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Can older inmates successfully return to society?

L.A. Times 2013/02/12 16:00:00
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A Los Angeles County judge responsible for reconsidering the life prison terms of more than 1,000 offenders sentenced under the state's three-strikes law began the process Monday at a hearing where he reduced the punishments for five inmates convicted of relatively minor crimes.

Among those given shorter sentences was a 74-year-old who has served more than 15 years for possessing $10 worth of drugs and an 81-year-old behind bars for more than 17 years for stealing dozens of packs of cigarettes.

The hearing came three months after voters overwhelmingly approved Proposition 36, which softened California's tough three-strikes law and allowed many inmates sentenced for non-serious and nonviolent offenses to ask for shorter prison terms. In Los Angeles County, the hearings are expected to continue through at least much of this year.

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  • Jim 2013/02/13 16:34:05 (edited)
    Yes
    Jim
    +8
    If we had old-fashioned halfway houses, older ex-cons could be reintegrated into society. How do we fund them? Arrest the banksters who are still at large and liquidate their ill-gotten gains, including property and assets. Put that money into a Trust that pays the expenses of such halfway houses and vocational rehab.

    If a 74-year-old man gets 15 for possessing $10 worth of drugs, then Jon Corzine should be in prison without parole AND his entire private possessions, including real estate, seized and sold to repay his victims.

    Lloyd Blankfein, Vikram Pandit, Jamie Dimon, David Rockefeller, the Rothschild banksters, the Bush Crime Family, the Clintonistas, their armies of faceless enablers... we should have had a thousand French Revolutions and piles of dead elites by now!

    But NO. We beat up the poor, the petty thieves, and pot heads. Don't feel too smug, petit bourgeoisie and bourgeois class. You're next to be sacrificed, for whatever benefit it may serve the Power Elites!

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  • CONVOY 2013/02/18 12:55:51
    Yes
    CONVOY
    Robert
    Downey
    Jr.
  • zsa zsa 50 2013/02/15 17:41:20
    Yes
    zsa zsa 50
    15 years for 10 dollars worth of drugs? What a waste of taxpayer dollars. I doubt we need to be protected from the 74 year old any longer.
  • Nudenz 2013/02/15 11:39:43
    No
    Nudenz
    The US seems to (in general) have a punishment mentality. ("Lock 'em up and throw away the key). With that kind of mentality, rehabilitation goes out the window.
    Finally! It does not seem to reduce the rate of crime.
  • HillaryLover 2013/02/15 11:31:38
    Yes
    HillaryLover
    Yes, but it will require support systems. But it's absolutely evil to lock anyone away for years for committing non-violent crimes. That is not justice. That is mean-spirited nonsense.. It is also extremely costly to the states.
  • Paul 2013/02/15 10:35:37
    Yes
    Paul
    I meant to say NO... why should they..???
  • CP 2013/02/15 03:33:48
    No
    CP
    Why?
  • LWS 2013/02/14 21:59:11
    Yes
    LWS
    Yes they can but it will be a hard bitter road for them to travel: 1st being old doesn't give them a wide range of jobs, 2nd most of there family and friends have either passed away or moved on 3rd and most he/she is a con and most company's will not hire anyone with a record. So the chips are stacked against them but it can be done with a little help from society.
  • Timmy! 2013/02/14 21:36:46
    No
    Timmy!
    +2
    The way we as a society demonize people, NO. People make mistakes/commit crimes and they do the time/punishment. Thats the way we should treat them.
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2013/02/14 19:29:53
    Yes
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    ...But not so much in the US justice system. The US has much higher recidivism rates. The reasons for that are complex and varied. Also, some types of criminals simply have higher recidivism than others (e.g. child rapists and serial killers). Some criminal psychology and behavior is more difficult to rehabilitate than others.

    Some things like pot possession shouldn't have been criminalized in the first place, so that should be one of the first things to be reconsidered and not just from the court end of things.
  • Ozymandias 2013/02/14 18:32:34
    Yes
    Ozymandias
    If they're not violent inmates and they've been reformed, I see no reason why they can't.
  • doofiegirl BTO-t- BCRA-F ~... 2013/02/14 16:42:39
    No
    doofiegirl  BTO-t- BCRA-F ~PWCM~
    +1
    Where is the choice for Really stupid decision ? Just what we need! More criminals on the streets!
  • Emanon 2013/02/14 14:45:07
    Yes
    Emanon
    we need drug and prison reform overall - - we need to stop correctional officer's lobby [especially in California] and prison owners/operators that lobby congress to make crimes get harsher and harsher sentences for petty offenses because it helps the Correctional officer's union and the owners of the prison...

