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The Constitution tells us to cooperate with the Census Bureau. The reference in our Constitution to the Census appears in Article 1, Section 2.


The actual Enumeration (the Census) shall be made within
three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United
States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as
they shall by law direct. (sic)


According to the Constitution, the purpose of the Census is to
apportion electoral votes and congressional seats, which is no more than
one for every 30,000. Twenty-two Censuses have taken place since
then-Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson took the first Census on
August 2, 1790. Today The Bureau of the Census handles this task under Title 13 U.S.C. § 11. Congress has expanded its reach to include surveys and statistical models, like the American Community Survey.
But the Constitution does not provide for the American Community
Survey, although Congress did pass that afterward. Since it is in direct
conflict with the Constitutional requirement, shouldn’t it have needed a
Constitutional Amendment? I challenge you to review all 27 Amendments
of the Constitution and tell me where anything remotely resembling an
Amendment about the census exists.

And here is the problem. If you go to the site for the American Community Survey, they say right there and they're going to mail it out this month, if they haven't already.

What say you? Have they the right to do this? Will you participate?

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  • damnyoumaggot 2012/06/15 11:52:48 (edited)
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    damnyoumaggot
    +8
    In 2010 we received the long form Census. I had already made up my mind, that the only information that they'd get from us, was what they were entitlted to...the number of people living here. I wrote 4 on the form and sent it back in. They sent more forms and letters saying they needed more information. I kept (still got them) the forms and letters. They sent a Census worker to my home who I spoke to and told her Historically what the Census was and that I was under no obligation to answer any other question than the number of people residing here. She didn't press it and even tried to recruit me. I didn't need this, but had it on my person, ready to give to her to take back to her superiors.





    To Whom it May Concern,



    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Art...



























    In 2010 we received the long form Census. I had already made up my mind, that the only information that they'd get from us, was what they were entitlted to...the number of people living here. I wrote 4 on the form and sent it back in. They sent more forms and letters saying they needed more information. I kept (still got them) the forms and letters. They sent a Census worker to my home who I spoke to and told her Historically what the Census was and that I was under no obligation to answer any other question than the number of people residing here. She didn't press it and even tried to recruit me. I didn't need this, but had it on my person, ready to give to her to take back to her superiors.





    To Whom it May Concern,



    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.



    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)



    “Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”



    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.



    Respectfully,



    A Citizen of the United States of America



    -------------



    In 2020 I will participate, and give them the number residing in my home. Other than that...they shouldn't hold their breath.
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  • Goducks5 2012/11/05 04:48:59
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Goducks5
    +1
    Obama probably supports this though. The only thing the Census can ask though is how many people live in your house and they only can do this every ten years.
  • S and S 2012/11/05 02:08:24
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    S and S
    +1
    I got my letter, than the ACS, then a card, then another ASC then another card and now the phone calls have started. There is no-one living at my address with the name "THE RESIDENT OF" Therefore any mail not directly addressed to a person within my residence is automatically destroyed.
  • texasred 2012/06/17 02:20:38
    Undecided
    texasred
    +1
    Oh... I'll turn it in. But it will only have my address and that there are two adults living here. Eff 'em for the rest of the information they want to use against me.
  • teigan 2012/06/15 21:26:27
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    teigan
    +1
    I can't find any authorization for this. I can only find authorization for the Census taken every 10 years. Looks like this was implemented in the 90's.
  • Centurion~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/15 16:35:52
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Centurion~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    This administration just keeps trying to go around the constitution.

    Pray for obama, Psalm 109:8.
  • Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/06/15 15:45:01
    Undecided
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    What ru talking about?

    We just had the actual Enumeration in 2010.

    This is a survey... it's not the same...
  • beachbum 2012/06/15 15:10:20
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    beachbum
    +2
    Thanks for the heads-up on this - didn't know anything about it.........like most survey's, it'll end up in the trash.
  • heidi.lourens.7 2012/06/15 13:28:15
    I will take part. The Constitution lets the Congress "direct" a Census on any...
    heidi.lourens.7
    +1
    Census means terminator. Population limitation.
  • TommyB 2012/06/15 13:02:57
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    TommyB
    +2
    If my household is selected for the American Community Survey the survey will be shredded right along with the other junk mail we receive almost daily.
  • Jeff Smith 2012/06/15 12:50:35
    Undecided
    Jeff Smith
    +1
    I usually put these in the same category as junk mail then file it in an appropriate manner
  • DoxieDad 2012/06/15 12:35:19
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    DoxieDad
    +3
    I don't fit the demographics that these governmental hacks want information about. Being a upper aged "white guy" I never get these things anyway. As many have already said the ten year census was sent out and I filled it with the information that is required by law. I recognized the fact that the government in Washington over the last 50 years has decided to take upon itself the responsibility of stealing from me lawfully earned compensation in order to give it to those who can not or will not do for themselves. Spend it on wars we have no business being in or pork barrel projects that benefit the politically chosen or vocal minorities. Since government does this through the barrel of a gun I have no other choice but to comply. If this survey does come, it will go with all the other spam mail I get.
  • Chi~Cat 2012/06/15 12:03:38 (edited)
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Chi~Cat
    +2
    One big diagonal black sharpie marker slash on the envelope. In other words: Return to Sender.
  • damnyoumaggot 2012/06/15 11:52:48 (edited)
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    damnyoumaggot
    +8
    In 2010 we received the long form Census. I had already made up my mind, that the only information that they'd get from us, was what they were entitlted to...the number of people living here. I wrote 4 on the form and sent it back in. They sent more forms and letters saying they needed more information. I kept (still got them) the forms and letters. They sent a Census worker to my home who I spoke to and told her Historically what the Census was and that I was under no obligation to answer any other question than the number of people residing here. She didn't press it and even tried to recruit me. I didn't need this, but had it on my person, ready to give to her to take back to her superiors.





