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Can Science and Religion Work Together?

Mitzie 2008/08/12 22:38:37
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Science and religion have been at war because they are completely against eachother on the belief system. But is there a possible way they could work together?
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  • King Cnut 2010/05/13 21:14:14
    Yes
    King Cnut
    +1
    It CAN, but only if religion does not interfere with science. A philosophical interpretation of holy texts is also required - science cannot disprove the existence of God, but it is wholly incompatible with a rigid literal interpretation of millienia old texts.
  • seathanaich 2010/02/18 00:02:37
    No
    seathanaich
    +2
    No. Science kills off religion, by degrees, and then completely.

    Of course, that doesn't prevent people from utilising both, as society transitions from being almost completely religious a few centuries ago to its eventual state, where in the future the religious will be a small minority. Until then, every person uses science every day in thousands of ways, no matter how religious they are. Cheers.
  • ImgonaluvAztroBoi4eva 2010/02/15 03:54:37 (edited)
    No
    ImgonaluvAztroBoi4eva
    +1
    The two have existed on earth for centuries with people in pursuit of one or both. So I don't think it's a relative, comparable contest of any sort, it has nothing to do with them working together. Yet one can believe in both at the same time to a degree.
  • Psykhê 2010/02/13 16:21:24
    Yes
    Psykhê
    +3
    Certainly. While they appear to be on opposite ends of the spectrum, science and religion have been working together, hand in hand for centuries. Human beings have forever been trying to make these two seemingly unlikely-to-fit pieces fit. Perhaps one day they will.

    Some have justified the two in their own minds. That alone is enough to say that they can indeed work together.
  • hatshepsut123 2010/02/13 12:43:31
    Yes
    hatshepsut123
    +2
    yes, scince will prove things that were described in religios books.
    religious books should not be read literally, they explain complex stories with the simplest words so people could understand them. they both come to same conclusions, only their methods are different.
  • aditi 2010/02/13 06:49:00
    Yes
    aditi
    +1
    i think it can
  • Fingon Celebrindal 2010/02/13 06:11:59
    No
    Fingon Celebrindal
    +1
    One requires believing the other questioning and proving.
  • driley 2010/02/11 21:53:05
    Yes
    driley
    +1
    They got along famously for many centuries. Most of the early scientists, were Christians who set out to show how amazing God's world is.

    And they are not opposites of each other. They simply approach science from two different worldviews.

    A Naturalist attempts to come up with scenarios whereby everything came about by accident.

    The Christian attempts to show Who is the creator of science. And all that there is.
  • Disko Pickle 2010/02/08 19:34:33
    No
    Disko Pickle
    +4
    Science and religion are NOT at war with each other. They are completely and totally unrelated fields.
  • DarKGhost 2010/02/08 16:45:15
    Yes
    DarKGhost
    +1
    Science is religion.
  • POTTERRULEZ 2010/02/06 20:41:25
    Yes
    POTTERRULEZ
    +2
    they do work together
  • VICTORIA 2010/02/06 05:17:15
    Yes
    VICTORIA
    It always has with Islam.
  • Sandy 2010/02/06 04:07:56 (edited)
    Yes
    Sandy
    +1
    But you must know that God understands and uses all of science on its true level... much of our science is speculation and elementary levels of understanding which keep changing with new discoveries...
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/07 06:44:23
    sugarbuzz
    +3
    ALL of GOD is speculation, and most of science is experimentation and proofs. Theoretical science is educated speculation within the confines of what we all ready know.
    No proof of a god, only of the need for man to invent one.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/07 21:09:05 (edited)
    Sandy
    Actually the laws of thermal dynamics prove God's existence..
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/07 21:15:30
    sugarbuzz
    +3
    No, they don't.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/08 02:13:30
    Sandy
    yes they do
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/08 02:17:18
    sugarbuzz
    +3
    Being in the world of particle physics, I would love to hear your explanation.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/08 02:23:06
    Sandy
    The spiritual connection based on thermodynamics.

    1st What is thermodynamics?

