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Can Ron Paul supporters accept Gary Johnson?

Adakin Valorem 2012/05/16 00:09:08


By Thomas Mullen



TAMPA, May 15, 2012 — Ron Paul’s announcement today that he will “no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted” may finally have some of his supporters considering the possibility that he will not be the Republican Party’s nominee. That may be overly pessimistic considering that Paul also stated that he will continue to pursue his delegate strategy, which has been far more successful than his quest for a primary win.

However, even the most ardent supporter may find it prudent to have a “Plan B,” especially in states where the rules on write-in candidates are onerous. There is one man who believes he’s wide open in the Plan B end zone. He’s former Governor of New Mexico Gary Johnson.


Johnson secured the Libertarian Party’s nomination for president at its national convention last Saturday in Las Vegas, winning over 70% of the delegate votes.


Johnson supports Ron Paul, but doesn’t think Paul will win the Republican nomination. He wants Ron Paul supporters to know that he represents an opportunity to vote for a lot of the things they believe in.


“Ron Paul has always been about a message and so have I and it’s the same message. It’s about liberty and it’s about freedom, first and foremost, and when Dr. Paul’s candidacy comes to an end, there’s a viable alternative and I don’t think it’s a handicapped choice. I think it’s reloading. There’s no concession.”


So, do Paul supporters have to compromise to vote for Johnson?


Not on most policy positions. Paul proposes to cut $1 trillion in spending during his first year as president. Johnson sees him and raises him, promising to submit a balanced budget in his first year. That would require over $1.4 trillion in spending cuts.


“The biggest ingredient in being able to do that is going to be a balanced approach at what does need to be cut,” says Johnson. “That’s going to mean Medicaid, Medicare and military spending for starters. You’re not going to get it by eliminating the Department of Education. I think that’s something that should be eliminated completely, but it’s got to be a balanced approach, a look at entitlements and military spending and when somebody falls off their chair because they hear about a 43% reduction in Medicare spending, I’m going to make the argument that better to have healthcare for those that are truly in need and over 65 as opposed to no healthcare at all, which is what we’re looking at if we continue to spend 43 cents of every dollar borrowed or printed. That’s not sustainable.”


Johnson will also eliminate three federal departments.


“Homeland Security being incredibly redundant, Housing and Urban Development having long outlived its arguable benefit, and then Education. The notion that each state receives 11 cents out of every dollar that it spends on education from the federal government, but it comes with 16 cents worth of strings attached. I don’t think everyone recognizes that it’s a negative to take federal education dollars. It was established in 1979. Return education to the states. Fifty laboratories of innovation and best practice and I’m going to argue that’s exactly what we’ll see.”


Johnson’s approach is definitely utilitarian. He is John Stuart Mill to Ron Paul’s Thomas Jefferson or John Locke. Where Paul relies on the natural law of non-aggression, Johnson employs a “cost-benefit analysis.”


Obviously, the two candidates take different paths to arrive at many of the same answers, but there are differences. One is foreign policy.


While Johnson promotes a “non-interventionist” foreign policy, he adds the caveat that it not be “isolationist.” For him, that means humanitarian military missions are not out of the question. These might include eliminating Joseph Kony in Uganda or stopping a further outbreak of violence in Darfur.


However, the Libertarian Party platform says that the “United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world.” Isn’t defending citizens in other countries being a “policeman of the world?” Johnson replies:


“I don’t think any of us in this country want to stand by and watch the Holocaust occur again. And when I found out about the Lord’s Resistance Army and that arguably this was the worst terrorist group on the planet for the last twenty years, that they are a finite group of about 300 and that they are directly responsible for tens of thousands of rapes, murders and mutilations, the three countries in which this group was terrorizing asked us for our help, Congress gave its authorization and the president signed off on that. I think the “i’s” are dotted, the “t’s” are crossed, and looking at it from my vantage point, this is preventing a further holocaust."