    To Whom it May Concern,



    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Art...



























    In 2010 we received the long form Census. I had already made up my mind, that the only information that they'd get from us, was what they were entitlted to...the number of people living here. I wrote 4 on the form and sent it back in. They sent more forms and letters saying they needed more information. I kept (still got them) the forms and letters. They sent a Census worker to my home who I spoke to and told her Historically what the Census was and that I was under no obligation to answer any other question than the number of people residing here. She didn't press it and even tried to recruit me. I didn't need this, but had it on my person, ready to give to her to take back to her superiors.





    To Whom it May Concern,



    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.



    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)



    “Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”



    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.



    Respectfully,



    A Citizen of the United States of America



    -------------



    In 2020 I will participate, and give them the number residing in my home. Other than that...they shouldn't hold their breath.
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  • Chi~Cat damnyou... 2012/06/15 12:00:08
    Chi~Cat
    +4
    Bravo to you and yours!
  • Franklin 2012/06/15 11:37:31
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Franklin
    +5
    It says an “ongoing targeted census” ...so that government can better identify (diversity) while investing (wasting) our money . Its just more diversity BS .
  • ed 2012/06/15 08:57:45
    Undecided
    ed
    +2
    Like the last one it to will find it's place at the dump.
  • JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/15 06:56:39
    Undecided
    JERSEYDUDE
    +1
    theres a 2012 census of governments but thats all i know of
  • Justagirl 2012/06/15 06:36:34
    Undecided
    Justagirl
    +1
    WTH...I just had a Census worker knocking at my door a couple of years ago and this was after I answered and mailed in the obligatory 4? questions...
  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/15 05:12:17
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    The constitution says every ten years, and we had one in 2010. Anything extra-constitutional is not constitutionally authorized.
  • SoCalEx-Dem 2012/06/15 04:17:46
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    SoCalEx-Dem
    +7
    Hell no! We just went through all that crap in 2010. Nothing has changed here in California except people leaving. Hmm! maybe we could cut more congress critters. I'll have to give this some more thought.
  • JoeM 2012/06/15 03:59:27
    Undecided
    JoeM
    +1
    I don't know that much about it, yet. I will do some reading.
  • rightside 2012/06/15 03:51:19
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    rightside
    +5
    Ah! bama just wants to add all the illegals he can before the vote in November.
  • cynsity 2012/06/15 03:39:12
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    cynsity
    +2
    I like to refuse to take teh census... and when I get one I put a sign on my gate which reads no trespassing trespassers risk being short for doing so and this mean you census takers! so far not one has come to my door
  • us 2012/06/15 03:38:32
    I will take part. The Constitution lets the Congress "direct" a Census on any...
    us
    I believe they need count so we can have someone in Government represent us.
    Stand up for our constitution.
  • Christian 2012/06/15 03:34:25
    Undecided
    Christian
    I think the census is when they count all the people in the country that have herpes, but I'm not sure though.
  • Rodney 2012/06/15 03:33:12
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Rodney
    +6
    They can kiss my rosy red butt. I may even go one step further and send it right back with a copy of the constitution and a copy of the Oath my representatives took.
  • Oaces_b... Rodney 2012/06/15 04:48:00
  • zapped 2012/06/15 03:27:50
    Undecided
    zapped
    +4
    when we file taxes the know who lives at what address & who all lives there ..

    that all they need to know .....
  • Matt 2012/06/15 03:05:32
    Undecided
    Matt
    +1
    I say "Eliminate the Electoral College and just go by popular vote."
  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/06/15 03:03:00
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    +6
    Didn't we just have a census, but who's counting. I suppose the 0 will have SCYTL do the census.
  • Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL 2012/06/15 02:56:19
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +5
    You can write whatever you want on those forms to beef up the count.
  • Chi~Cat Barefoo... 2012/06/15 11:53:48
    Chi~Cat
    +1
    Got that right, Nana, as our history is either being rewritten or just plain out abolished!
  • Don Leuty 2012/06/15 02:33:51
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    Don Leuty
    +4
    This food for the SCOTUS. This is really nothing more than a smoke screen to expand the role of the government and further invade our privacy.
  • Red Branch 2012/06/15 02:27:45
    Undecided
    Red Branch
    +5
    There was a flare up in Texas after the 2000 Census. It had to do with the estimates made by the Census Bureau. The Republicans challenged the results because it gave representation to the Democrats based on false data.

    This will not be an issue in my state, but this Census bears watching.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/15 02:13:43
    I will refuse! The Constitution says to count people to apportion Representat...
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +7
    I follow the Constitution.
  • "OG" 2012/06/15 01:56:55
    Undecided
    "OG"
    +5
    Shredded upon receipt
  • Oaces_b... "OG" 2012/06/15 02:41:05
  • Chi~Cat "OG" 2012/06/15 12:02:40
    Chi~Cat
    +1
    love that!
  • "OG" Chi~Cat 2012/06/15 12:04:18
    "OG"
    +1
    Thank you my friend. Still some Rebel left in my old a**.
  • Chi~Cat "OG" 2012/06/15 12:10:24 (edited)
    Chi~Cat
    +1
    You bet! Never lose your badness! ; )

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