    Thermodynamics is the study of energy and matter in motion.

    2nd What does energy have to do with matter?

    Energy is equal to Mass times Light Speed Squared. (ie E=MC2)

    3rd What then are the laws of thermodynamics?

    Zeroth law of thermodynamics, about thermal equilibrium:
    If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

    If we grant that all systems are (trivially) in thermal equilibrium with themselves, the Zeroth law implies that thermal equilibrium is an equivalence relation on the set of thermodynamic systems. This law is tacitly assumed in every measurement of temperature. Thus, if we want to know if two bodies are at the same temperature, it is not necessary to bring them into contact and to watch whether their observable properties change with time

    First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy:
    The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to the system and the work done on the system.

    Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy:
    The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increa...


























    The spiritual connection based on thermodynamics.

    1st What is thermodynamics?

    Thermodynamics is the study of energy and matter in motion.

    2nd What does energy have to do with matter?

    Energy is equal to Mass times Light Speed Squared. (ie E=MC2)

    3rd What then are the laws of thermodynamics?

    Zeroth law of thermodynamics, about thermal equilibrium:
    If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

    If we grant that all systems are (trivially) in thermal equilibrium with themselves, the Zeroth law implies that thermal equilibrium is an equivalence relation on the set of thermodynamic systems. This law is tacitly assumed in every measurement of temperature. Thus, if we want to know if two bodies are at the same temperature, it is not necessary to bring them into contact and to watch whether their observable properties change with time

    First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy:
    The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to the system and the work done on the system.

    Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy:
    The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value

    Third law of thermodynamics, about the absolute zero of temperature:
    As a system asymptotically approaches absolute zero of temperature all processes virtually cease and the entropy of the system asymptotically approaches a minimum value; also stated as: "the entropy of all systems and of all states of a system is zero at absolute zero" or equivalently "it is impossible to reach the absolute zero of temperature by any finite number of processes".



    4th How then in relation to these laws can we conclude there is indeed an afterlife?

    A study of these laws will let you know that in all things physical there cannot be loss nor gain.

    Two things happen then upon death.



    A. When we die there is loss of motion.

    B. When we die there is lack of intelligence.

    (B) is missing an explanation. So we are forced to conclude that there was a transference of energy.



    So whatever intelligence is; whether spirit, ghost or both! It is in this respect that we are forced to conclude that intelligence continues.



    What is beyond zero... or at zero... that can't be reached?....God...
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  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/08 19:24:49
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    Conclusion does not provide proofs.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 01:43:45 (edited)
    Sandy
    LOL.... really.. most courts of law would say you are up in the night.
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 02:33:25
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    You gave the entire Physics Dept. a good laugh...thanks.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 02:38:47
    Sandy
    Hardly... we gave this presentation here at the UVU and they were estounded and wanted to give us a position to teach...
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 02:42:03
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    Then they need to raise their standards. The Particle Physicists at O.U. and CERN are amused.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:16:34
    Sandy
    honestly... you are so unbelievable...
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 03:33:29
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    whatever....go to CERN.ch or ATLAS.ch and do your own research...that is where we spend our summers doing research.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:34:52 (edited)
    Sandy
    you can't write one little refute... yeah... what a farce... how old are you 13?
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 03:37:27
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    ah, revealed...and training post-docs...it's a talent.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:38:28
    Sandy
    farce
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:20:59
    Sandy
    could you just do one thing for me... put forth some statement with some facts... to refute intelligently what we have put forth? you have yet to put forth anything scientific what so ever... all you have done is put forth nasties... come on... let your so called prof of physics... put forth something concrete...
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 03:34:28
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    No need to, I don't think you understand elementary physics or science, and I am through wasting my time on this site only to have the resources rejected.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:35:36
    Sandy
    wow well you have shown you are an uneducated boob... 13 huh?
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 03:38:31
    sugarbuzz
    +2
    Wow, and you of such wit, that seems to be the only age group you can identify with??
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 03:40:02 (edited)
    Sandy
    more of the same shit... you have yet to come up with your own intelligent statement... I will have to report you as one who doesn't do anything but harrass... someone who lies about connections and knowledge ....you can't say one thing that has any intelligence to it...
  • Disko P... Sandy 2010/02/13 04:50:38 (edited)
    Disko Pickle
    +2
    "(B) is missing an explanation. So we are forced to conclude that there was a transference of energy. "
    --------------------

    That's an EASY one. When a person dies, the body becomes cold. The energy is transferred to the environment when the body heat leaves the corpse's body.

