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Can the middle class survive a Willard Romney presidency?

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  • Blackwi... Lt. Fred 2012/05/07 08:06:29
    BlackwinterG36C
    You don't get it.

    First of they are called Socialist parties because they ARE Socialist! Socalism is a one step or notch before full blown Comminism. Its the halfway point between Capitalism and Communism. Where the majority of companies and almost all the big ones are subsidized or outright owned by the government. Socialism basically a government-run economy. Capitalism is a private economy.

    2nd Greek entitlement programs have become SO expensive that in order for companies and the government to survive they NEED to make those cuts. If The guy living of the government program is making more than the guy paying the program you have an unsustainable system. Because once the taxpayer runs out of money to pay for some worker's benefits well that just means we need more to spend more on the guy's benifits! Do you not see how ridicules, illogical, and dangerous wreckless government spending is?

    3rd This IS what a socailist or liberal society creates. A class of people who get EVERYTHING for free. Free healthcare, free collage, free car, free house, etc They never have to work for it or earn it. Like in the real world. Its an entitlement. And here's the sad part this whole class exists just to be a reliable voting block for the party. Because once their entitlements are threa...









    You don't get it.

    First of they are called Socialist parties because they ARE Socialist! Socalism is a one step or notch before full blown Comminism. Its the halfway point between Capitalism and Communism. Where the majority of companies and almost all the big ones are subsidized or outright owned by the government. Socialism basically a government-run economy. Capitalism is a private economy.

    2nd Greek entitlement programs have become SO expensive that in order for companies and the government to survive they NEED to make those cuts. If The guy living of the government program is making more than the guy paying the program you have an unsustainable system. Because once the taxpayer runs out of money to pay for some worker's benefits well that just means we need more to spend more on the guy's benifits! Do you not see how ridicules, illogical, and dangerous wreckless government spending is?

    3rd This IS what a socailist or liberal society creates. A class of people who get EVERYTHING for free. Free healthcare, free collage, free car, free house, etc They never have to work for it or earn it. Like in the real world. Its an entitlement. And here's the sad part this whole class exists just to be a reliable voting block for the party. Because once their entitlements are threatend or not honored They will riot because they didn't get their free ice cream or whatever they feel they've been denied. Because thats how the world works. You don't have to work or contribute to society. Life is just a free ride that somebody else has to pay for.

    4th The Euro HAS made the european crisis worse. It will ALWAYS make it worse. The Euro will make any incoming economic problem worse because the value of the euro will always be inconsistant. In one country its value will be high. Another its value will be low. Simultaneus economic values are a recipe for disaster on their own. When you add an incoming problem it only makes things worse than before.

    5th I'm using host- parasite as the most simple analogy for a very complex system because thats what socialism and liberalism create. The productive and the dependant.

    6th The Torys are the only thing keeping the UK afloat!! They should never be trusted again because the world doesn't need another Churchill or Thatcher. The world needs more Neville Chamberlins.

    7th Germany is he cause and the solution because they are the dominant economy. If you want their money you have to abide by their rules. Just like any other economic situation where one is the lender and one is the borrower. DUH! They just identified the problem is wreckless spending and need to make cuts just like anyone who believes in living within their means. If those countries leave the euro thats good for them and europe. Just bad for France and Germany who's whole idea for the euro came from. Your just looking at the short term problems. Finacial discipline can be hard and uncomfortble but only the next day matters not 5 or 10 years from now.But liberals only think about short term problems.

    8th Spending money the government has IS what OBAMA is doing! Thats what this poll question is about in the first place Obama vs Romney. Obama just like any liberal thinks spending money we don't have on programs like the "Stimulus Plan" and Obamacare can save the world. You can solve ANY problem by just throwing money at it. Thats the kind of thinking that got us into debt in the first place. And then on top of that debt comes Obama spending it on things with money we don't have. Romney has been in the private sector and understand what makes it work. UNLIKE Obama who has spent most of his life either theorizing and community organizing which is basicallly redistribution of wealth for the benifit of the democrat party. Obama has NO experiance leading anything. He's never had to compromise or work for anything in life. He's always had someone else clean up his messes in life. He's just schmoozed and backroom-dealed his way to the top just like the Clintons except he uses the race card to get out of problem.
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  • Lt. Fred Blackwi... 2012/05/07 09:12:37
    Lt. Fred
    {First of they are called Socialist parties because they ARE Socialist!}

    Nonsense. Take Franscoise Hollande; he wants the existence of private banks, a market economy, bosses- in short capitalism. Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party.

    {Its the halfway point between Capitalism and Communism.}

    More specifically, it's a state where capitalism has been banned (banks nationalized, worker control of industry) but the state has not yet 'withered away'.