That’s certainly not an unfamiliar perspective, nor difficult to sympathize with. However, it does raise several questions. Where is the limit on humanitarian missions? Can the U.S. taxpayer be held financially responsible for the security of everyone on the planet? For strict libertarians, the U.S. military can only be used against nations that attacked U.S. citizens. Once that limit is removed, where does it end?


The utilitarian approach is fraught with these types of problems. Once you abandon the natural law premise, there is the danger that you will inadvertently justify a whole lot more government. Johnson’s ideas about foreign policy are the most cause for concern for Paul supporters, but there are others.


However, with a $4 trillion federal budget a virtual certainty with either Obama or Romney, Paul supporters don't have much to lose if Johnson is their only other choice. Do any of us?


Tom Mullen is the author of A Return to Common Sense: Reawakening Liberty in the Inhabitants of America.



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  • voice_matters 2012/05/17 16:01:25
    voice_matters
    ron paul supporters do not need to vote for anyone
  • Bob D 2012/05/17 01:46:48
    Bob D
    Ron Johnson is no perpetual war advocate now but then again neither was Bush II or Obama. But none of those three politicians have the integrety of Ron Paul and we saw Bush and Obama surrender to the neocons when push came to shove. I have not doubt that this Johnson guy has no guts either and would be turned by the neo's. No I'll vote constitution party or some other true non-interventionist, not mealy mouth Ron Johnson.
  • Adakin ... Bob D 2012/05/17 15:16:44 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    "But none of those three politicians have the integrity of Ron Paul..." Can you provide support or citation for your statement? Thanks AV

    BTW - Who is "RON" Johnson?

    Have you looked at Governor "GARY" Johnson's record as governor for two terms of New Mexico? Please elaborate, as inquiring minds want to know. Unlike Dr. Paul, two term Governor Gary Johnson has executive experience in addition to legislative experience in addition to business experience as he created a one-man contracting firm and grew that business into a multi-state enterprise with over 1100 employees. In addition, his LP Running Mate is a former Judge. Jim Gray is a former appellate court judge from California and is well versed on our judicial system and it consistent constitutional violations. Please scroll down and view Judge Grey's comments on our drug laws and what it costs us and who actually benefits from them.
  • Bob D Adakin ... 2012/06/01 13:49:19
    Bob D
    Adakin,

    I am listening only to what comes out of Gary Johnson's own mouth on foreign policy. In spite of the fact that you seem very knowledgable about his record, I noticed how you chose to ignore foreign policy in your discussion of him. This in spite of the fact that it was the main thrust of my criticism.

    Gary Johnson is mealy-mouthed when it comes to foreign policy and perpetual war/occupation issues. And he could easily be turned by the neocons. Compare his rhetoric to a similar businessman turned governor W Bush in 2000 and W comes off as the stronger non-interventionist. And look how that turned out. If you are OK with that by all means support your man. His domestic qualifications appear to be flawless.

    But it is foreign policy that is destroying us. Forget the morality and blowback issues. Money wasted domestically is money down a rathole. Regrettable, but some of it returns to us by being spent in our economy. Money spent on foreign wars, occupation and on our maimed or even slightly disabled returning veterans is money down a black hole. And unlike the wars of the past, it is never-ending. My math computes the direct cost as a 5 trillion dollar and counting. Without that draining our economy, we would not be in a recession.

    At least Obama shows some restrai...
    Adakin,

    I am listening only to what comes out of Gary Johnson's own mouth on foreign policy. In spite of the fact that you seem very knowledgable about his record, I noticed how you chose to ignore foreign policy in your discussion of him. This in spite of the fact that it was the main thrust of my criticism.

    Gary Johnson is mealy-mouthed when it comes to foreign policy and perpetual war/occupation issues. And he could easily be turned by the neocons. Compare his rhetoric to a similar businessman turned governor W Bush in 2000 and W comes off as the stronger non-interventionist. And look how that turned out. If you are OK with that by all means support your man. His domestic qualifications appear to be flawless.