    Sweet Jesus, you sure wasted a lot of words on such a pathetically easy question.
  • DarKGhost sugarbuzz 2010/02/08 17:36:33 (edited)
    DarKGhost
    If any of what you said was truly founded on science__ Then you would have figured that you sound like a fool.

    Lets examine some fun facts...
    Einstein said "it is theory that decides what can be studied." This is true..
    Whenever some ass concludes theoretically that something happens because something else caused it to without knowing what or how.(Big Pieces Missing) Then it is taken by all to be the "Gospel Truth". Blind science is a party favor of today. Hell we have evolutionists claiming that adaptation is a form of evolution by far not. I would really love to see two things in life before I die. One a fish coming out on to land and produce an gaseous oxygen tolerant offspring__ and two I would like to see a scale change to a feather.

    Hahaha Particle Physics wow your in the world alright not a damn clue. If you ever even had thought as to what you wrote you wouldn't be so cross with what you say. I doubt CERN and the LHC were created to prove laws. hahaha. Ok so you did particle physics what are the 16 base particles that make up matter? Heres a good Google search term so you can make it sound like you know.. They are better known in collection as "The Standard Model" and for the million dollar question__ What does the Higgs Boson particle stand to prove with its existence sa...









    If any of what you said was truly founded on science__ Then you would have figured that you sound like a fool.

    Lets examine some fun facts...
    Einstein said "it is theory that decides what can be studied." This is true..
    Whenever some ass concludes theoretically that something happens because something else caused it to without knowing what or how.(Big Pieces Missing) Then it is taken by all to be the "Gospel Truth". Blind science is a party favor of today. Hell we have evolutionists claiming that adaptation is a form of evolution by far not. I would really love to see two things in life before I die. One a fish coming out on to land and produce an gaseous oxygen tolerant offspring__ and two I would like to see a scale change to a feather.

    Hahaha Particle Physics wow your in the world alright not a damn clue. If you ever even had thought as to what you wrote you wouldn't be so cross with what you say. I doubt CERN and the LHC were created to prove laws. hahaha. Ok so you did particle physics what are the 16 base particles that make up matter? Heres a good Google search term so you can make it sound like you know.. They are better known in collection as "The Standard Model" and for the million dollar question__ What does the Higgs Boson particle stand to prove with its existence save they find it?

    if I separated the antimatter half of a hydrogen atom from that of its real world counterpart "the matter"_Then flew to the other-side of the universe and shocked the antimatter half with a joule of electric current what if anything would happen to the other half?

    Its elemental my dear Watson_ your brain is on drugs...

    OK one that is fairly unknown to the general world populous

    What did they conclude before they fired up the LHC to conduct their experiments__ and what did Steven Hawking provide as a remedial evidence that put them at ease to go ahead with their experimentation in the LHC?

    Hahahah Particle Physics....
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  • sugarbuzz DarKGhost 2010/02/08 19:26:51
    sugarbuzz
    +1
    Haha, you are an idiot.
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 01:46:37
    Sandy
    I believe you are speaking from an empty bucket... give us something of validity.. unless we are to concede that you are from darwin's ape...
  • sugarbuzz Sandy 2010/02/09 02:37:22
    sugarbuzz
    +1
    Thank you for entertaining the entire Univ. Physics Dept. They pretty much said they couldn't come up with a more accurate response, and idiot pretty much covers it. entertaining univ physics dept pretty accurate response idiot pretty covers
  • Sandy sugarbuzz 2010/02/09 02:39:32
    Sandy
    Only made up stuff like yours gets real laughs darlin...

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