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Can regulations sometimes make us LESS safe?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/10 00:13:48
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Government cannot guarantee safety and often takes away from it.

Alan Greenspan showed how. (Hat tip: Tom Dale Keever.) Gary Weiss made this scathing reply:


When Alan Greenspan spoke out against building codes, he
knew perfectly well what a lack of adequate building and fire codes
would mean. Fifteen years before his birth, 146 people, mostly young
women, were burned alive or leaped to their death from the fire at the
Triangle Waist Factory just east of Washington Square Park in New York
City. There was no requirement for employers to provide a safe
workplace, so none was provided. Triangle’s owners crammed their
employees into crowded workspaces without proper exits, and inadequate
fire codes meant that the fire stairways were insufficient. The result
was that dozens of workers’ corpses piled on the sidewalk on March 25,
1911. Anywhere in the world where building codes are inadequate or
absent, the result is always the same: Dead people.


Excuse me, Mr. Weiss, but did you truly read the article?
Greenspan clearly showed what building and fire codes have brought us.
He didn’t even talk about the building that an inspector wouldn’t let
someone build, because that building, while it might be safe enough,
wasn’t “up to code.” Instead, Greenspan talked about the developer, the
architect, and the contractor who cares only about “building to code” and cares nothing about building better than “to code.”


Here is how the Ayn Rand world works—and indeed how the real
world works. Any business operator, or professional, must build a
reputation to get clients. That is how he makes people trust him. What
developer would hire an architect who designed a building that would
burn up under an electric load that the people in the building might put
on it? Who would live, work, or shop in such a building? Building that
kind of trust takes time. And once someone has that trust, he can lose it with one mistake. In the Ayn Rand world, that kind of trust would be all
that architect (or that developer) had. Lose that, and you cannot
excuse yourself by saying, “But I built it up to code!” What code? The
best code in the world is: your word is your bond. That includes words
that go without saying. Like, “My buildings don’t burn.” And a fully
free market would simply not forgive someone who said that a building
would not burn, when it did.


But in the world where governments regulate everything, the same
rules that governments make and enforce become crutches. People work
barely well enough to satisfy the rules. But what if the rules aren’t enough?
Too bad. The hapless person who suffered bad burns in the fire, or more
likely those who survive him, have no case. As long as the architect
and the contractors worked “up to code,” the law often can’t touch them.


Things get worse when the people whom the government sends to inspect
a new project, take bribes to sign off on a project when it isn’t “up to code.” If those who work for Underwriters’ Laboratories
took bribes like that, UL wouldn’t stay in business for very long.
Private inspectors also have their reputations to build and keep.
Government inspectors don’t. Indeed, government inspectors already have a reputation for taking bribes, or simply “shaking down” developers whose buildings are up to code after all. So who can really tell how safe anything is?

To read more, including two chilling hypotheticals, click through to the article.

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/10 00:21:26
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +9
    Here's a tragedy I didn't mention in the article: the Air Florida disaster. A Boeing 737 took off out of Washington National Airport on a cold, icy day. She took off with ice on the wings. The copilot kept trying to tell the captain that something was wrong, and would they please stop and de-ice. The captain said, "It satisfies the feds."

    As soon as they took off, the whole plane shook from nose to tail. And as everyone knows, it went down into the Potomac. Only five people survived.

    Commercial aviation is one of the most heavily regulated industries known to man. Did that save those people? Those regulations turned into a crutch. Without that crutch, maybe that captain would have paid more attention to the bad weather. Maybe the airline would have insisted that its captains pay better attention--because if they lost a plane, they'd have only themselves to blame, and no one could say, "But we worked up to code."

    "Good enough for government work" is not good enough. And maybe without that crutch, everybody would seek to be the best at what they do.

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  • Lee 2012/08/23 17:03:04 (edited)
    Undecided
    Lee
    +1
    Not all regulations are good regulations, even if they seem to be at first.

    When a regulation is found to be less than desirable, it should be removed.

    That is only good sense.

    Good governance is an application of good sense.
  • freebirdie 2012/06/13 15:32:32
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    freebirdie
    +1
    I think it depends on what you are regulating and why. Everyone can agree that there is some regulation in certain industries that are needed.
  • shadow76 2012/06/13 14:46:26
    Undecided
    shadow76
    +2
    Too much regulation makes Govt the enemy you are not safe from!
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/06/12 21:44:36
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    More of anything the govt does is messed up.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/06/12 21:00:59
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    There are millions of regulations! It's so difficult if you're trying to make a living and you're held up at various points along the way because of 'regulations' and inspections.

    If I was younger I would move to the most remote area in the US and just live my life without the government! I'm beginning to hate government with a passion.
  • SunShine 2012/06/10 17:09:07
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    SunShine
    +2
    good post my friend.. reminds me of the unsinkable Titanic!!!
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/06/10 12:33:06
    Undecided
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +3
    I think that Building Codes should refer only to a "minimum" standard, not be the deffinition of ceiling. I am not opposed to there being a Minimum set by Local Government, so long as it is the Local Government setting it.

