Can the Progressives be trusted to protect America's future?

BrianD3 2012/06/05 16:28:31
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  • Charge 2012/06/05 17:05:14
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Progressives use intimidation, threats and control to get what they want.... they are un-American.

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  • ReconMarine~PWCM*AVA*BTTB*JLA* 2012/06/07 17:36:19 (edited)
  • Claybern 2012/06/06 01:31:54
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Another no brainer.
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/06 00:18:32
    Hell Friggin NO!
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    That is like trusting the wolf to guard the sheep.
  • joe ramirez 2012/06/05 23:31:38
    Not likely
    joe ramirez
    Might as well give it to the communist and it will be the same result!
  • DuncanONeil 2012/06/05 21:42:55
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Absolutely Not, No way! No how!
  • nverumind 2012/06/05 20:41:07
    Hell Friggin NO!
  • D D 2012/06/05 20:07:34
    Hell Friggin NO!
    D D
    Absolutely not!

  • Striker 2012/06/05 19:55:25
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Hey, look what they've already done to Amerika's past AND it's future!
    It's called Force, which comes right along with Governments. Get a CLUE!
  • Tasine 2012/06/05 19:11:10
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Nope. I am beginning to wonder if there exists any politician who can be trusted to protect America's future. Obama's tenure is an abysmal failure. I don't suppose Clinton's could be called a failure, but like all Presidents before them and after him, and all our representatives and Senators seem perfectly willing to pass legislation that deprives Americans of their God given rights they were born with. Any one of them could trash our nation, as Obama is already doing. Those laws should be declared unconstitutional, but who in government worries about that. Even the Supremes seem to be afraid of doing what needs doing.
  • mrk5panzer 2012/06/05 19:04:04
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Not a chance!
  • A Founding Father 2012/06/05 18:15:44
    A Founding Father
    Go any reputable dictionary and look up the definitions to the two words, "Progressive" and "Conservative". You will find that only "Progressive" describes a focus on the future
    or seeking a better tomorrow. "Conservative", on the other hand describes a focus on the past, a reflection of things gone by and glory days of yesterday. Which term do you think
    best answers your question?
  • D D A Found... 2012/06/05 20:01:16
    D D
    Ok? So? Everything the parties are about are not in the dictionary. Progressives want socialism/communism. Neither are new ideas. Nothing progressive.
  • A Found... D D 2012/06/05 22:15:31 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Obviously you suffer from delusions and fears beyond the realities in which we live. I can't help you, except to recommend seeing a professional, else stop watching the Fox network and listening to the RWNJs that habit talk radio shows. "Communism" has been dead as an ideology for thirty years, and "Socialism" is another term for "Capitalism" as it is practiced and used today - "Corporate Socialism", and "Social Welfare", the twin sisters of the present Century. Notice that all the growing economies and nations gaining influence in the world can be described as having "socialist" programs in place to support their strengthening populations - China, Russia, Germany, Brazil, Vietnam, India, Canada, and more. What other lessons of adaptation do you need to learn before putting away the fear and delusions that haunt your thoughts? The U.S., living in fear of change and wishing for "yesterdays" glories, is sliding downhill like a bobsled, led by a fear mongering bunch of lunatics from the Farside who have strangled the U.S. Government with death grip.
  • D D A Found... 2012/06/05 23:21:09
    D D
    First I have never listened to talk radio, never. I only listen to music and have on the radio only in my car. I am not in the car that much so I hear little. Second I do not watch mainstream media.

    Our founding fathers were very clear that we were to be a free nation. Even obama has said the constitution is making things hard for him. It shows you how intelligent they were that they covered so much that is going on now. They saw how governments could be and they did their best to keep that from this nation. Socialism/communism is not America.

    There are just as many countries that are in a very bad way due to socialism. I also disagree that Russia, Brazil, Vietnam are doing that great. China manipulates its currency and that is illegal by international law, but no one does anything.
  • A Found... D D 2012/06/05 23:30:12
    A Founding Father
    Indeed, the 1700s were a period of great thoughts for those who recalled their narrow escape from the despotic religious zealots of Europe from which their
    ancestors had recently escaped. Now it is the 21st Century and things are just
    a tad different than in 1775. In fact, we now have a standing army, and can no longer own slaves, and females can actually own property and vote. WOW, how
    things have changed.

