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Catholic Cardinal Says Adam and Eve DID NOT Exist. Do You Agree ?

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Catholic Cardinal Says Adam and Eve DID NOT Exist. Do You Agree ?

In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.

He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC's Q&A; program last night.

Cardinal Pell said the existence of Adam and Eve was not a matter of science but rather a mythological account.

"It's a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world," he said.

"It's a religious story told for religious purposes."

According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman and all people are descended from them.

Cardinal Pell's explosive comments came after he was questioned about evolution.

He said it was impossible to say when there was a first human.

It is widely accepted in the scientific community that life on Earth has evolved over about four billion years.

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  • Terence Pang 2013/03/10 10:10:23
    YES, I Agree
    Terence Pang
    No. Fossil records, you idiots.
  • nothingbutthetruth 2012/10/08 08:08:34
    NO, I Disagree
    nothingbutthetruth
    Ask them if little boys exist, I betcha they say yes!
  • #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT... 2012/05/01 23:13:52
    NO, I Disagree
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    We may agree on a lot of things Che however, I respectfully disagree on this one. I'm a "faith" person. I throw that catholic cardinal in the same category as Goliath (that uncircumcised Philistine).
  • Robert Hagedorn 2012/04/27 23:20:50
    NO, I Disagree
    Robert Hagedorn
    The STORY certainly exists. It is Western Civilization's oldest well-known story. And no one understands it to this day. Google First Scandal.
  • danielria 2012/04/27 15:41:29
    YES, I Agree
    danielria
    How about a does it really matter option? Who cares if there was an Adam and Eve or not? I sure don't put any faith into anything that was written to control and manipulate mankind. Yes, there are some good things to be learned from the bible, from a moral perspective. But I can not begin to believe that the entire civilization came from these two people. If this were the case, then we would all be the same color, and all of us would be related. I don't think so!
  • 2468 2012/04/25 19:18:06
    YES, I Agree
    2468
    +1
    The Bible is made up of teaching stories and is not meant to be a historically accurate book.

    Add to that many of the stories are borrowed from the pagans.

    You can think of it like a movie of the week. Included is some drama and underlying it is a teaching story and/or moral.
  • Singerar 2012/04/25 17:31:05
    YES, I Agree
    Singerar
    +2
    According to science...there is evolution
  • Dave 2012/04/25 05:40:28
    YES, I Agree
    Dave
    +2
    Of course they didn't - how could they? Adam & Eve is a parable just like most things in the bible.
  • Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥ 2012/04/25 01:21:35
    NO, I Disagree
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    If they did not exist, we would not be here.
  • 2468 Dave Sa... 2012/04/25 19:19:25
    2468
    +1
    So, Adam and Eve have two kids Cain and Able.

    How did we come out of it unless Even and the kids were procreating?
    The story doesn't make logical sense.
  • Dave Sa... 2468 2012/04/25 19:27:16
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    First of all, the Bible says that Adam and Eve had Cain, Abel, and Seth, by name, besides other sons and daughters. And of course the children procreated. Cain married one of his brothers' daughters, so he was not the first child born to Adam and Eve, just the first one we have a name for.
  • 2468 Dave Sa... 2012/04/25 19:37:52
    2468
    +1
    I must have gotten the Cliff notes version in Sunday School.
  • Dave Sa... 2468 2012/04/25 20:03:11
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    Yeah, you really need to read it for yourself and ask God to help you understand it, too.
  • steve.e... Dave Sa... 2012/08/05 17:43:04
    steve.ellis.142892
    +3
    Wow ur dum if they didn't not exist that means we got here from evolution. You did read the story before you commented right u did realize this is about evolution
  • Dave Sa... steve.e... 2012/08/05 17:46:39
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    I don't believe in Evolution because I don't believe everything that I am told by others.
  • Cyan9 2012/04/25 00:11:37
    NO, I Disagree
    Cyan9
    +1
    Technically, there has to be a first human but I highly doubt there were talking snakes involved though.
  • Mantic 2012/04/24 23:25:14 (edited)
    NO, I Disagree
    Mantic
    Since you want a definitive vote you get the negative. But only because I am a skeptic on all sides.