    Several years ago Code Enforcement in the County of Gaston, NC, was pushing for a higher standard for "Single Family Dwelling" (that's a house, by the way) at a time when housing prices were rising steeply. A local Architect opposed the new standard by demonstrting that material requirments in the new code would cause an increase of between $7,000 and $15,000 per house depending on design.

    A County employee argued that the new standard would increase fire safty.

    The Architect did not disagree with that argument, but won the battle with a very simple statement.

    "We can design and build a "Single Family Dwelling" that can survive a forest fire or a 2 megaton Nuclear explosion at near ground zero. BUT WHO COULD AFFORD IT?
  • Cliff 2012/06/10 11:26:48
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Cliff
    +3
    Regulations should only be thought of as minimum standards. Professionals are paid to determine if the minimum standards are sufficient.
  • jimmy Cliff 2012/06/10 15:25:19
    jimmy
    +1
    TOTALLY AGREE
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/10 10:15:14
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    I guess it depends on the situation....
  • MorbidCynic 2012/06/10 07:02:35 (edited)
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    MorbidCynic
    +2
    Regulations make it easier for the government to oppress people.
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/06/10 06:30:13
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +2
    Can regulations sometimes make us LESS safe? Take the seat belt it may save lives but also has caused death and other regulations are even more dangerous. Inspectors are bribbed and what good did the regulations accomplished ? What about concrete that has been watered down to cut cost then bridges fall down everyone saying What happened!!!! It happens no matter what regulations are on books!!!
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/06/10 06:21:36
    Undecided
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +3
    There are some regulation that go to far and some that do not go far enough. I use to design tools and equipment. We always try to design things that were as foolproof as possible, but we always found that some fool would find away to get injured. I have found safety guards that work with magnetic locks where they put metal slug to fool them, micro switches tied back so the machine could be operated with gates open. We finally put a vision system that was hooked up to a computer. You can not do that on every machine. But some day that is what is coming and the cost is going to be passed on. A 450 ton press does not pay much attention to an arm or head when it starts close a mold that weighs 2 tons until it is to late.
  • S and S 2012/06/10 05:37:58
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    S and S
    +2
    I so bad want to remove EVERY safety label from EVERYTHING>> then let Darwin reduce the stupid!....

    I bought a room air filter unit. the first 10 pages were all warnings.
  • Zak Smith 2012/06/10 05:14:59
    Undecided
    Zak Smith
    +4
    A little of both. Some regulations do provide us with safety. Over-regulation makes for absurd penalties, barriers to entrepreneurship, and obstacles to industry. Mandating certain safety regulations for factories for instance. Things like mandating that employers provide the opportunity for breaks, proper training, and access to safety equipment made factory work much safer. Imposing ridiculous fines when a worker decides to not wear safety glasses or gloves infringes on individual rights (even if the individual is stupid for not take advantage of a good situation).
  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/06/10 04:54:47
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    +1
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  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/06/10 04:39:58 (edited)
    Undecided
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    +3
    Excellence and Failure of Imagination



    The problem isn't with government regulation and standards or codes. The problem has a name. It's called "failure of imagination." The laws or different regulations are often the lowest common denominator and we should aim as high as possible. That's not just about cultivating excellence but it's about avoiding failures of imagination. Aiming higher than just doing the minimum can save a lot of trouble, and sometimes lives, down the road when things come up that one might not have imagined had they only looked to do the minimum.
  • marylou5 2012/06/10 04:27:24
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    marylou5
    +4
    The TSA is too busy checking Seniors and babies instead of "profiling" the people who blow up planes. Muslims blow up planes...not Seniors in wheel chairs and babies in diapers! Regulations prohibit profiling.......Does that make any sense to anyone but the TSA?
  • Diane S... marylou5 2012/06/10 06:32:49
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +3
    Great example !!!!
  • marylou5 Diane S... 2012/06/10 17:49:06 (edited)
    marylou5
    +1
    Thank you...a young female "daughter" with a prosthetic leg visited just this week and was AGAIN traumatized by her treatment at the airport! She tells them, and has documentation, that she has a computer chip in her leg and it operates on a battery!

    They did a full scan and then the pat down, which is "routine" for her .....and then asked her to remove her leather leg/hip bucket. Really!

    That's where she drew the line...it's a real hassle which involves removing her clothes and stripping to full lower body nudity! She said, "No way".. and asked for a supervisor and it "suddenly" became unnecessary! Amazing!