    But it is foreign policy that is destroying us. Forget the morality and blowback issues. Money wasted domestically is money down a rathole. Regrettable, but some of it returns to us by being spent in our economy. Money spent on foreign wars, occupation and on our maimed or even slightly disabled returning veterans is money down a black hole. And unlike the wars of the past, it is never-ending. My math computes the direct cost as a 5 trillion dollar and counting. Without that draining our economy, we would not be in a recession.

    At least Obama shows some restraint. Mitt promises to double down on neocon policies. And one of them will win. All our vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson will do is send a message. That message should not be tainted by a man with a hole in his guts.
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  • *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg' 2012/05/16 02:08:53
    *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg'
    Sorry, no. Maybe. MAYBE! Maybe if Paul is his VP. But it looks like it is too late.
  • Adakin ... *K'eim*... 2012/05/16 21:38:07
    Adakin Valorem
    What viable differences to you see between Paul and Johnson? What policies or issues are different?
  • *K'eim*... Adakin ... 2012/05/17 00:08:03 (edited)
    *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg'
    Please correct me if I am wrong or confused about any of these. I do like Johnson and I don't want to misrepresent him.

    Gary Johnson
    Fair Tax, Revenue Neutral/Increases
    Some Humanitarian Interventionism
    More Efficient Government
    Managed Trade
    Decriminalize Marijuana, Tax it
    Pro-choice, but States Rights
    Utilitarian
    Audit the Fed (Maybe End it)

    Ron Paul
    Cut Taxes, Revenue, and Spending
    Noninterventionism
    Less Government, Period
    Free Trade
    Decriminalize all Drugs
    Pro-life but States Rights
    Deontological, Constitutional
    End the Fed
  • Adakin ... *K'eim*... 2012/05/17 00:16:09
    Adakin Valorem
    +1
    Thanks for the thoughtful reply! AV
  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/05/16 01:18:24
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    Johnson / Paul team?

    It's really all Ron Paul has left, being V.P. isn't all that bad...
  • Adakin ... John Ga... 2012/05/16 01:33:35 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    Governor Johnson / Judge Jim Gray are the POTUS and VPOTUS candidates for the LP.
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/0...
    Former two-term New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson will be the Libertarian Party's 2012 presidential nominee, and former judge James "Jim" Gray will be his running mate.

    Gray beat out Lee Wrights and one other candidate for the vice presidential nomination.

    Gray, a former Orange County Superior Court Judge who ran against Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) as a Libertarian in 2004, announced his candidacy last week. Shortly after, Johnson expressed his preference to have Gray as his running mate if he won the presidential nomination.

    “The process all along has been to find somebody that can articulate libertarian ideals and beliefs and I’ve thought all along that [Gray] would be a really solid pick,” Johnson told Reason last week. “He’s been through the fire and he will be one heartbeat from the presidency and I think he would be very capable of that."

    Gray is a leading critic of the war on drugs, and supported California's Prop 19. You can watch him below talk to Reason.tv about groups that benefit from the drug war.

  • Balladeer-PWCM-POTL 2012/05/16 00:58:09
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    OF COURSE the paulpukes will flock to the LegalWeed pdarty...anything to help obama get a second term
  • Adakin ... Ballade... 2012/05/16 01:11:49
    Adakin Valorem
    They will also flock to the "Balanced Budget" party, the "Smaller Gov't" party and the "Live within your Means" Party, flocking to the same guy that would cut costs from drug criminalization to drug rehabilitation. In a world of multi-trillion dollar deficits, you gotta choose your costs and balance them with the benefits.

    There are thousands of people being killed just across our border to the south. That violence is spilling over into the U.S. The quickest way to eliminate that entire problem is to allow legal pharmacy companies to grow and manufacture the products that people want to buy and restrict them with reasonable legislation and requirements.

    Just as no one sells Budweiser to kids at schools, it would reduce the profit incentive for the entire industry to ply their trade on our youth. While Barry reduces the purchasing power of the bucks in your pocket.