    We know that there was a period -- a bottleneck -- in which our human ancestors were reduced to near extinction. At that point, there was effectively something very like an Adam and Eve, if not necessarily the individuals named in the Hebrew creation story. Jews/Christians/Muslims might also ascribe that genetic evidence to Noah.

    Any definitive statements about prehistory should be suspect, no matter the source. We can only get a fuzzy inkling of things from what evidence is available (like it or not, the Abrahamic creation story is part of the available evidence, and any truly scientific anthropologist would not dismiss it).

    That said, the creation story of the Abrahamic faiths does have symbolic meaning, as the Cardinal stated. It is, however, odd to see an authority of the Catholic Church (being probably the most literal sect of Christianity) taking that angle, to the point that I suspect he may have been taken out of context.

    Not that raging anti-religious nutbars really care whether believers see their holy writings as literal or symbolic.
  • Matilda Walton 2012/04/24 23:01:49
    NO, I Disagree
    Matilda Walton
    CARDINAL PELL, SINCE YOU SAID THAT IT WAS "IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHEN THERE

    WAS A FIRST HUMAN BEING".

    THEN THIS IS WHAT GOD THE FATHER SAYS TO YOU, THROUGH HIS SON KING

    JESUS CHRIST, AND BY THE "SPIRIT OF TRUTH".......JOHN 14:15-26......."WITH MEN

    THIS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW( "WHEN THERE WAS A FIRST HUMAN BEING").

    HOWEVER....."WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE"......MATTHEW 19:26

    THEREFORE IT STANDS TO REASON, THAT IS BASED UPON THE TRUTH OF

    GOD'S WORD........."IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF ALL THINGS ON

    EARTH, IS WHEN GOD THE FATHER CREATED ADAM, THE FIRST HUMAN BEING,

    THE 'FIRST MAN'.............GENESIS 1:26-31.......AND "GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS

    IMAGE"!

    SINCE YOU ARE A "CARDINAL, A MAN SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THE HOLY WRITINGS"

    2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17............THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS A "SIN THAT

    IS UNPARDONABLE.......THE SIN OF BLASPHEMING GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT".................

    MARK 3:28-30........BY ASSOCIATING......"GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT WITH AN UNCLEAN

    SPIRIT OR A LYING SPIRIT, A SPIRIT OF FALSEHOOD. THE SPIRIT OF SATAN THE

    DEVIL".............JOHN 8:44.......1 JOHN 3:8-10.

    WHEN YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT GOD THE FATHER "CANNOT LIE, NOR IS HE A

    MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE, OR A SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT. HAS HE

    SAID, AND WILL HE NOT DO?.......OR HAS HE SPOKEN , A...



    CARDINAL PELL, SINCE YOU SAID THAT IT WAS "IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHEN THERE

    WAS A FIRST HUMAN BEING".

    THEN THIS IS WHAT GOD THE FATHER SAYS TO YOU, THROUGH HIS SON KING

    JESUS CHRIST, AND BY THE "SPIRIT OF TRUTH".......JOHN 14:15-26......."WITH MEN

    THIS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW( "WHEN THERE WAS A FIRST HUMAN BEING").

    HOWEVER....."WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE"......MATTHEW 19:26

    THEREFORE IT STANDS TO REASON, THAT IS BASED UPON THE TRUTH OF

    GOD'S WORD........."IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF ALL THINGS ON

    EARTH, IS WHEN GOD THE FATHER CREATED ADAM, THE FIRST HUMAN BEING,

    THE 'FIRST MAN'.............GENESIS 1:26-31.......AND "GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS

    IMAGE"!