    {Where the majority of companies and almost all the big ones are subsidized or outright owned by the government.}

    In a socialist economy, there are no private businesses. None.

    {Socialism basically a government-run economy. Capitalism is a private economy.}

    Capitalism is a heavily government-regulated economy. Feudalism is a private economy.

    {2nd Greek entitlement programs have become SO expensive that in order for companies and the government to survive they NEED to make those cuts.}

    Greece has the weakest welfare state in Europe. The problem is the recession (which has lowered tax revenues).

    {If The guy living of the government program is making more than the guy paying the program}

    Which is not happening.

    If your government is pursuing a policy (austerity) that is creating mass unemployment, you have an unsustainable policy.

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    {First of they are called Socialist parties because they ARE Socialist!}

    Nonsense. Take Franscoise Hollande; he wants the existence of private banks, a market economy, bosses- in short capitalism. Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party.

    {Its the halfway point between Capitalism and Communism.}

    More specifically, it's a state where capitalism has been banned (banks nationalized, worker control of industry) but the state has not yet 'withered away'.

    {Where the majority of companies and almost all the big ones are subsidized or outright owned by the government.}

    In a socialist economy, there are no private businesses. None.

    {Socialism basically a government-run economy. Capitalism is a private economy.}

    Capitalism is a heavily government-regulated economy. Feudalism is a private economy.

    {2nd Greek entitlement programs have become SO expensive that in order for companies and the government to survive they NEED to make those cuts.}

    Greece has the weakest welfare state in Europe. The problem is the recession (which has lowered tax revenues).

    {If The guy living of the government program is making more than the guy paying the program}

    Which is not happening.

    If your government is pursuing a policy (austerity) that is creating mass unemployment, you have an unsustainable policy.

    {Do you not see how ridicules, illogical, and dangerous wreckless government spending is?}

    Government spending is not a factor in the creation of the crisis. That is solely caused by the US-caused, German-perpetuated recession.

    {This IS what a socailist or liberal society creates.}

    Nonsense. This is what bad policy creates.

    {A class of people who get EVERYTHING for free.}

    There are no such people.

    {Free healthcare}

    Everyone in the first world who is not American gets free health insurance, and it works far better than the private system.

    {free collage}

    That's basically an investment the government makes in society. It increases the number of very well educated people, making the economy stronger in the long run.

    {free car}

    Never happens.

    {free house}

    There is still an incentive to work in Greece. Mass unemployment has been caused by the recession, and by austerity, not by laziness.

    {Because once their entitlements are threatend or not honored}

    It's important to note what 'entitlements' we are talking about here. Greece is being asked to slash 1) wages for employees, 2) pensions and 3) the number of people employed by the government. Not public health insurance or public housing.

    {You don't have to work or contribute to society.}

    Austerity REDUCES EMPLOYMENT. Not-austerity INCREASES employment.

    {The Euro HAS made the european crisis worse.}

    As I said, almost true. It's made it more difficult to resolve.

    {the value of the euro will always be inconsistant.}

    That's not quite true, but you've got the right idea. The single interest rate will not be perfectly appropriate for every country. That hasn't actually been much of a problem recently: the Central Bank's policy has actually been bad for everyone.

    {I'm using host- parasite as the most simple analogy for a very complex system because thats what socialism and liberalism create. The productive and the dependant.}

    And that's exactly why you shouldn't. There are no such thing as 'productive' or 'dependent' countries. That's just nonsense.

    {The Torys are the only thing keeping the UK afloat!!}

    They've driven Britain into depression, for no good reason. They certainly will not survive the next election, because of their incompetence.

    {They should never be trusted again because the world doesn't need another Churchill or Thatcher. The world needs more Neville Chamberlins.}

    Well, Thatcher was similarly incompetent, though Churchill made a few nice speeches.

    {Germany is he cause and the solution because they are the dominant economy. If you want their money you have to abide by their rules.}

    This isn't necessarily wrong, though it's slightly misleading. Germany dominates the EU, so they set the rules for member nations. In this case, Germany's rules are 'give us all your money'. The only trouble (from Germany's perspective) is that countries like Greece might choose, instead, to leave the EU. If Germany wants the EU to continue to exist, they have to compromise on their Theft Policies.

    {They just identified the problem is wreckless spending}

    Mistakenly. The problem is the recession.

    {and need to make cuts just like anyone who believes in living within their means.}

    Austerity in a recession makes a worse recession.

    {If those countries leave the euro thats good for them and europe.}

    It's very good for Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. But it's very bad for Germany.

    {Your just looking at the short term problems.}

    I'm not sure you've noticed, but the short-term problems are by far the most serious.

