would have made it 50 CE. If Gamaliel extracted passages from Matthew, then Matthew had to have been written long before the end of the first century. Matthew is dated, in fact at around 49 CE

    We also have a P52, a copy of the gospel of John, found in Alexandria and dated 117-138 The original by default would have fallen within the contempory times of the apostles--certainly not 100 years after the events.

    We also know that John was written before 70 CE because he speaks in present tense of the pool of near the Sheep Gate. The pool was destroyed during the destruction of Jerusalem, and not discovered until the 19th century, by archeologists.

    We also have epistles of the church fathers dated in the first half of the second century, in which they quoted from the texts of the apostles.. Since they were able to quote from these documents, then the documents were obviously written well before the end of the first century, and certainly well before "100 years later."
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/27 01:27:37
    Anarimus
    Mark is considered to be the oldest book of the "gospels" according to archaeology and it was written 70 years after the depicted events. The other books were taken from it. I could write about a fountain i heard about from historians but that doesn't mean i ever actually saw it. To validate the Bible you have to have other books validate what it says. Here's an example. You would have to find a Roman report of the eclipse that happened when Jesus died or the dead rising.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/27 05:01:35
    gracious43
    The date range of the writing of Mark is estimated to be between 65-80 CE, and there is no indication that the other gospels were taken from it. That is liberal scholars revisionist history.

    And actually there was an historical account of the eclipse of the sun from Roman times. Julius Africanus recounted the record of Thallus, who recorded the earthquake (@52 CE)

    Wikipedia
    Thallus (historian)
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    Thallus (Greek: Θαλλός), was an early historian who wrote in Koine Greek. Some scholars believe that his work can be interpreted as the earliest reference to the historical Jesus, and argue that it was written about 20 years after the Crucifixion. He wrote a three-volume history of the Mediterranean world from before the Trojan War to the 167th Olympiad, c. 112-109 BC. Most of his work, like the vast majority of ancient literature, perished, but not before parts of his writings were repeated by Sextus Julius Africanus in his History of the World.[2][3][4]


    "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the 263 third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of...
    The date range of the writing of Mark is estimated to be between 65-80 CE, and there is no indication that the other gospels were taken from it. That is liberal scholars revisionist history.

    And actually there was an historical account of the eclipse of the sun from Roman times. Julius Africanus recounted the record of Thallus, who recorded the earthquake (@52 CE)

    Wikipedia
    Thallus (historian)
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Jump to: navigation, search

    Thallus (Greek: Θαλλός), was an early historian who wrote in Koine Greek. Some scholars believe that his work can be interpreted as the earliest reference to the historical Jesus, and argue that it was written about 20 years after the Crucifixion. He wrote a three-volume history of the Mediterranean world from before the Trojan War to the 167th Olympiad, c. 112-109 BC. Most of his work, like the vast majority of ancient literature, perished, but not before parts of his writings were repeated by Sextus Julius Africanus in his History of the World.[2][3][4]


    "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the 263 third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior fails on the day before the passover [see Phlegon]; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?" - Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1
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  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/29 02:58:11
    Anarimus
    Julius Africanus was one of the first apologetics. He was taking a comment from the historian Thallus and overstating it. Thallus attributed the eclipse to natural causes however all were writing about it a few decades after it was said to have happened.The eclipse is not the only thing said to have happened as there was said to be an Earthquake and the dead rising from their graves. One could take a natural event and ascribe supernatural events to it and embellish a few more however that leaves one with the problem of proving all of them.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/29 05:27:24
    gracious43
    Thallus mentioned the earthquake:

    "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the 263 third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior fails on the day before the passover [see Phlegon]; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?" - Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1
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    And Thallus tried to ascribe a natural cause for it, which Africanus noted didn't make sense, scientifically. Reread the passage.

    In addition as I noted, the resurrection itself was recorded by eyewitnesses within their lifetime. It was read and accepted by eyewitnesses, within their lifetime.
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/22 18:52:55
    Anarimus
    That's not evidence.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/22 19:28:18
    gracious43
    What isn't evidence? I don't know what you are referring to.
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/25 03:58:29
    Anarimus
    The Bible is not evidence.
  • gracious43 Anarimus 2012/09/25 06:15:52
    gracious43
    The biblical texts are historical documentation, that can be examined for validity.
  • Anarimus gracious43 2012/09/27 01:20:09
    Anarimus
    So was Jesus born before the census of Quinorus or after? Before or after the death of Herod? It cannot be both ask the Romans. Were all animals created fully formed as stated in Genesis? The evidence proves otherwise. Could animals with very specified diets who are found only in the New World live in or even get to the ark? did Judas hang himself or throw himself from a cliff? Did David kill Goliath or was it Elahanan? Was Nebuchadnezzar victorious against Amasis II as Ezekiel predicted or even moreso why is Ezekiel considered still a true prophet when he admitted to having a failed prophecy of the fall of Tyre? The problem with being a book that claims to be the infallible word of God the Bible fails quite a bit.

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