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Even Conservatives Think Republicans Are Sabotaging the Economy to Hurt Obama
Alexander Abad-Santos

Asked, "Do you think the Republicans are intentionally stalling efforts
to jumpstart the economy to insure [sic] that Barack Obama is not
re-elected?" a poll found that 34 percent of Florida conservatives said
yes. Conspiracy, political posturing, savvy strategy-- call it what you
want, but the Suffolk University poll gives evidence that the theory is not just a partisan position. As Peter Scorsch, from SaintPetersBlog points out, it's the Republican answers that surprised:

...49 percent said they believe that the Republicans are
intentionally hindering efforts to boost the economy so that President
Barack Obama will not be reelected. Thirty-nine percent disagreed. As
expected, most registered Democrats (70 percent) agreed that Republicans
are intentionally hindering the economy and hurting Obama, but
independents (52 percent) and even some Republicans (24 percent) also
agreed.
Kevin Drum from Mother Jones expands on the point:

What's interesting isn't just that half of all voters think the answer
is yes, it's the breakdown: a quarter of all Republicans and a third of
all conservatives also think the answer is yes. In other words, this
isn't just a liberal conspiracy theory. Even a lot of conservatives
recognize what's going on. I wouldn't make too much of a single state
poll, but those numbers are high enough that they might represent a
glimmering recognition of something that's only been Beltway chatter up
to now.