    {Finacial discipline can be hard and uncomfortble}

    And unnecessary, destructive, idiotic...

    {but only the next day matters not 5 or 10 years from now.}

    The problem facing Europe right now is far more serious than a potential problem that might arise in five years.

    {Spending money the government has IS what OBAMA is doing!}

    Wrong. False. Obama certainly should have spent a lot of money (on roads and so on), but didn't. In fact, overall government spending (including state and local government spending) DEcreased since 2008.

    {Obama just like any liberal thinks spending money we don't have on programs like the "Stimulus Plan" and Obamacare can save the world.}

    Well, the health insurance reform saves money. But the single major spending program of Obama's government- the stimulus (not the 'stimulus')- was a very good idea, much too small.

    {You can solve ANY problem by just throwing money at it.}

    The only way to end a recession is to spend a lot of money in a short time.

    {Thats the kind of thinking that got us into debt in the first place.}

    Debt doesn't matter.

    {Obama spending it on things with money we don't have.}

    This has not happened, though it should.

    {Romney has been in the private sector and understand what makes it work.}

    Cocaine and hookers, basically.

    {the democrat party.}

    DemocratIC party, not the other.

    {Obama has NO experiance leading anything.}

    Except the US government for three years.

    {He's never had to compromise or work for anything in life.}

    Except every job he's ever had.

    {He's always had someone else clean up his messes in life.}

    A lie.

    {He's just schmoozed and backroom-dealed his way to the top just like the Clintons except he uses the race card to get out of problem.}

    Another lie. A racist one.
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  • Blackwi... Lt. Fred 2012/05/07 13:22:49
    BlackwinterG36C
    {Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party}.
    If they weren't socalists they would call themselves something else. You obviously ARE a socialist or some other far-left wacko if you think people who proudly call themselves socailist aren't so socialists. France is a socialist democracy. Socialist ideasoriginated there. Marxism sprung from Socialism. Not the other way around. Duh!

    {In a socialist economy, there are no private businesses. None.}
    Then what do you call China? What do you call Saddam's Iraq HELLO! You obviously are IN favor of government just swallowing up companies. Because you defend Socialism and try to rediefine it as something else. There are varying degrees of socialism. Its a economic system not just a government.

    {Capitalism is a heavily government-regulated economy. Feudalism is a private economy.}
    Capitalism is a free economy that is open to any either private or government. Capitalism is Laissez-Faire where companys trade freely with little or no government involvement. Fuedalism isn't a private economy its a psuedo-slave economy. Its a primative private economy.

    Greece may be the weakest welfare state in europe but its a socialist one when compared to the US economy. Greece is just one example of many. Anywhere in europe where st...

































































    {Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party}.
    If they weren't socalists they would call themselves something else. You obviously ARE a socialist or some other far-left wacko if you think people who proudly call themselves socailist aren't so socialists. France is a socialist democracy. Socialist ideasoriginated there. Marxism sprung from Socialism. Not the other way around. Duh!

    {In a socialist economy, there are no private businesses. None.}
    Then what do you call China? What do you call Saddam's Iraq HELLO! You obviously are IN favor of government just swallowing up companies. Because you defend Socialism and try to rediefine it as something else. There are varying degrees of socialism. Its a economic system not just a government.

    {Capitalism is a heavily government-regulated economy. Feudalism is a private economy.}
    Capitalism is a free economy that is open to any either private or government. Capitalism is Laissez-Faire where companys trade freely with little or no government involvement. Fuedalism isn't a private economy its a psuedo-slave economy. Its a primative private economy.

    Greece may be the weakest welfare state in europe but its a socialist one when compared to the US economy. Greece is just one example of many. Anywhere in europe where students or workers are rioting for their endless list of entitlements. It IS happening it HAS been happening ALL over europe and other socialist democracies. There IS such a people. Anyone who gets a endless supply of welfare checks IS part of that class. A person that never works (possibly never worked). Who has gotten all the entitlements he or she could want. Free healthcare, Free Collage, Free Housing, Free anything, etc (Oh by the way that individual could bu a car with his welfare check or any other luxery item.) The welfare state encourages laziness because government workers are lazy. When you are SO financialy secure there is no incentive: to work hard, finish what you start, work longer hours, be a team player, etc When a person lives in a consequance free environment you get lazy and unproductive. If the government of say greece or any other country wants to cut entitlements they obviously are SO exorbitant that they are nothing more than a burden. A money pit. Especially when that worker is being paid twice or 3 times hos or her salary because of some corrupt union agreement.

