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Can Apes Outthink Humans?

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According to The Associated Press, scientists have discovered that the DNA of a bonobo ape is only about 1.3 percent different from humans. And ape behavior continues to astonish scientists as they demonstrate thinking processes and capabilities we never thought possible. For instance, one study showed bonobos will "pack" the tools they need to access food if they're moving to a remote location for the night, and remember to take them with the next day.

Another study showed that if one chimpanzee can see a piece of food and another cannot, the chimp that can see the food is able to recognize this advantage and keep the food hidden -- in other words, chimps are able to put themselves in another's shoes. Another study tried to determine how many pictures baboons could memorize over the course of three years, and by the end of the study, they could remember the pictures better than the scientists testing them.

Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal told AP, "Capacities that we think in humans are very special and complex are probably not so special and not so complex. This research in animals elevates the animals, but it also brings down the humans... If monkeys can do it and maybe dogs and other animals, maybe it's not as complex as you think." Do you think apes have the brainpower to outthink humans?

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  • golem48 2012/06/26 08:20:49
    Yes
    golem48
    +2
    Far better than some of our so called leaders..
  • MorbidCynic 2012/06/26 08:11:14 (edited)
    No
    MorbidCynic
    +2
    That will never happen. Though some humans have the mind of an animal.
  • gvc 2012/06/26 07:44:52
    Yes
    gvc
    +3
    They can out think any Liberal I have seen on Soda Head so far.
  • USAF Vet 2012/06/26 06:29:21
    No
    USAF Vet
    +4
    I'd like to see an Ape figure this out:

    rubik s cube
  • Jiorgia USAF Vet 2012/06/26 08:41:01
    Jiorgia
    +2
    “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
    ― Albert Einstein
  • Butterb... USAF Vet 2012/06/27 07:44:39 (edited)
    ButterbeerMe
    I don't even think the majority of humans can figure this out..
  • whimsycrat 2012/06/26 06:28:29
    No
    whimsycrat
    +4
    No, apes just aren't smart enough to create and produce a collective nuclear arsenal capable of completely annihilating their own species and every other species on earth, and making the planet pretty much completely uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years. Only humans are smart enough to do that.
  • Jiorgia whimsycrat 2012/06/26 08:41:11
    Jiorgia
    +2
    “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
    ― Albert Einstein
  • whimsycrat Jiorgia 2012/07/05 01:12:06
    whimsycrat
    That's one of my favorite Einstein quotes. It never surprises me when research shows that animals are more intelligent than we thought. I think that research will show over the next who know how many years, decades, centuries, that animals are much smarter and have much more complex "inner lives" and relationships than we had previously thought or even imagined.
  • Michael... whimsycrat 2012/06/27 08:04:31
    Michael McFascist
    +1
    mmmm...yes....very smart indeed.
  • whimsycrat Michael... 2012/06/30 05:13:39
    whimsycrat
    +1
    Oops!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Sometimes I just can't get the video links to work right. I don't know why.
  • ButterbeerMe 2012/06/26 05:58:03 (edited)
    Yes
    ButterbeerMe
    +11
    Most of the apes and baboons I've worked with have been smarter than most little kids I've seen running around.

    Edit: I'd also like to say something after seeing the comments some people make along the lines of "Well let's see them do math" or, "They don't have a complex understanding of things the way we do".

    Zoo Atlanta has an orangutan that knows about 500 different words in sign language. How much of another language do any of you know after English? In fact, I talked to one of his keepers down there last year and she said that when she started working at the zoo she didn't know any sign language, and so the orangutan ended up being the one to teach her sign language, which is incredible. They're a lot smarter than people give them credit for, but personally I think the human race is generally pretty arrogant when it comes to other species.
  • Marianne Butterb... 2012/06/26 06:58:33
    Marianne
    +2
    Excellent analysis deserving a double rave ...
  • Butterb... Marianne 2012/06/26 07:31:23
    ButterbeerMe
    +1
    Thanks! :)
  • Marianne Butterb... 2012/06/26 07:32:40
    Marianne
    +1
    You're welcome, you deserved it.
  • gvc Butterb... 2012/06/26 07:48:31
    gvc
    +1
    The ape was taught sign language. He didn't just wake up one day communicating in that manner.
    Most people can be taught. To suggest because he can use a method of communication he was taught, and a human who hasn't been taught can't makes him smarter than humans is complete nonsense.
  • Patric gvc 2012/06/26 12:49:36
    Patric
    +2
    most people can be taught ??

    have you seen the " product " of the inner city high schools ???
  • gvc Patric 2012/06/26 16:20:08
    gvc
    +2
    Of course you have to be willing.....like the Ape.
  • Patric gvc 2012/06/26 16:36:20
    Patric
    +1
    hmm,, are you suggesting the zoo has more to work with than the city high school?