    But such is life..


    Goes back to my liberal, progressive, democratic socialist - national conservative cave.
  • yabbadabbadoo 2013/02/14 11:56:29
    Yes
    yabbadabbadoo
    most of them shouldnt have left society to begin with
  • ivegotloveinmypants 2013/02/14 10:00:25
    Yes
    ivegotloveinmypants
    If they have committed relatively minor crimes and have served for a resonable amount of time, then there is no reason why they should not be allowed to be reintergrated back into society. The thre strikes law- while perhaps effective in some areas, is pretty tough. And America's futile war on drugs- evidenced in the life sentence for possessing just $10 worth of drugs, can be whittled down.
  • Chuck 2013/02/14 03:37:06
    Yes
    Chuck
    It depends on the individual person. A good number of them really struggle with adjusting to life outside of prison.
  • Olde' Smoke 2013/02/14 03:28:44
    Yes
    Olde' Smoke
    +1
    thats why the 3 strike rule is shoty.
  • El Prez 2013/02/14 01:01:10
    Yes
    El Prez
    +1
    Some of these sentences were stupid and for very minor infractions. Some people can be re-abilitated.
  • bubbaDAkang 2013/02/14 00:36:57
    No
    bubbaDAkang
    +1
    FUGG NO it dosent matter if you did 10 years or 10 days if you are convicted of a felony in this country its curtins...unless you work for yourself get used to substandard living...you can never return to a normal life there's always gonna be something standing in the way of progress there are no laws that are enforced to protect you from discrimination...the american justice system is designed to punish the indegent and recycle not to rehabillitate
  • Steelshrt 2013/02/14 00:08:01
    No
    Steelshrt
    +1
    After being in so long, they will not be able to function in today's society. Too much pressure.
  • luckyone806 2013/02/13 18:51:32
    No
    luckyone806
    +1
    No way . Once a person is in the system they turn into profit margin for the corporations . We have outrageous amounts of legislation and more on the way that is intended to lock people up . We have a higher incarceration rate than any other nation and we also have way more idiotic legislation !! There is no longer any reform in the reformatory and when people get out there are so many laws that work against them and most prisoners family's or friends forget about them . The gov unions that are in bed with the private corporations running our prison system are robbing us blind just as they do with all our other municipality's !! People need to wake up and take the profiteering away for private corporations out of our public municipalities and prison system . People who are locked up today have much less of a chance of getting out and becoming a productive part of society because very few prisons offer reform or decent education programs because it would take away from corporate profits .
  • Murph 2013/02/13 18:43:22
    Yes
    Murph
    +2
    Probably. Most non-violent crimes should not have been included in the three strikes category to begin with.
  • TombstoneJim 2013/02/13 18:42:23
    Yes
    TombstoneJim
    +1
    I don't think the 74 or 81 year old are a threat to society....now they will most proably commit misdemeanors again....leapords, and spot being what they are....
  • luckyon... Tombsto... 2013/02/13 18:55:58
    luckyone806
    +2
    Could you imagine getting locked up 30 or 40 years ago and trying to come out of the strict structure of prison to today's crazy busy world
  • mm61675 luckyon... 2013/02/13 19:51:25
    mm61675
    +2
    like in the movie Shawshank Redemption. so sad
  • luckyon... mm61675 2013/02/13 20:13:02
    luckyone806
    +1
    Yeah just like that . Would suck . Everyone forgets that those people go to prison to do their penance . society never truly forgives a lot of convicts violent or not . It's the brand . Would be hard shoes to fill
  • Tombsto... luckyon... 2013/02/14 15:03:01
    TombstoneJim
    +2
    guess it would be like that Japanese WWII solider that "surrendered" in the 1980's......it would be a shock, no one telling you when to eat, sleep and exercise......if you use a gun in a crime that should be your 3rd strike.....non-violent crimes, it doesn't make sense for the life sentence.....
  • Chris D 2013/02/13 17:52:36
    Yes
    Chris D
    +2
    depends on the person and the crime really....
  • OGMGS1 2013/02/13 17:51:00
    Yes
    OGMGS1
    +2
    Most can. But they can't just do it themselves. They need support
  • roman 2013/02/13 17:39:26
    Yes
    roman
    +2
    provided they show a non violent charecter, i see no problem
  • harley oldman 2013/02/13 17:36:59
    Yes
    harley oldman
    +4
    Some can....Some can`t...!
  • joe mauro 2013/02/13 16:46:56
    Yes
    joe mauro
    +3
    wise up and start reviewing cases on a one to one basis.
  • Jim 2013/02/13 16:34:05 (edited)
    Yes
    Jim
    +8
    If we had old-fashioned halfway houses, older ex-cons could be reintegrated into society. How do we fund them? Arrest the banksters who are still at large and liquidate their ill-gotten gains, including property and assets. Put that money into a Trust that pays the expenses of such halfway houses and vocational rehab.