    The "Paulistas" would advocate backing our nation's currency with gold and/or silver, thereby making our money sound again. $10,000 on January 2009 would buy 5,555 gallons of gas and 11.7oz of gold. Today, that same $10,000 buys 2,600 gallons of gas and only 6.8oz of gold. Obama's monetary policy is stealing your purchasing power right under your nose. The worst part is that he is moving our seniors and retiree...

    They will also flock to the "Balanced Budget" party, the "Smaller Gov't" party and the "Live within your Means" Party, flocking to the same guy that would cut costs from drug criminalization to drug rehabilitation. In a world of multi-trillion dollar deficits, you gotta choose your costs and balance them with the benefits.

    There are thousands of people being killed just across our border to the south. That violence is spilling over into the U.S. The quickest way to eliminate that entire problem is to allow legal pharmacy companies to grow and manufacture the products that people want to buy and restrict them with reasonable legislation and requirements.

    Just as no one sells Budweiser to kids at schools, it would reduce the profit incentive for the entire industry to ply their trade on our youth. While Barry reduces the purchasing power of the bucks in your pocket.

    The "Paulistas" would advocate backing our nation's currency with gold and/or silver, thereby making our money sound again. $10,000 on January 2009 would buy 5,555 gallons of gas and 11.7oz of gold. Today, that same $10,000 buys 2,600 gallons of gas and only 6.8oz of gold. Obama's monetary policy is stealing your purchasing power right under your nose. The worst part is that he is moving our seniors and retirees into poverty as their savings can no longer provide groceries as it once did. You pay more and buy less. That's Obama's plan... and Romney hasn't address this issue at all...

    What's YOUR solution?
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  • Ballade... Adakin ... 2012/05/16 01:19:48
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    how will OBAMA do all that?...because every vote that 'flocks" (good analogy by the way) to a third party and casts a vote is casting a defacto vote for obama's reelection
  • Adakin ... Ballade... 2012/05/16 21:42:20
    Adakin Valorem
    RE: the LegalWeed Party, did you watch Judge Jim Gray's video I posted above?

    What problems would you have with Gray's advocacy? Or any of the advocacies of Johnson (i.e. reform taxes w/adoption of the FairTax, reform social security by phasing in the Chilean system for young workers, abolishing the three cabinet departments that didn't exist 30-40 years ago, term limits for congress...for example)
  • Ballade... Adakin ... 2012/05/17 00:22:10
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    because that isn't what you TRULY want...I know ; I worked the McAndrews Campaign in 76 back then the Legalweed Party referred to pot , coke, and hookers as 'victimless crimes'
  • Adakin ... Ballade... 2012/05/17 00:32:54
    Adakin Valorem
    What problems would you have with Gray's advocacy? Or any of the advocacies of Johnson (i.e. reform taxes w/adoption of the FairTax, reform social security by phasing in the Chilean system for young workers, abolishing the three cabinet departments that didn't exist 30-40 years ago, term limits for congress...for example)
  • Ballade... Adakin ... 2012/05/17 01:12:38
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    again since the weed seems to have addled the brains of Legalweed party i will , yet again ask the question...

    Name the third party..SINCE 1900 that has won the White house??

    NOW since I have encountered other paulpukes and legalweeders that wish to bring up lincoln, I will REPEAT that question



    Name the third party..SINCE 1900 that has won the White house??
  • Adakin ... Ballade... 2012/05/17 15:35:16 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    You are correct in that no 3rd party as one the WH. But in 1992, Perot was a significant influence on policies and results performed by both the Republicrats and Demopublicans during the Wet Willie Administration in that Ross Perot and his pie charts on Larry King's show focused the populace on the importance of balancing the budget. That's exactly what happened when Newt carried that msg foreward, getting Clinton to sign a budget that resulted in actual principal reduction of our nation's debt for the first time in any living person's lifetime.

    3rd parties rarely win...even in local and state elections. But they frequently influence policies and issues which benefit those who advocate solutions versus the band-aids and platitudes spued by the major party candidates that simply desire to perpetuate their power base.