    in some cases ... I would say yes...
  • Butterb... gvc 2012/06/27 06:22:18 (edited)
    ButterbeerMe
    +1
    All I'm saying is, I know plenty of people who struggle memorizing just 50 words of another language, much less memorizing *and* retaining 500 over the span of many years.
  • Michael... gvc 2012/06/27 08:42:48
    Michael McFascist
    I don't think that's exactly what she was trying to say. she said they were smarter than some of the kids she's seen running around. she also said we have a tendency to underestimate other animals cognitive abilities. That's all she was saying.
  • alun.pa... gvc 2012/06/28 00:32:37
    alun.palmer
    I don't believe that they are smarter than us, and I don't think she was saying that either, but you do make an interesting point. Humans developped true languages, but non-human apes had to be taught to do sign language by a human initially, even though they have shown they can teach sign language to their own offspring and even to humans. She said they were smarter than little kids, which is a bit vague, but adult chimps and gorillas are reckonned to have about the same IQ as human toddlers, so I expect she knows what she is talking about.
  • MorbidC... Butterb... 2012/06/26 08:14:19 (edited)
    MorbidCynic
    +2
    From what I've seen grown apes and baboons have the same intelligence as little kids. And that orangutan didn't learn sign language on it's own. And even little kids are capable of learning sign language.
  • Kat Butterb... 2012/06/26 11:40:39
    Kat
    Humans taught it sign language, what did it teach them?
  • Invader... Kat 2012/06/26 14:47:12
    InvaderXion420
    +1
    Sign language ... It may not have just manifested the skill, but the fact that it not only understands 500 different words in sign language, it retains the ability to actively teach and educate others. How many animals do you know that can consciously an actively teach someone anything, with the sole intent of teaching and not simply as a byproduct of the actions itself. Very impressive.
  • gvc Invader... 2012/06/26 16:35:41
    gvc
    +1
    Hmmm interesting.

    My dog eats dinner everyday at 4:30. If I am doing something else she reminds me, without fail at 4:30. I would say she is trying to teach me something. She wants her dinner ON TIME.

    The question is, what is the Ape saying with sign language? Is it having complex conversations or is it requesting basic needs.
    Honestly, it sounds no different than a animal trained to do tricks in a circus act, and hardly proves they are smarter than humans.
  • Butterb... gvc 2012/06/27 06:32:49
    ButterbeerMe
    +1
    There was one instance when they asked him to go get one of the females and lead her over to the mesh. Instead of doing that he signed "no" and that he wanted a "soda" (which was actually fruit juice). When the keeper signed to him that the soda was in the other room, he signed "let me see it first" and wouldn't go get the female until the keepers brought him his soda. Whether you think it's a sign of intelligence or just conditioned circus tricks, it's a cute story so I thought I'd share. :)
  • gvc Butterb... 2012/06/27 22:11:13
    gvc
    +1
    It is a cute story, and interesting.

    I think all animals are smart....I just doubt they are smarter than humans.

    Now when that Ape, wakes up, gets dressed, drives through bumper to bumper traffic and does my job as well as I do.....I will be worried! :-)
  • Michael... Butterb... 2012/06/27 07:50:23
    Michael McFascist
    +3
    I heard a story about when they first started doing cognitive tests on primates and they originally believed that orangs weren't as intelligent chimps or apes because when they didn't seem to be using tools like the others. It had something to do with screw drivers and the apes and chimps would use them as backscratchers but the orangs wouldn't use them for anything...but one day they came in to discover that one of the orangs had actually used the screw driver to remove the hard ware from the door to his enclosure. I don't know if that's a true story or not though.
  • Butterb... Michael... 2012/06/27 08:05:20
    ButterbeerMe
    +2
    That's awesome! I could easily see that being true. I know there was a zookeeper who was fired because one of his orangs got out of its enclosure overnight twice and he couldn't figure out why. I think most assumed he was being careless and leaving the holding area unlocked at night. Finally they decided to put a video camera in their holding area and discovered that the orang had somehow gotten hold of a small metal pin that he was using to unlock his enclosure at night. The keeper never found the pin because whenever he'd come around the orang would hide it in his bottom lip. They can be sneaky!

    Here's a pretty cool link about an orangutan in California who became famous for his escapes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • Michael... Butterb... 2012/06/27 08:16:36
    Michael McFascist
    +1
    That's neat I''d never heard of ken Allen. I've heard that they're sneakier...like if they know something they might not let you know they know it...whereas chimps and apes are more demonstrative
  • socokid 2012/06/26 05:52:45
    No
    socokid
    +2
    However, we would have to define "think".

    Many animals have better memories than humans. Some are much faster in processing certain information, etc... However, humans have developed niche advances in some areas of "thought" that are unequaled.

    In the end, I believe animals are far more capable of conscious thought, intelligence, and experiencing emotions than many realize. Humans were not created in a vacuum. We share common traits with all other life, even more so with closer relatives. We may look at our technical advances and volumes of compounding information and think we are exponentially more advanced... but I believe we will find that our ability to do these things took evolutionary advances that were not nearly as large as some think.

    Not even close.
  • Sebastianchocolatebeargiles 2012/06/26 05:51:43
    Yes
    Sebastianchocolatebeargiles
    Technically it's possible
  • Mike 2012/06/26 05:13:51
    Yes
    Mike
    +1
    Being wild they might and I am convinced that many humans are less intelligent.
  • Stef and the City 2012/06/26 04:46:35
    Yes
    Stef and the City
    +3
    Any animal can and most of them take better care of their young too.
  • Birthpangs Stef an... 2012/06/26 14:16:42
  • Stef an... Birthpangs 2012/06/26 22:35:45
    Stef and the City
    Yes, some do. But have you heard what some humans do to their own young?
  • retiredingeorgia 2012/06/26 04:43:56
    No
    retiredingeorgia
    +1
    That's a loaded question, I don't think I should EVEN go there...
  • Stan Weinstein 2012/06/26 04:42:53
    Yes
    Stan Weinstein
    +1
    Especially Republicans!
  • alun.pa... Stan We... 2012/06/26 05:29:56
    alun.palmer
    +1
    LOL! Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, maybe.

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