Drum's figures on conservative answers were gleaned from the poll's breakdown
of the numbers. But it's also worth nothing that there weren't any
followup questions if (perceived) Republican subterfuge would sway a
vote. You know, questions like "Is this going to change your vote?" or
"Doesn't that just make you really depressed and mad that they'd harm
American jobs just for political gain?" or "Is this a brilliant
strategy?"
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  • TrudyGirl 2012/05/07 00:19:58
    There maybe some truth to Conservatives intentionally trying to tank the economy
    TrudyGirl
    +1
    They think it is fine to sabotage; anything they have to do to win..actually it is not even that ..they just want to get a GOOD man out of office. It is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. They don't seem to realize that they will go down with the country if they destroy the "little people" I just want to know who the f they think keeps the country goes because it is sure as h.... is not them. Who builds their houses and repairs their cars and the infrastructure of this country? Who waits on them in restaurants? Who cleans their homes and nannies their children. So go ahead you egotistical idiots..stay with your game and go down with the ship. I won't throw you a life line when it happens. Then we will empathize with you as much as you did with us. The PEASANTS will rise.
  • Iamfree 2012/05/04 20:46:43
    No the Conservative are not trying to sabotage the economy
    Iamfree
    I read the actual survey results, and I don't find the breakdown of what percent of party members think Conservatives are trying to sink the economy.
  • Rosie 2012/05/04 15:08:39
    There maybe some truth to Conservatives intentionally trying to tank the economy
    Rosie
    What do they care? They got elected and are making the big bucks. They don't care about the middle or lower classes. We are the dirt they step on and will continue stepping on. It doesn't matter which political group they belong to!
  • Spizzzo... Rosie 2012/05/05 10:34:21
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    Huh? Democrats seek to help the middle class and poor, since those are their constituencies, and you somehow think Democrats oppress the middle class and poor? You need to explain yourself.
  • caius madison 2012/05/04 07:12:40
    No the Conservative are not trying to sabotage the economy
    caius madison
    Omg, even liberals have of shore accounts. For some reason, people on care if a Republican has one. Also, it isn't illeval to do that, it is a practice that the extremely wealthy do to ensure they are rich. Course, I o.ly speculate they aren't because not only was there zero facts in this article, just a general question a d a concensus that the betrayed liberals wanted desperately that change Obama kept promising to be anything but a lie. These people didn' t make more offahore accounts tp sabotage the president, they just didn't cease them, as it is not illegal and keeps em' wealthy. I gotta say, I like conspiracy theories, but there has to be substance to make a mystery really pop in an article.
  • sjalan 2012/05/04 06:11:58
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    sjalan
    +2
    And by doing so they are hurting millions of US Citizens and putting the US further in the hole trying to blame it on President Obama when in fact it is the Republican party's fault.
  • A Lionheart 2012/05/04 04:20:47
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    A Lionheart
    +1
    Derp a der... Isn't it obvious?
  • Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl 2012/05/04 03:59:57
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl
    +2
    Most have vested interest in big oil. and companies in China. the economy if improved would hurt their finances
  • Posha King 2012/05/04 02:50:11
    There maybe some truth to Conservatives intentionally trying to tank the economy
    Posha King
    +2
    As a small business owner and member of NFIB and other business organizations, I see first hand the massive efforts here in oklahoma to defy the presidents plans to weaken us and bring is to the brink of destruction. We plan, support, and work together to bring our businesses back to where they were before him. We are serious about him not being re-elected. We're just doing it from a position of strength instead of stupidly weakening ourselves out of spite and then trying to beat him. I don't know how other states are doing it, but that's how Oklahoma is doing it and we've got some of the lowest unemployment in the country right now. Just my two cents.
  • Spizzzo... Posha King 2012/05/05 10:36:22
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    I'm glad I don't work for you, since you clearly hate your employees and their rights.
  • Posha King Spizzzo... 2012/05/25 19:09:34
    Posha King
    I'm glad you don't work for me since you clearly assume things that aren't true, supported or even possible. What gives you ANY idea we aren't absolutely committed to giving our employees the best possible conditions, benefits, and support available to us every day?
  • Spizzzo... Posha King 2012/07/02 05:53:13
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    You are deliberately conspiring with businessowners in your area to harm businesses there to spite Mr. Obama, which necessarily means you are harming your own employees at least indirectly just to satisfy your political ends.
  • Posha King Spizzzo... 2012/07/02 14:10:11
    Posha King
    How are we hurting our employees? I will concede that I may not see this situation from your perspective. However, I haven't seen yet where you can be specific about HOW we are damaging our employees' futures. Help me out.
  • Spizzzo... Posha King 2012/07/08 03:46:56
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    I should back off a little to say that from what you said it appears you, yourself have a good attitude and are not mistreating your employees or limiting their success; but my issue was with you allying yourself with employers and organizations who (probably) do. So, I misspoke in my first remark regarding you personally. Still, as I see it, folks like you are in a tough position regarding all of this, since a nearly sure-fire way to make sure Mr. Obama loses is for the economy to not show signs of recovery pre-election; so it's gotta be hard to not let that affect business decisions at some level for at least some owners.

    I do tend to think that you and similar business owners tend to be a bit oversensitive and "whiny" about how Mr. Obama has seriously set out to ruin you. That makes no sense to me. Do you have examples?
  • Posha King Spizzzo... 2012/07/09 14:34:41
    Posha King
    His policies have been catastrophic to our future prospects, but I'll address that at the bottom.

    First, I feel you misunderstood my original message now that I have re-read the conversation. Please understand that the businesses I associate with are trying to STRENGTHEN our local businesses by working TOGETHER. We recommend each other, share leads for opportunities and so on. We share the business there already is and help each other know where to look for new contacts if we get the chance. THIS is the position of strength of which I spoke. When we are SUCCESSFUL, only then can we stand against the policies that would hurt our companies. We are not stupid enough to think that by tanking the economy and showing his ineptitude that this will help us in ANY way. We believe in showing how we can flourish WITHOUT government help or interference. We need to be strong DESPITE him to be able to show their direct effects once his policies become effective. This is how you save your community and work to undo destructive policies. You don't tank the one way you have of staying in business and basically cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Obamacare will put us out of business. That's a fact. We can't meet the requirements. Period.

    The restrictions he has put on businesses in more broa...









    His policies have been catastrophic to our future prospects, but I'll address that at the bottom.