    {Not-austerity INCREASES employment}
    What crack are YOU smoking?! When a company or small business is spends all its profits on taxes. It doesn't have any money left to pay so and so or keep a position they can afford to cut. A company or small busness can't hire someone if it TOO busy paying some ridicules tax or fee. THATS NON-austerity as you call it. Austerity creates jobs because it takes government off the back of a company or small business giving them room to grow. "Now that we are paying half the taxes we were last year we can now afford to create an office in sectors X and Y". Lets see you were born in 1991 and your Australian. You have NO clue or idea what your talking about. You didn't see the complete 180 the US economy made in the 1980s from the Jimmy Carter recession to the Reagan booming economy. Or The Thatcher economy. Australia's dominant industries are Resources and Tourism. Something that isn't dependant on products or services. But dependant on foriegn investment. Since your country's economy is dependant on foriegn investment it makes you a dependant economy.

    {They've driven Britain into depression, for no good reason. They certainly will not survive the next election, because of their incompetence.}

    When you have parties like the Labor party and other socialist parties running your government no matter how many Torys are spinkled in. Labor party agendas will get passed wether the PM is a Tory or not. The PM is not the only cog in government that makes decisions. They may not survive because they've been destroyed by a welfare voting block that is on Labor's side.

    {Well, Thatcher was similarly incompetent, though Churchill made a few nice speeches.}
    WOW again you have NO idea what your talking about. If it wasn't for people like Thatcher the UK would have sunk in the 80s or 90s. Not to mention you might be speaking Russian right now. And if wasn't for people like Churchill you'd DEFINATLY be speaking German!

    {The problem is the recession}
    You obviously have NO idea what a recession is becausethis is your first one. Recessions come and go. They are cause by wreckless spending especially spending money you don't have or giving out loans to people that could never pay them back. Recessions are times of low employement and no investment. A general slowdown of the economy to the point where there is either no growth or shrinkage of an economy. The recession IS a huge problem but not THE problem. Because they come and go in cycles.

    {Austerity in a recession makes a worse recession}
    Again you are 21 and have no idea what your talking about. "Austerity doesn't work." Tell that to Reagan and Thatcher who saved thier economies with it. But then again you wouldn't remember them.

    {I'm not sure you've noticed, but the short-term problems are by far the most serious. The problem facing Europe right now is far more serious than a potential problem that might arise in five years.}
    WOW thats just ignorence and stupidity right there. Why Do Today What You Can Put Off Until Tomorrow. Why should one save money or invest in things that are years away. Live in the moment Dude! Or should I say Mate!! You obviously never heard the classic Aesop fable the ant and the grasshopper. Yes the current problem is important but why take preliminary mearsures in life for those unforseen problems down the road.

    {Obama}
    First off you don't live in America and have no idea what your talking about when it comes to America, the american economy, government, and Obama.

    Second Obama has spent more in 3 years than all 43 US presidents combined.

    {Well, the health insurance reform saves money. But the single major spending program of Obama's government- the stimulus (not the 'stimulus')- was a very good idea, much too small.}

    Obamacare is a corrupt unpopular bill signed in the dark of night without anyone really reading it. Its designed to tax and regulate insurance companies out of business. Discourage businesses from keeping whatever plan they have. Forces people by LAW to buy something (governement health insurance). Which is unconstitutional. And 70% of the american people said no to this bill. But Obama passed it anyway. Governing against the will of the people. The so called "Stimulus" plan was nothing more than a slush fund and a blank check for any democrat in congress or senate. It was ALREADY too big and did nothing for the economy. It was just a blank check for spendaholic democrats.

    {Debt doesn't matter.}
    That is by far the stupidest thing you've ever said. Tell all the people in prison for debt that it doesn't matter. WOW just WOW is that stupid. "Debt doesn't matter". And I guess stealing is cool too. You owe some loan shark money, just don't pay. That ALWAYS ends well.

    { {Obama spending it on things with money we don't have.}

    This has not happened, though it should.}

    Your answers get more idiotic and ignorent as you progress. Simple math here. You make $4,000 a year. And You spend $10,000 in that year. Where do you get the other $6,000 you didn't have, It HAS happened its called the Stimulus bill and Obamacare. But I guess debt doen't matter.

    {Cocaine and hookers, basically}

    That's Obama's secret service your talking about! You leave hard working agents out of this. Not to mention Romney is a Morman and he's so clean he squeaks. I guess you heard there was a scandal involving Columbian hookers in the news and just assumed it was Romney.

    {DemocratIC party, not the other}

    Democratic Party, Democrat Party, DNC (Democratic National Convention) All those names are valid.

    { {Obama has NO experiance leading anything.}

    Except the US government for three years.}

    Ya he's been runnining it into the ground for the past 3 years. Obama has failed every test he's been given as a leader. He has been one of the worst most incompetant leaders in recent memory. He IS Jimmy Carter part 2. Ya your going to have to look him up. Under the one term president section.