    SINCE YOU ARE A "CARDINAL, A MAN SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THE HOLY WRITINGS"

    2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17............THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS A "SIN THAT

    IS UNPARDONABLE.......THE SIN OF BLASPHEMING GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT".................

    MARK 3:28-30........BY ASSOCIATING......"GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT WITH AN UNCLEAN

    SPIRIT OR A LYING SPIRIT, A SPIRIT OF FALSEHOOD. THE SPIRIT OF SATAN THE

    DEVIL".............JOHN 8:44.......1 JOHN 3:8-10.

    WHEN YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT GOD THE FATHER "CANNOT LIE, NOR IS HE A

    MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE, OR A SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT. HAS HE

    SAID, AND WILL HE NOT DO?.......OR HAS HE SPOKEN , AND WILL HE NOT MAKE

    GOOD"?............NUMBERS 23:19.......TITUS 1:2

    SO WHY WOULD YOU, CARDINAL, BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD?
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  • Che Gue... Matilda... 2012/04/24 23:05:55
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    Glad you stopped by to clear things up. Can you explain these please ?

    Theological doctrines:

    1. God is satisfied with his works
    Gen 1:31
    God is dissatisfied with his works.
    Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
    2 Chron 7:12,16
    God dwells not in temples
    Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
    Tim 6:16
    God dwells in darkness
    1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
    Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
    Ex 24:9-11
    God is invisible and cannot be heard
    John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
    Ex 31:17
    God is never tired and never rests
    Is 40:28
    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
    Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
    God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
    things
    Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
    7. God knows the hearts of men
    Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
    God tries men to find out what is in their heart
    Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
    8. God is all powerful
    Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
    God is not all powerful
    Judg 1:19
    9. God is unchangeable
    James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ E...






























































    Glad you stopped by to clear things up. Can you explain these please ?

    Theological doctrines:

    1. God is satisfied with his works
    Gen 1:31
    God is dissatisfied with his works.
    Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
    2 Chron 7:12,16
    God dwells not in temples
    Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
    Tim 6:16
    God dwells in darkness
    1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
    Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
    Ex 24:9-11
    God is invisible and cannot be heard
    John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
    Ex 31:17
    God is never tired and never rests
    Is 40:28
    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
    Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
    God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
    things
    Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
    7. God knows the hearts of men
    Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
    God tries men to find out what is in their heart
    Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
    8. God is all powerful
    Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
    God is not all powerful
    Judg 1:19
    9. God is unchangeable
    James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
    God is changeable
    Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
    Ex 33:1,3,17,14
    10. God is just and impartial
    Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
    God is unjust and partial
    Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
    11. God is the author of evil
    Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
    God is not the author of evil
    1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
    12. God gives freely to those who ask
    James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
    God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
    them
    John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
    13. God is to be found by those who seek him
    Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
    God is not to be found by those who seek him
    Prov 1:28
    14. God is warlike
    Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
    God is peaceful
    Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
    15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
    Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
    God is kind, merciful, and good
    James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
    1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
    16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
    Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
    God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
    Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
    17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
    sacrifices ,and holy days
    Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
    God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
    sacrifices, and holy days.
    Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
    18. God accepts human sacrifices
    2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
    God forbids human sacrifice
    Deut 12:30,31
    19. God tempts men
    Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
    God tempts no man
    James 1:13
    20. God cannot lie
    Heb 6:18
    God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
    2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
    21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
    Gen 6:5,7
    Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
    Gen 8:21
    22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
    Rom 1:20
    God's attributes cannot be discovered
    Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
    23. There is but one God
    Deut 6:4
    There is a plurality of gods
    Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
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  • Keeping It Real 2012/04/24 22:19:38
    NO, I Disagree
    Keeping It Real
    +1
    No wonder so many people are jacked up in this country.
  • Che Gue... Keeping... 2012/04/24 22:21:35
    Che Guevara - Hero
    What does a jack have to do with anything ?
    car jack
  • Keeping... Che Gue... 2012/04/24 23:08:33
    Keeping It Real
    +1
    It's just a figure of speech! LOL CARTOON
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/04/24 22:17:52
    YES, I Agree
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +2
    Being an atheist I never believed in the whole Bible, let alone the story of Adam and Eve.
  • 3003573 2012/04/24 21:00:20
  • findthelight2000 2012/04/24 20:52:24
    YES, I Agree
    findthelight2000
    +3
    The story of Adam and Eve is just that..., a story.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/04/24 20:18:32
    YES, I Agree
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +2
    I don't believe in god so I can't believe in Adam and Eve.
  • luvguins 2012/04/24 18:05:34
    YES, I Agree
    luvguins
    +4
    A woman from a rib, and a talking snake? I don't think so, and apparently the Cardinal doesn't either. :-p
  • activ1 2012/04/24 18:04:46
    YES, I Agree
    activ1
    +3
    I got in trouble in Catholic school for pointing out how absurd and illogical that story is.
  • sjalan 2012/04/24 17:32:17
    YES, I Agree
    sjalan
    +3
    And in just one little statement this Cardinal brings the ENTIRE Bible under question. LOL