    First, I feel you misunderstood my original message now that I have re-read the conversation. Please understand that the businesses I associate with are trying to STRENGTHEN our local businesses by working TOGETHER. We recommend each other, share leads for opportunities and so on. We share the business there already is and help each other know where to look for new contacts if we get the chance. THIS is the position of strength of which I spoke. When we are SUCCESSFUL, only then can we stand against the policies that would hurt our companies. We are not stupid enough to think that by tanking the economy and showing his ineptitude that this will help us in ANY way. We believe in showing how we can flourish WITHOUT government help or interference. We need to be strong DESPITE him to be able to show their direct effects once his policies become effective. This is how you save your community and work to undo destructive policies. You don't tank the one way you have of staying in business and basically cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Obamacare will put us out of business. That's a fact. We can't meet the requirements. Period.

    The restrictions he has put on businesses in more broad strokes are already hampering us. We have more regulation and less profit. But even bigger than this is that the companies we SERVE have had to cut back to be in compliance. Plus, the cost of fuel has cut into profit as well as increased the cost of the goods we buy. Our freight bills have gone up and we've had to raise prices. This leads to lower buying by our customer base.

    His interference with the Keystone Pipeline has hurt us so bad we're struggling to keep our heads above water right now. As companies cut back their business, they cut back their buying and so it all rolls...

    I understand that not every policy was put into effect by Obama. I'm plenty pissed at Bush and Clinton, too. But he had the opportunity to do something to ease things here and at EVERY turn, he pandered to votes from illegals, environmentalists and every other lobby instead of protecting the people who elected him. He didn't take any of a multitude of opportunities to boost the economy, get out of the way so we can create jobs and grow our companies, or allow the states their rights to protect themselves, enforce their laws and even HELP the federal government to secure our borders. Instead he's been campaigning.

    I may not be your cup of tea, but I only know that I LIVE the talking points others memorize.

    I've seen the rise in illegals in our local work force while there are fewer and fewer jobs for actual citizens. I wouldn't care if they all became citizens. My grandfather was an immigrant as well as all of my great grandparents. I just ask that they go through the process and do it legally as well as PAY THEIR TAXES!! Instead of mooching from the system, become part of the tax base and help everyone pay less.

    Because we are a small company, I do our books, monitor our taxes, buy, hire and manage our benefits program. Currently, we don't offer many benefits because we aren't big enough to get any rates worth paying. Our employees can't afford high premiums, either. Now, here is what happens to my choices. We had a plan in place to get to where we might be able to offer some small policy to help with big stuff. Obamacare puts more costs and regulations on us so now that plan has to be scrapped. It will take away our ability to provide PRIVATE insurance for our employees, PLUS force my current workers to go onto the PUBLIC rolls. This is bad. If left to our own devices, we could have put more money back into the economy eventually (by buying insurance), but this plan forces us to take from it instead (by joining public rolls) just to be in compliance with this new set of federal regulations. Doesn't anyone see how this is the crux of the problem??
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  • Spizzzo... Posha King 2012/07/18 11:52:23
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    You seemed like a knowledgeable and reasonable guy for a long time. I even felt a bit sorry for being too harsh with you. Then you go and spout the utter nonsense conspiracy crap of "he pandered to votes from illegals", so I take it all back: you are an utter nonsense-spouting unreasoning hater and conspiracist who chooses to believe hateful lies for some reason. I was probably right about you in the first place, and DO pity your employees. You have PROVEN yourself beyond a reasonable doubt to be nutty.
  • Posha King Spizzzo... 2012/07/26 17:14:37
    Posha King
    Wow, you sure got nasty and personal when you disagreed with the facts. You don't consider the steps he has taken to ILLEGALLY guarantee illegals rights they aren't entitled to pandering? He couldn't get congress to make the laws he wanted, so he went around them and issued an EXECUTIVE ORDER. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well educated and opinionated. I don't stoop to personal insults. EVER. I stick to facts and observations. You have neither on this issue. You can think anything you like about me. I will sleep perfectly sound knowing our employees are exceptionally well protected, well paid and well treated by me and my company. I will not lose a moment's rest because of your personal attacks and naivete. Watching his actions and forming opinions based on those actions is ANYTHING BUT nutty. It's common sense. Carry on.
  • Spizzzo... Posha King 2012/10/05 11:24:27
    Spizzzo BN-0
    Damn straight I confront liars like you! I'm PROUD of it!! I enjoy facts, you enjoy anti-factual fantasy. That means you are crazy. For example, there is NO evidence of the illegals voting you say happens ALL THE TIME. So, you are crazy. Did you notice how you had NO evidence of this? I did.