    { {He's never had to compromise or work for anything in life.}

    Except every job he's ever had.}

    When and where? What job? Community Organizing? Spending his day buying votes with government money in the inner city. Well ya he did have to backroom deal with Hillary to get the nomination.

    {He's always had someone else clean up his messes in life.}

    {A lie.}
    A lie because? Why? You said so? Messes like Reverand Wright? Messes like Bill Ayers? Messes like those maybe?

    {Another lie. A racist one.}

    You are 21 and live in Australia. You obviously have no idea what the term race card is. Playiing the Race Card is "You don't agree with me so your obviously a racist." "You didn't let me do this or give me that because I'm......" Yes ANYONE that disagrees with Obama is automatically a racist. I guess Joe Biden is a racist because he disagreed with Obama in the primary.
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  • Lt. Fred Blackwi... 2012/05/08 03:27:50
    Lt. Fred
    {Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party}.
    {If they weren't socalists they would call themselves something else.}

    Just like African dictatorships. If they weren't a Republic, they wouldn't call themselves that.

    {France is a socialist democracy. Socialist ideasoriginated there. Marxism sprung from Socialism.}

    This is just silly and wrong.

    {Then what do you call China?}

    Capitalist.

    {What do you call Saddam's Iraq}

    Capitalist.

    {try to rediefine it as something else.}

    Like the actual teachings of Marx.

    {There are varying degrees of socialism.}

    Nonsense.

    {Capitalism is a free economy that is open to any either private or government. Capitalism is Laissez-Faire where companys trade freely with little or no government involvement. Fuedalism isn't a private economy its a psuedo-slave economy. Its a primative private economy.}

    The chief difference between capitalism and feudalism is the size of government. Capitalist governments are far larger, regulate far more, spend much more money.

    {Greece may be the weakest welfare state in europe but its a socialist one when compared to the US economy.}

    The US economy is indeed an aberration.

    {Anywhere in europe where students or workers are rioting for their endless list of entitlements.}

    Like 'pay'.

    {Anyone who gets a endless supply of welfare...

























































































































    {Hollande is not a socialist, despite the name of his party}.
    {If they weren't socalists they would call themselves something else.}

    Just like African dictatorships. If they weren't a Republic, they wouldn't call themselves that.

    {France is a socialist democracy. Socialist ideasoriginated there. Marxism sprung from Socialism.}

    This is just silly and wrong.

    {Then what do you call China?}

    Capitalist.

    {What do you call Saddam's Iraq}

    Capitalist.

    {try to rediefine it as something else.}

    Like the actual teachings of Marx.

    {There are varying degrees of socialism.}

    Nonsense.

    {Capitalism is a free economy that is open to any either private or government. Capitalism is Laissez-Faire where companys trade freely with little or no government involvement. Fuedalism isn't a private economy its a psuedo-slave economy. Its a primative private economy.}

    The chief difference between capitalism and feudalism is the size of government. Capitalist governments are far larger, regulate far more, spend much more money.

    {Greece may be the weakest welfare state in europe but its a socialist one when compared to the US economy.}

    The US economy is indeed an aberration.

    {Anywhere in europe where students or workers are rioting for their endless list of entitlements.}

    Like 'pay'.

    {Anyone who gets a endless supply of welfare checks IS part of that class.}

    A wage is now a welfare cheque.

    {The welfare state encourages laziness}

    Austerity encourages laziness. Austere economies have much higher unemployment. The people are protesting that.

    {Austerity creates jobs}

    A theory that exists in contrast to the facts.

    {"Now that we are paying half the taxes we were last year we can now afford to create an office in sectors X and Y".}

    Austerity often raises taxes.

    {You didn't see the complete 180 the US economy made in the 1980s from the Jimmy Carter recession to the Reagan booming economy.}

    To the Reagen recession (1982).

    {Labor party agendas will get passed wether the PM is a Tory or not.}

    The Tories dominate the UK government. They have been allowed to do whatever they like, and it has failed.

    {The PM is not the only cog in government that makes decisions.}

    The decisions he made failed.

    {WOW again you have NO idea what your talking about. If it wasn't for people like Thatcher the UK would have sunk in the 80s or 90s.}

    Wrong.

    {Not to mention you might be speaking Russian right now.}

    Wrong.

    {And if wasn't for people like Churchill you'd DEFINATLY be speaking German!}

    Churchill's role has been overstated, heavily.

    {You obviously have NO idea what a recession is becausethis is your first one. Recessions come and go.}

    So they don't matter?