    Bet he's in the hot seat today!!!
  • conservyT 2012/04/24 17:21:26
    NO, I Disagree
    conservyT
    Of course NOT!

    This is the problem within the Catholic Church. It is people like this cardinal that should leave the Church and join one that believes what he believes in, because what he is preaching goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church and he knows this.
    He’s committing blasphemy and I for one will NEVER agree with such a person; Catholic or Not!
  • Che Gue... conservyT 2012/04/24 17:27:03
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    Please post some sort of regulation that says people in the Catholic Church cannot believe that the Adam and Eve are a myth.
  • conservyT Che Gue... 2012/04/24 17:53:27
    conservyT
    You want me to post the Canon Law Book?
  • Che Gue... conservyT 2012/04/24 17:54:03
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    No, just the regulation that says people in the Catholic Church cannot believe that the Adam and Eve are a myth.
  • conservyT Che Gue... 2012/04/24 18:45:31
    conservyT
    +1
    Point being, is that the Catholic Church has already explained itself, therefore, if this cardinal isn’t satisfy with the outcome then he should go and join another Church that will be more to his likeness.

    But please don't try and school me on what My Church teaches when you’re out prompting che the very man that killed so many because they didn't agree with his philosophies..http://rlv.zcac...

    If you and this cardinal do NOT agree with what the Church teaches, move on and stop your DAM LIES!!!
  • Che Gue... conservyT 2012/04/24 19:19:43
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    So is that your way of saying you can't post any official law or rule that says that you can't be Catholic and believe that the story of Adam and Eve is a myth used to explain evil and suffering in the world ?
  • conservyT Che Gue... 2012/04/25 23:23:27
    conservyT
    I could post many things, but it's my way of saying WHY WASTE MY TIME!
  • MsTlynne Che Gue... 2012/04/24 19:50:15
    MsTlynne
    +1
    As Christians, we believe the Word of God is true. YOU don't have to believe it, but we do believe. If this man is going to be part of the Christian Church, he should be preaching the Word of God.

    John 1
    The Word Became Flesh
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
    6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

    9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
  • Che Gue... MsTlynne 2012/04/24 19:52:43
    Che Guevara - Hero
    We were discussing the rules that pertain to Catholics. But thanks anyway.
  • MsTlynne Che Gue... 2012/04/24 20:31:19
    MsTlynne
    +1
    Catholics were included in my response. You're welcome.
  • Che Gue... MsTlynne 2012/04/24 22:23:36
    Che Guevara - Hero
    Then you can post a rule specific to the Catholic Church that forbids someone from being Catholic because they think the story of Adam and Eve is a myth used to teach about evil ?

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