    You Right-wingers are SO annoying for how you ignore facts and believe falsehoods, you know. You somehow think that you can lie all you want and we won't notice. WRONG!!!

    If you somehow actually fantasize you have "facts" supporting your crazy views, then why don't you offer any proof? Could it be because you have NONE?

    It scares me that idiots like you have the vote.
  • Gary 2012/05/04 02:04:51
    No the Conservative are not trying to sabotage the economy
    Gary
    +2
    In order to believe that conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy you would have to first believe 0bama is trying to fix it and there is no evidence to support that theory.
  • Spizzzo... Gary 2012/05/05 10:37:18
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    Yes, in case you doubted it, you ARE insane in your political thinking!
  • Gary Spizzzo... 2012/05/05 20:41:38
    Gary
    Please supply some FACTUAL information that proves 0bama has done anything to fix the economy. Increasing the debt and the amount of people on foodstamps doesn't count.
  • Spizzzo... Gary 2012/07/02 05:58:58
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    This is hopeless since you are what you are, but OK:

    1. Detroit bailout
    2. Stimulus.
    3. Cutting back on spending.
    4. Lilly Ledbetter law (helping women workers helps all workers and therefore all businesses).
    5. Obamacare, which will relieve businesses that can't afford it of the burden of providing health insurance to employees, thus increasing competitiveness.

    To mention a few.