    By the way she is 5', a pretty, shy, blonde, weighs 90 lbs and is pearly white! She flies frequently and has sleepless night each time, because of the sleazy treatment at the airports by the TSA.
  • Diane S... marylou5 2012/06/10 17:50:56
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +1
    Sorry for her no one should have to endure that when she is no threat !!!!
  • marylou5 Diane S... 2012/06/12 16:50:48
    marylou5
    +2
    We always do something completely off the wall at the airport so she can forget the indignity of the TSA!
  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/10 03:23:01
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Excessive rules and regulation waste valuable time and resources, and in many cases, negate any responsibility if followed to the letter.
  • U-Dog 2012/06/10 02:57:55
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    U-Dog
    +4
    Bureaucratic systems have a long history of replacing common sense thinking with training and rules. Not that all training and rules are bad but after a while the culture can become one of CYA, don't rock the boat and don't save a man drowning in a foot of water if you haven't been properly trained in water recsue.
    man drown in foot of water
  • Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel 2012/06/10 02:52:42
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +5
    Too many regulations make us unsafe all of the time.
  • Keeping It Real 2012/06/10 02:40:21
    No. Without government regulation, no one is safe.
    Keeping It Real
  • Theresa 2012/06/10 02:33:49
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Theresa
    +3
    Some minimum codes are used to prevent better consumer protection.
  • Ozzyboy 2012/06/10 02:27:56
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Ozzyboy
    +5
    It is also an opportunity to squeeze more money out of the people. True story. EPA is now requiring more tests on water. That is ok but a friend who has a mobile home park, who has the water tested every year with no problems for years, now has to have three tests done in one year. Those tests used to cost about $100.00. With the EPA involved, it is now $2,200 each. After that only one will be required. Look at the financial abuse from this agency. What is the difference between the DEP and the EPA? since the national building codes were enacted the costs of permits, regulations and code requirements has gone wild. Costs more and less safe? You bet!
  • Diane S... Ozzyboy 2012/06/10 06:33:42
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +2
    Good example !!!!!
  • Ozzyboy Diane S... 2012/06/11 21:28:00
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    Thanks. Sorry it is so true.
  • Striker 2012/06/10 01:54:28
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Striker
    +3
    A good post with a point well made.
    As a retired designer/builder, I can state from experience and with honesty that hiding behind codes, laws, rules and regulations does serve to replace responsibility and remove liability.
    The building inspectors I endured were general those who took such jobs because they couldn't make it as contractors. To be fair, that wasn't all, but it was many of them.

    The codes are usually written by engineers, often of a large firm which specializes not in contruction but in writing the codes. Then these are adopted by governments, most often by each and every city/county government, and with every adoption the authors seel more code books. Those adoptions are often years after becoming available, IOW many are working with and protected by outdated codes.

    As "following the law" serves to exempt contractors from all liability, when things go wrong those who were harmed are without recourse. In a truly free competitive market touched on in this post, "it's the code" doesn't produce such victims without recourse.
  • Matt Gray 2012/06/10 01:52:30
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Matt Gray
    +3
    Who watches those who watch? Of course regulations make us less safe...they take away our civil liberties and all that we believe in. Stand up for yourselves!
  • Maria 2012/06/10 01:50:40
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Maria
    +2
    what about the Safety Inspections OSHA, EH&S;, Workplace, Labs etc? thought this would have take care of it..how can this go wrong? government don't have time to do all at this once heavy pail of paperwork. government too busy to go lobby social with their circle of friends drinking and cigar stuff...intend government do is talk the walk...
  • Red Branch 2012/06/10 01:39:37
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Red Branch
    +4
    Common sense or the intent of a law gets pushed aside in favor of having the forms filled out correctly.
  • Jane 2012/06/10 01:33:59
    No. Without government regulation, no one is safe.
    Jane
    +2
    All that matters in many corporations of today is that bottom line. There is no honor when CEO's get rewarded for failure. Reputations are based on the biggest bully.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/10 01:30:54
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Kane Fernau
    +6
    Government is rife with fraud. Government regulators are on the take. Most of them sit in an office looking at porn on a computer.
  • Maria Kane Fe... 2012/06/10 01:56:15
    Maria
    +3
    Safety Inspections OSHA, EH&S, Workplace, Labs etc should have took care of it..
    how can things go wrong? oh right government doesn't sweat so much all had to do is go lobby and be with their circle of friends drink, chat and cigar...
  • Maria Kane Fe... 2012/06/10 02:00:54
    Maria
    +3
    picture of a man and drinking cigar
    Safety Inspections OSHA, EH&S, Workplace, Labs etc should have took care of it..
    how can things go wrong? oh right government doesn't sweat so much all to do is go lobby and be with their circle of friends chat and cigar...
  • katywon 2012/06/10 00:46:19
    No. Without government regulation, no one is safe.
    katywon
    +2
    Everyone is safer with regs. Accidents are bound to happen no matter what the rules are
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/10 00:21:26
    Yes. Government codes turn into excuses for not doing more, or even enough.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +9
    Here's a tragedy I didn't mention in the article: the Air Florida disaster. A Boeing 737 took off out of Washington National Airport on a cold, icy day. She took off with ice on the wings. The copilot kept trying to tell the captain that something was wrong, and would they please stop and de-ice. The captain said, "It satisfies the feds."

    As soon as they took off, the whole plane shook from nose to tail. And as everyone knows, it went down into the Potomac. Only five people survived.

    Commercial aviation is one of the most heavily regulated industries known to man. Did that save those people? Those regulations turned into a crutch. Without that crutch, maybe that captain would have paid more attention to the bad weather. Maybe the airline would have insisted that its captains pay better attention--because if they lost a plane, they'd have only themselves to blame, and no one could say, "But we worked up to code."

    "Good enough for government work" is not good enough. And maybe without that crutch, everybody would seek to be the best at what they do.

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