    Today, China is loaning us money so we can continue to believe we are some great thing and sail our fleet of ships around the world making like a bully on the schoolyard. And, we can let a few Banks and Brokers take $27 Trillion from our citizens and not even be a bit angry at them. In 1775 the "Founding Fathers" would have called out the militia and gathered on the "green" at Concord or some such place to regain the stolen money. Today, we just say "Oh, what the heck, that was just Reaganomics and they deserved to have our money". Then, we will go to the polls and try to reelect these same people to take whatever is left of the economy and assets of the working class. Go figure that one.
  • D D A Found... 2012/06/06 00:12:31
    D D
    Our founding fathers would have called out the militia a long time ago. If the U.S. government had not borrowed and spent an extra five trillion dollars that we did not have over the past several years, we would be in the middle of a rip-roaring economic depression right now. So any talk that Barack Obama is "improving the economy" is a total farce. It is a five trillion dollar lie. The reality is that Barack Obama and the U.S. Congress have been stealing trillions of dollars from future generations in order to make things tolerable in the present.
  • A Found... D D 2012/06/06 02:09:46 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Could be worse, couldn't it? Suppose they just let the economy totally collapse as was the plan of the Republicans? Wouldn't that make the
    LWNJs happy now? Note where the debts came from, beginning with
    Reagan (doubled it), Bush Sr. (50% Increase), Bush Jr. (doubled it again).
    Obama - added a couple of Trillion, partly to bail the auto industry and to
    cover the $857Billion that Bush Jr gave to the Banks before he left town.
    Yes, they all do it, some more than others.
  • D D A Found... 2012/06/06 19:51:59
    D D
    We probably should have let happen what was gonna happen and let our free economy sort itself out. I said probably. I do know we are only postponing the collapse that is to come. I did not want to do the bailout.

  • A Found... D D 2012/06/06 20:09:36 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Well, I'm sure the five or six million citizens who are now employed and paying their way in this nation as a result of the courage with which the President faced down the destruction of the Republican Party of No, and persons like yourself who seem to totally lack compassion and understanding of how things work. Were it not for the "bailout" as you call it, all of these citizens would now be dependents of the taxpayer's welfare system, without hope and surrendering their homes to the Reagan Banks and lenders while feeding the families with Food Stamps and unemployment checks. The "bailout funds" have been nearly all repaid, and the remaining balances are secured by equities in the auto firms. I can't imagine how people like you see the world, except through the most selfish and narcissistic colored glasses. I personally don't known anyone so obviously selfish and lacking, and hope to keep it that way.

    By the way, your little photos contain erroneous and distorted numbers.
  • BrianD3 D D 2012/06/08 11:26:39
    scary stuff
  • BrianD3 A Found... 2012/06/05 20:06:01
    yes, trust the dictionary to tell you what to believe. You do not believe your own eyes?

    They do seek progress, no doubt but progress towards what??? If you are near a clif, moving forward might not be the best strategy.
  • A Found... BrianD3 2012/06/05 22:28:00
    A Founding Father
    So, pick another strategy and seek to attract a following. Good luck. So far, only the present Administration has offered any alternatives to the impending cliff that has been
    there for three decades and more. If you hear of another viable movement toward any
    alternative to "Corporate Socialism" and "Reaganomics", let me know and I will try to
    join right in and do my best.
  • BrianD3 A Found... 2012/06/06 11:43:25
    obama  cliff

    that strategy?
  • JP A Found... 2012/06/05 20:21:32
    Word games only fool those that want to be fooled.
  • A Found... JP 2012/06/05 22:24:33 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Or, knowing what words mean can keep one from being fooled when a lunatic with a radio or television show begins to use a word or two to disguise a hidden agenda. The fear mongering from the RWNJs is the source of the "communism" and "socialism" stories. Like children's night time tales of ghosts and haunted houses, striking fear into the minds of the naive and innocents has become a career that pays well for a few blowhards and charlatans that lead the RWNJs parade of ignorance and anger. "Corporate Socialism" is, indeed, a process we are engaging in that is destructive and will lead to the collapse of the Republic as we know it. But, only a few can grasp that, as the terms is rather new and not yet found in most dictionaries.
  • D D A Found... 2012/06/05 23:23:36
    D D
    We might agree on one thing, that we are headed to an economic collapse and our republic will be gone.
  • A Found... D D 2012/06/05 23:31:50
    A Founding Father
    Wall Street and the Reagan Banks will survive, and will then own it all. We will just change the name of the nation to "Goldman Sachs, et al" and life will go on as it has for the past three decades.
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/07 17:55:51 (edited)
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/07 18:53:03 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    It was at the request of President George W. Bush that $857Billion was given to the Reagan Banks in the fourth quarter of 2008, supposedly to
    replace the liquidity that the bankers had drained to themselves with bonuses and salaries from overstated earnings of the past three decades. Congress had no choice, as the "revised numbers" indicated the world banking system was about to collapse and the bankers and their Party of No were threatening to let it all collapse. Was that true? Probably not, as when Barack Obama later added to the "bailout" he did it as loans secured by options on the bank assets and stocks, which has been essentially all repaid. Bush knew, or should have known, that his gift was just that, a final toss of taxpayer's money to those who had kept him in his office for eight years.
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/07 19:27:42
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/07 20:10:33 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    I am much aware and listened to every detail of the events at that time. The President took the lead to request the appropriations for the gifts to the banks, the Reagan Banks, those intentionally operating under Federal charters and claimed to be "too big to fail". Congress hastily agreed and passed the legislation, of course.