    Recession is basically the worst thing that can happen to an economy. Mass unemployment, slow growth, ect.

    {They are cause by wreckless spending especially spending money you don't have or giving out loans to people that could never pay them back.}

    False. They are caused by a collapse in private spending.

    {The recession IS a huge problem but not THE problem. Because they come and go in cycles.}

    And the chief goal of the government should be to smooth or end the business cycle.

    {"Austerity doesn't work." Tell that to Reagan and Thatcher who saved thier economies with it.}

    That's simply not true. Reagen caused a temporary boom with low interest rates (ie government stimulus).

    {WOW thats just ignorence and stupidity right there. Why Do Today What You Can Put Off Until Tomorrow.}

    Do Not Ignore the Extremely Serious Problem Facing You Today Because of a Potential Less Severe Problem Tomorrow.

    {Second Obama has spent more in 3 years than all 43 US presidents combined.}

    A straight up lie.

    {Obamacare is a corrupt unpopular bill signed in the dark of night without anyone really reading it. Its designed to tax and regulate insurance companies out of business.}

    A lie.

    {The so called "Stimulus" plan was nothing more than a slush fund and a blank check for any democrat in congress or senate.}

    Straight up lie.

    {It was ALREADY too big and did nothing for the economy.}

    Objectively wrong.

    {Tell all the people in prison for debt that it doesn't matter.}

    Debt imprisonment has been illegal for nearly a century.

    {"Debt doesn't matter". And I guess stealing is cool too.}

    More specifically, the short-term debt direction of the US federal government matters less than mass unemployment.

    {It HAS happened its called the Stimulus bill and Obamacare.}

    Please stop lying. The Obama health insurance bill does not cost money.

    The stimulus bill is exactly the kind of spending the government had a responsibility to do, but didn't (much).

    {Democratic Party, Democrat Party, DNC (Democratic National Convention) All those names are valid.}

    Incorrect. Democratic party is correct, any other name for the party is false.

    {Ya he's been runnining it into the ground for the past 3 years.}

    Wrong.

    {Obama has failed every test he's been given as a leader.}

    Wrong.

    {He has been one of the worst most incompetant leaders in recent memory.}

    Wrong.

    {He IS Jimmy Carter part 2.}

    Carter was quite a good president.

    {Community Organizing?}

    An extremely important job. But Obama also worked at Harvard law for decades.

    {A lie because?}

    you have no basis for your claim.

    {Yes ANYONE that disagrees with Obama is automatically a racist.}

    Anyone who criticises a black man using a racial stereotype is a racist. Like you.
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  • Blackwi... Lt. Fred 2012/05/08 22:59:55
    BlackwinterG36C
    Its been a nice fun debate but you have already shown your gross ignorence and stupidity enough with the statement-
    "Carter was quite a good president."

    You obviously have no idea what your talking about if you believe that fact. Not to mention your blind devotion to the God-King Obama who is truly the Messiah promised by Keith Oberman. Its been fun but your just another dumb 21yr thats been drinkin the kool aid. I guess I'll see you on wall street with your sign sometime.
  • Lt. Fred Blackwi... 2012/05/09 00:55:20
    Lt. Fred
    {Its been a nice fun debate but you have already shown your gross ignorence and stupidity enough with the statement-
    "Carter was quite a good president."}

    Republican propaganda aside, Carter was far less corrupt or incompetent than his immediate predecessors or successors.
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/19 03:00:09
    Chokmah
    What a doofus!
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/19 08:52:39
    Lt. Fred
    Indeed. Romney is a doofus.
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/19 14:15:54
    Chokmah
    Yes you are.. anyone who supports Obama is a doofus.
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/19 21:45:50
    Lt. Fred
    Obama's been pretty good, if you look closely.
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/20 01:52:45
    Chokmah
    I looked closely and I found out Obama has exploded the budget deficit, continued aggressive imperial wars, introduced a culture of corruption in Washington, DC, and become the Food Stamp and Disability President all the while adding $6 TRILLION to our National Debt and throwing minorities in America into double digit unemployment.

    Oppression
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/20 02:09:16
    Lt. Fred
    {Obama has exploded the budget deficit}

    Look closer. Has Obama really created large new spending programs or tax cuts? When? Or has the deficit increased because regardless of government policy, due to some sort of recession you seem not to have noticed? (A recession causes mass unemployment which leads to lower tax revenues, leading to a greatly increased deficit).

    {continued aggressive imperial wars,}

    Congratulations! A legitimate, not-at-all-dishonest complaint!

    {introduced a culture of corruption in Washington,}

    Are you serious? Introduced? Corruption has never, ever existed in Washington before January 1 2009, of course. Jack Abramoff, et all- imaginary.