    If a 74-year-old man gets 15 for possessing $10 worth of drugs, then Jon Corzine should be in prison without parole AND his entire private possessions, including real estate, seized and sold to repay his victims.

    Lloyd Blankfein, Vikram Pandit, Jamie Dimon, David Rockefeller, the Rothschild banksters, the Bush Crime Family, the Clintonistas, their armies of faceless enablers... we should have had a thousand French Revolutions and piles of dead elites by now!

    But NO. We beat up the poor, the petty thieves, and pot heads. Don't feel too smug, petit bourgeoisie and bourgeois class. You're next to be sacrificed, for whatever benefit it may serve the Power Elites!
  • luckyon... Jim 2013/02/13 18:57:41
    luckyone806
    +1
    Well put
  • ivegotl... Jim 2013/02/14 10:02:41
    ivegotloveinmypants
    +1
    Some good points. But what did the Rothschilds do wrong?
  • Jim ivegotl... 2013/02/14 12:40:22
    Jim
    +1
    It would take a full encyclopedia set to list and discuss the legendary crimes and agenda of the Rothschilds! Their name literally means "Red Shield." In the briefest of nutshells, they ARE the criminal global elites and they literally rule the world through the predatory banking system they took part in creating over a century ago.

    The Rothschilds are part of a tiny elite banking mafia, which includes some other very old money names, like the Rockefellers, duPonts, Warburgs, Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe). The more visible legates we're allowed to notice also run the Too-Big-Too-Fail banks i.e. Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, Vikram Pandit, Ben Bernanke, and others in that caste.

    The next caste down from them run the G7 governments, either in office or behind the scenes. The Bush Crime Family is such a family and they have many powerful associates who serve them. Including the Clintons, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Kissinger, etc. They successfully orchestrate the massive hoax and fraud that makes us believe we are free and can democratically elect our President and Congress.
  • Jere Jim 2013/02/15 03:00:24
    Jere
    +1
    You are so full of Sheet your eyes are brown.
  • luckyon... Jere 2013/02/28 22:16:51
    luckyone806
    If you only knew how much truth is behind what is being said !! U would sheet yourself !!
  • Jere luckyon... 2013/02/28 22:52:17
    Jere
    You are stupid bigoted anti Semite you have no idea what you are talking about.
  • luckyon... Jere 2013/03/01 04:22:33
    luckyone806
    On what point might that be ?? What have I said that is anti-semetic ?? Don't try that BS . Just because I am looking at fact based on nothing more than actions has nothing to do with race . If you don't like what I have to say then disprove it ? Fractional money lending and fiat currency's are a huge problem . Look at the facts about history . Look at the cause and effect that is present in the world today . Get real !!!
  • luckyon... ivegotl... 2013/02/14 22:24:15
    luckyone806
    +1
    They are allowed to use what is called the Usury system of corrupt banking that has plagued mankind for eons . Amstel Rothschild believed that he did not need to care who controlled the country or who wrote the laws as long as he could figure out how to control the money he could thus control the country . These are the people that run the NWO . The IMF And are also one of the investors in the private fir profit Federal Reserve . Look up Fiat currency. What is the difference between a Note and a Certificate . Watch a documentary called the " Secret of Oz " . Look up the real truth about the South and the Civil War . Research Free Black Confederate Soldiers and learn about the competing economy's not the indoctrinated racism that were the cause of the Civil War . Wage slavery . what is called The Washington DC Organic Act of 1871 . ( we really need to undo that one ) . You should look into some of these things . U may find all the facts interesting .

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