    Conversely, how about you PROVE he's "trying to sabotage" the economy. Perhaps you could start by explaining how ANY President would want to do such a crazy thing.
  • Max7 2012/05/04 01:47:00
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    Max7
    +3
    This is nothing new, they set this movement into action before his hand came down from being sworn in as the 44th President of the United States.
  • nverumind 2012/05/04 01:46:31
    There maybe some truth to Conservatives intentionally trying to tank the economy
    nverumind
    +2
    But why is this suprising ... i guess i didnt realise this was a new development or idea.
    The gov. not just the Repubs, but the Dems too are both equally corrupt, in that they both are self serving, money mongers. Political and Personal gain has been their game for a Long Time now, Question is , Are we going to let it continue?? and if not What are our options?
  • caius m... nverumind 2012/05/04 07:21:27
    caius madison
    +1
    The people stand up and demand a third party, one that doesn't follow either side to a fault. One that you can not be privaledged into. Call it the body, or the people's party, so we don' have two arms floating around aimlessly defiling and pilfering our every grace in this country. There must be a grey area...... always should've been. And assemble a task force fpr polititions that operate similar to marshall law, and have their only task to investigate corruption at the highest tiers of government. We gotta demand it. Where is the Governmental Police Agency
  • Spizzzo... nverumind 2012/05/05 10:40:55
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    Don't let the corrupt, money grubbing, hate-America Republican-types fool you into thinking Democrats are just as bad as they are. They aren't. I'm not a Democrat, BTW, just a Liberal--but the Republican effort to destroy American Government is pretty obvious. They think destroying government is a Good Thing.
  • nverumind Spizzzo... 2012/05/05 19:03:48
    nverumind
    No, im not letting anyone "fool" me freind, and no the republicans havn't "fooled" me into thinking demos are just as bad, Demos did that all very much by themselves. They are shadows of what they used to stand for and support, They are all "Money grubbing, Hate-America Types" to busy wtih en"forcing" their own political agendas down the pples throats, the two party system serves one Purpose, to distract the american people with conflict over which party is Better and who is more deserving to be in control of our economy, military, and people. thus all the class, sex, and race wars going on, all institgated by governmnet and media. ONE bird , Two Wings, Same Shit!~ Nope im done with both of the parties..America needs to stand on their OWN Two Feet and do the research and Decide for THEMselves, not leave it to corrupt polotician lunacy to decide whats best for us as a whole.
  • Spizzzo... nverumind 2012/07/02 06:03:29
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    It is interesting to me how often that when Right-wingers make crazy and unsupportable accusations about what Democrats want and do (when there is little to no actual evidence for it), the things they are accusing Democrats of are actually fairly common amongst their own kind. I believe the term for it is transference. This seems to be what's going on with you.
  • nverumind Spizzzo... 2012/07/02 15:17:41
    nverumind
    Neither party is without fault or faultS.
    IM not REPUBLICAN
    there is Plenty of evidence to support that both sides are money oriented and for self progress! AND you have NO idea whats going on with me Clearly, so your baseless assumptions can stop now.
  • Spizzzo... nverumind 2012/07/08 03:48:37
  • findthelight2000 2012/05/04 01:06:54
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    findthelight2000
    +1
    Their aim is to crush the Unions, destroy the middle class, and make Americans willing to work as slave laborers again. They will stop at nothing, even becoming Fascists in order to get what they want. The current GOP is a danger to the American dream, American freedom, liberty, and democracy, and the US Constitution.
  • CAROLYN NTARWNJBS 2012/05/04 00:55:07
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    CAROLYN NTARWNJBS
    +3
    I think they've made it clear.
  • EdVenture 2012/05/04 00:51:40
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    EdVenture
    +3
    They have publicly admitted it
  • darlenedoskas1969 2012/05/03 23:25:39
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    darlenedoskas1969
    +4
    I have a hard time understanding why the numbers are so low, to be honest... what they've been doing is so obvious to anyone who is paying the least bit of attention
  • GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT 2012/05/03 21:48:56
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    +3
    Having watched them in action since President Obama's inauguration I agree. I speak as a left-leaning Independent from NY & I have friends from all over the country who are saying the same thing.

    It pained me to have to make the decision to vote a straight Democratic ticket last year because I have ALWAYS voted the person instead of a party line. I have gotten so angry watching them in action that my adult children have looked at me strange when I yell at the TV after hearing their lies & gobbledegook. I view them as traitors as I feel that for them to deliberately do things that everyone knows will cause greater harm is traitorous in my eyes.
  • goinpostal 2012/05/03 21:06:55
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    goinpostal
    +5
    They dont care its about themselves
  • Cat 1017 2012/05/03 16:44:47
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    Cat 1017
    +6
    I have suspected that from the beginning...and they have....
  • John James 2012/05/03 16:32:35
    No the Conservative are not trying to sabotage the economy
    John James
    +2
    The only ones destroying the economy, are obama and the democrats
  • Spizzzo... John James 2012/05/05 10:44:28
    Spizzzo BN-0
    +1
    How's about you offer even a SINGLE lick of proof for your extreme opinion? OK, you are an extremist, but only a lame extremist has no proof for their extremist views.

    To be clear, extremists do not even understand what "proof" is, so they're 'points' can ALWAYS be disproved by actual evidence.
  • ehrhornp 2012/05/03 15:50:02
    Yes I do agree that the Conservatives are trying to sabotage the economy
    ehrhornp
    +8
    Actually it is just the republicans who are trying to sabotage the economy. They cannot be called conservative. Giving tax cuts during a time of war is just not conservative. Running two wars off budget is just not conservative. Today the democrats are the true conservative party. Republicans are nothing more than socialists for the rich.

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