    {become the Food Stamp and Disability President}

    What does this mean? Did Obama cause the Bush Recession?

    {throwing minorities in America into double digit unemployment. }

    Throwing? So Obama decided that unemployment would greatly increase starting mid 2008? How? Time travel? Isn't it more reasonable to say that some sort of recession might have caused that, rather than alien technology?
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/20 02:20:37
    Chokmah
    The Obama Recession is threatening to turn into the Obama Greatest Depression.. and it will be far worse than FDR's Great Depression. Big Govt doesn't work. Centralized Planning doesn't work. Socialism is a failure, just look at Europe, Bolshevik Russia, and Mao's China.

    Every other nation on Earth is getting the message, but now we have Obama, Red Harry Reid, and Nasty Pelosi trying their damndest to ruin this once proud Republic.
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/20 02:26:07
    Lt. Fred
    {The Obama Recession}

    How did Obama caused the Recession (which started mid 2008)? Time travel? How did Bush not cause it? He was president at the time, and for the previous 7.5 years.

    {it will be far worse than FDR's Great Depression.}

    Unemployment rate 8.6%. Great Depression unemployment 33%.

    {Socialism is a failure, just look at Europe,}

    Do you know what socialism is?
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/20 02:38:58 (edited)
    Chokmah
    Obama Unemployment 24%
    (when figured the same way FDRs Unemployment was figured)

    Obama announced recession was over in June, 2009
    (Why do we still have double digit unemployment? why no jobs?)

    Greece, Italy, France, the entire Euroland on the edge of abyss?
    (Do you know what Big Govt Socialism is? The Welfare State?)

    California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey face austerity?
    (Why does big, liberal welfare state and big union states fail?)
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/20 02:43:34
    Lt. Fred
    {(Why do we still have double digit unemployment? why no jobs?)}

    Obama has not been allowed to act. Aside from a single limited stimulus bill three years ago (which significantly reduced unemployment), nothing has been done because Congress has not wanted anything to be done.

    {Greece, Italy, France, the entire Euroland on the edge of abyss?}

    Do you know why?

    (Note: France is not having major problems).

    {(Do you know what Big Govt Socialism is? The Welfare State?)}

    The welfare state isn't socialist.
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/20 03:09:01
    Chokmah
    Red Harry Reid refuses to bring jobs bills to the Senate floor.
    (... do you know why?)

    Greece, Italy, France, etc on the edge of an abyss.
    (... do you know why?)

    France has elected a big Socialist.. why?
    (Francois Hollande)

    Welfare is paid out by Big Govt.
    (Do you know what Socialism is?)
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/20 03:19:11
    Lt. Fred
    {Red Harry Reid refuses to bring jobs bills to the Senate floor.}

    This is not correct. Obama's jobs bill was rejected by Republicans who threatened a fillibuster. Obama then proposed each individual section of the bill, all rejected by the Republicans.

    {Greece, Italy, France, etc on the edge of an abyss.
    (... do you know why?)}

    Yes. Largely due to trade imbalances within Europe caused by Germany. Also incompetence at the ECB.

    {France has elected a big Socialist.. why?}

    Hollande is not a socialist, nor is his party, despite their name.

    {Welfare is paid out by Big Govt.
    (Do you know what Socialism is?)}

    Socialism is an ideology that claims capitalism will ultimately cause a revolution against it by the working class, who it exploits. This will lead to the destruction of the market, banks, control of industry by employees, ect. Ultimately, it will lead to the destruction of the government, also.
  • Chokmah Lt. Fred 2012/07/20 03:59:18
  • Lt. Fred Chokmah 2012/07/20 04:07:34
    Lt. Fred
    Can you give me an argument in your own words rather than someone else's?
  • Idiot repubs 2012/05/03 02:50:57
    No
    Idiot repubs
    +6
    The man is clueless.
  • Ozymandias 2012/05/03 02:44:35
  • Lady Wh... Ozymandias 2012/05/03 09:51:39
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    AGREED!
  • Ashley 2012/05/03 02:37:42
    Yes
    Ashley
    +1
    Better than 4 more years of Pres Obama
  • Lt. Fred Ashley 2012/05/03 08:20:03
    Lt. Fred
    +2
    I doubt it.
  • wtw 2012/05/03 02:30:28
    Yes
    wtw
    Guarantee the economy will spring back if Romney wins. It will flounder and go further into recession with Obama and the increasing debt as well as inability to stand up to special interest and actually work with congress to get things done! He is hyper partisan and lacks leadership skills. Small business is where the middle class is and Obama wants to tax them more--great idea? I think not!
  • Idiot r... wtw 2012/05/03 02:51:39
    Idiot repubs
    +4
    It is already springing back, even with the GOP holding it hostage.
  • Lady Wh... Idiot r... 2012/05/03 09:51:54
    Lady Whitewolf
    true
  • Lt. Fred wtw 2012/05/03 08:20:38
    Lt. Fred
    Reducing the debt would cause a recession, as in Britain.
  • KCurtis 2012/05/03 02:19:32
    Yes
    KCurtis
    And it will actually thrive just all the other periods when fiscal conservatives ran the country.
  • Jimbo KCurtis 2012/05/03 07:33:59 (edited)
    Jimbo
    Don't let the fact get in the way of your fantasies.