    Take note that when Barack Obama added to the funds, he did so as loans, secured by the assets and stock of the banks, who hastily repaid the funds as they were never really needed, depending on how the balance sheets were presented at the moment.

    The Republicans were greatly appreciative of all that Wall Street and the Reagan Banks had done for the past three decades, and they remain committed to these institutions. Given the opportunity, these pillagers will again gather the assets of the middle class of our citizens to themselves, either by "operations" or through another false claim of collapse and calamity. Depending on who is in the White House at the moment, the Feds will either gift or loan "liquidity" to the banks, as was the topic of discussion this very day before Congress. That is the great issue of the forthcoming election - who controls the taxpayer's money, to gift or to loan?
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/08 16:45:01
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/08 17:11:27
    A Founding Father
    Indeed you are right, those who accumulated $27Trillion from the assets of America's middle class are refusing to invest it here. The
    whole objective of "Reaganomics" was to accumulate this money for investment in the "emerging economies of the world" (I heard those words from the lips of RR himself and again from his Cabinet Secretaries), which remains the objectives of Wall Street and the Reagan Banks, and such hedge funds as Bain Capital.

    Every family that has been or will be able to renegotiate their mortgage is a success story in itself. The fact that the lenders are
    resistant and delaying the process is not a fault of the Govy, but a
    testament of the tenacity of these pillagers and their power to control what Congress is willing to authorize. The Reagan Banks and lenders are hoping for a "win" in November and then the foreclosure processes can begin again in earnest, converting the American dream from ownership to "renters", as in the days of Lords and Serfs.
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/08 18:33:32 (edited)
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/08 18:41:51 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Perhaps the "Top 2% Club" will again be asked to pay a fair share of taxes as they did before they took control of Congress and voted themselves a maximum 15% FIT and left corporations with little to no taxes to pay? When the middle class have no assets left to give to the Reagan Banks and Wall Street's brokers and have no earned incomes to be taxed at 20-30%, then the game will shift and to goal posts moved again.
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/08 19:29:30
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/09 00:26:34
    A Founding Father
    You don't grasp the difference between the "stated rate of corporate taxation" and the "effective rate of corporate taxation". In the past decade, the 80 largest U.S. Corporations paid a net ZERO in FIT, and received something like $1 Trillion in Federal grants in aid for "research" and "explorative drilling",and "bailout" etc. GWB gave the Federally charted Reagan BAnks $857 Billion in one day!!! The effective corporate tax rate on net earnings before statutory credits, offsets, and such nonsense is just about 7%, that is SEVEN PERCENT, paid almost entirely by the smallest corporations, such as incorporated medical practices, small businesses, and mom and pop operations.
  • ReconMa... A Found... 2012/06/09 01:06:10
  • A Found... ReconMa... 2012/06/09 01:46:40
    A Founding Father
    Perhaps you know another way to pay down the debts we have accumulated by giving these specialized interests a
    "tax break" for three decades? Tell us how we will make
    magic and invent money without collecting taxes.

    Reagan promised that "growth" would be so astounding that we would never have to again collect taxes equal to our spending. We can testify to how that has worked out,
    can't we? Growth has been fantastic, in China, Brazil,
    India, and a dozen other countries where our capital is invested, and the profits are safely in "offshore" accounts
    of hedge funds and corporations, free of U.S. income tax.

    Taxation has little to do with jobs. If lowering taxes did create jobs we would be begging people to fill one of the millions of vacancies that "Reaganomics" would have created.
  • Rod 2012/06/05 17:55:39
    Hell Friggin NO!
    Proof is in the pudding. Look at what they have done over the last five and a half years. Especially over the last three and a half years.

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