    Issues matter.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" - Samuel Adams, Brewer, Beer Drinker, Patriot

    Samuel Adams Samuel Adams
  • Ballade... Adakin ... 2012/05/17 18:24:17
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    Yeah Perot gave us Clinton...TWICE...and boy was that a good thing the dead of the Cole and of our embassies...thank you ross Perot
  • Adakin ... Ballade... 2012/05/20 21:50:38
    Adakin Valorem
    Do you think that the BinLaden and his band of diaper-headed camel jockey's would not have attacked the Cole or our embassies if GHWB had been reelected?

    Do you disagree that Perot influenced the campaign discussion by turning the focus on the national debt and on deficit spending? The discussion was on those that support Paul's fiscal and economic positions could switch allegance to a 3rd party candidate that shares Paul's convictions for financial and economic proposals. In fact, Johnson created a business and grew it from one person (himself) to over 1000 people working for him. Something even Romney can't claim as Mitt hasn't to my knowledge ever did a start-up company from scratch. He would buy 'em and grow 'em...or buy 'em and sell off the assets if the core business was no longer viable and there were assets that could be turned into a higher and better use.

    Johnson, built his company from the ground up, with his own investment capital... and didn't have the millions of OPM from hedgefund investors... and Johnson didn't have a federal reserve and treasury department like Obama, to tax away money and print whatever was needed so as to pick his Solyndras and Solar Fantasies using other people's money.

    We need Johnson in the debates. We need someone to provide an alt...

    Do you think that the BinLaden and his band of diaper-headed camel jockey's would not have attacked the Cole or our embassies if GHWB had been reelected?

    Do you disagree that Perot influenced the campaign discussion by turning the focus on the national debt and on deficit spending? The discussion was on those that support Paul's fiscal and economic positions could switch allegance to a 3rd party candidate that shares Paul's convictions for financial and economic proposals. In fact, Johnson created a business and grew it from one person (himself) to over 1000 people working for him. Something even Romney can't claim as Mitt hasn't to my knowledge ever did a start-up company from scratch. He would buy 'em and grow 'em...or buy 'em and sell off the assets if the core business was no longer viable and there were assets that could be turned into a higher and better use.

    Johnson, built his company from the ground up, with his own investment capital... and didn't have the millions of OPM from hedgefund investors... and Johnson didn't have a federal reserve and treasury department like Obama, to tax away money and print whatever was needed so as to pick his Solyndras and Solar Fantasies using other people's money.

    We need Johnson in the debates. We need someone to provide an alternative to Obama's budget that NEVER balances, and Romney's adoption of the Ryan Budget that balances 35 or 40 years from now... so far out into the future that predictions are impossible.

    Johnson's budget is for here and for now. It makes REAL cuts instead of simply reducing our currently unsustainable rate of growth of spending.
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  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/05/16 00:15:13
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +2
    he is doing better than reported ;) I will not change my vote.
  • Ballade... Michael... 2012/05/16 00:58:48
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    104 delegates...that's all you have....Romney needs 174 for the nomination
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/16 00:13:48
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    It doesn't matter if it's Ron Paul, Gary Johnson or Mickey Mouse, libertarians will never win the presidency.
  • Adakin ... ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/16 00:48:21
    Adakin Valorem
    They don't have to win, Tunde. All they have to do is get 5% to 10% of the vote and the majors will usurp their platform. Look back to what Perot did in '92 when he focused the nation on the budget and deficit. It was because of that focus that Newt was able to usurp that momentum and get Slick Willie to sign a budget that ultimately resulted in a budget surplus that paid down over $400 Billion worth of debt (versus simply reducing the deficit).

    Wile "Bitt and Marrack" discuss band-aides, Johnson would introduce actual cures for what ails us. The goal is to get enough support so as to allow him on that debate stage. We both agree that the deck is stacked so that any 3rd party cannot win the election.

    Frankly, I want policies passed that help the country and can care less who is the winner.

    I'm a FairTax supporter, a Chilean Social Security paradigm advocate and a state's right to run their own educaiton system. Gary Johnson supports all of those issues and the Republicrat Twins don't!

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