    fantasies

    http://arts.bev.net/roperldav...
  • KCurtis Jimbo 2012/05/03 10:11:39
    KCurtis
    One academic, probably a Democrat, on an obscure website has a long way to go to make a fact.
  • Chokmah KCurtis 2012/07/19 03:01:34 (edited)
    Chokmah
    +1
    Some far left lib whacko playing with crayons! LOLOLOL

    obama lying with graphs
  • jim 2012/05/03 02:09:13
    Yes
    jim
    +1
    Well, it's been proven beyond any doubt that not only the middle class but also the entire country cannot survive another four years of a Hussein Obama presidency so we have nothing to lose with Romney.
  • Lt. Fred jim 2012/05/03 08:21:04
    Lt. Fred
    Beyond any doubt? I think you may be making things up.
  • jim Lt. Fred 2012/05/03 11:02:49
    jim
    Only if you ignore facts
  • Lt. Fred jim 2012/05/03 11:44:38
    Lt. Fred
    The economy is gradually recovering. Obama has largely- though not fully- prevented austerity in the US. But the debt isn't high enough for a quick recovery.
  • jim Lt. Fred 2012/05/03 15:16:31
    jim
    Obama has avoided austerity so far in the US because he does not have a clue. This is a guy who has skated through life having things handed to him as a result of our racist affirmative action policies. He's never held a real job. He is so far in over his head that, if it wasn't so serious, it would be hysterically funny.
    He thinks by just printing more currency we will be able to spend our way out of this problem or at least put off the reckoning time until he is out of office.
    The absolute lunacy is that this country is financially bankrupt and his solution is to borrow more money and go deeper in debt. If a private citizen did that, they would be thrown into jail for committing fraud.
    When you say "the debt isn't high enough for a quick recovery", it makes me think that you're high enough- too high, in fact.
  • Lt. Fred jim 2012/05/04 00:54:25
    Lt. Fred
    {Obama has avoided austerity so far in the US because he does not have a clue.}

    That sentence makes no sense. Obama chose to ignore the Republicans who called for austerity- instead, he largely prevented austerity at the federal level (though there have been severe, inappropriate cutbacks at the state level). This allowed the US economy to gradually recover.

    {This is a guy who has skated through life having things handed to him as a result of our racist affirmative action policies.}

    So you're a racist, are you? Interesting.

    {He's never held a real job.}

    A lie.

    {He is so far in over his head that, if it wasn't so serious, it would be hysterically funny.}

    Propaganda.

    {He thinks by just printing more currency}

    Absolutely. Printing currency during a disinflationary economy is entirely appropriate.

    {we will be able to spend our way out of this problem}

    Unfortunately, Obama doesn't believe this. Even though it is clearly true.

    {The absolute lunacy is that this country is financially bankrupt}

    Wrong. Lowest interest rates on long-term bonds ever.

    {If a private citizen did that, they would be thrown into jail for committing fraud.}

    The government doesn't act like a citizen.
  • jim Lt. Fred 2012/05/04 11:25:55
    jim
    Your ignorance of fundamental economics is breathtaking. "Printing currency during a disinflationary economy is entirely appropriate"- check your history as well as your economics. Start with Weimar Garmany and see how well it worked there.
    Don't understand your comment about racist. The US Constitution states unequivocally that there can be no discrimination based on race, color or creed. Obama has acknowledged (while sealing his transcripts) that he went to Ivy League colleges thanks to affirmative action quotas. That means he went there because of his race, not his adademic achievement.
    Affirmative action is government sponsored racism- no matter how much you try to parse your way through it- people are given preferences because of race while others are denied opportunities because of race.
    The only comment you make that I agree with is that the government doesn't act like a citizen. No question about that but your comment is non-responsive to my point. Having said that, the government may be, short of an actual revolution, irretrievably corrupt.
    It passes laws that place burdens on the ordinary citizens but makes sure they exempt themselves. They have voted themselves better compensation, better benefits, and more amenities than the ordinary person.
    These are the people making policy descisions for the country which, then, explains why this country is in such a mess.

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