
Can anyone tell me when, in the course of history, marriage has NOT been defined as man and woman.
justagudguy~PWCM~JLA
2012/05/11 09:59:47
I don't understand the big deal with NC defining marriage as a union between man and woman.
It has Always been a man and woman throughout the
course of history
It has Always been a man and woman throughout the
course of history
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rightside 2012/05/11 17:41:49it alway has and alway will be man and woman





















My husband and I have 2 couples that are in a civil union. Good friends and we and they have no problem with calling it a civil union. Neither couple. They agree with my husband and I. I was surprised when my husband brought up our opinion and they agreed. "It's a new concept to some people" was one response. I was afraid an argument was to ensue, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I should add that both couples expect in the future people will eventually call a civil union a marriage.
They call purposeful ignorance a "bad faith decision" for a reason and the pun is too often fitting.
As for recognition, throughout history, marriage has been recognized by a state, organization, religious authority, tribal group or peers/community. It's not been, throughout history, just a binary of what is legally recognized by the state or not.
Today, government gets involved in the financial and custody contract part of things. I don't see how they could **totally** withdraw all involvement in these areas, a discussion panel of lawyers willing to give that discussion its due would be far more enlightening as to how lines could possibly be redrawn, but that shouldn't be an excuse for people to try to enshrine their religious sentiments into law (theocratic majoritarianism, the flip side of which is prejudice which decreases of civil and other rights and privileges for various parties).
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I Think WE Need To Perform this on ALL Lib's...as They Have Been Possed....
For self, to realize my days as some "Super Sailor" are way over... now, I am just a man in the service of my Lord, and not a very good one, imho.
'Tween you and me, He could have done a lot better.
My Opinion Is Mine and NOT Pointless to those That Care about a Man and a Woman Married...
Much later, in 2nd century Rome, conjugal contracts between men of about the same age were ridiculed but legally binding. Such marriages were blessed by pagan religions, particularly sects of the Mother Goddess Cybele (imported from Asia Minor).
Many ancient writers, such as Strabo and Athenaeus, wrote that the Gauls or Celts commonly practised homosexuality.
Aristotle wrote that the Celts "openly held in honor passionate friendship (synousia) between males".
Diodorus Siculus wrote that "Although the Gauls have lovely women, they scarcely pay attention to them, but strangely crave male embraces (arrenon epiplokas).
Bardaisan of Edessa wrote that "In the countries of the north — in the lands of the Germans and those of their neighbors, handsome [noble] young men assume the role of wives [women] towards other men, and they celebrate marriage feasts."
Early 18th century London, gay men also got married, but without legal sanction. In the 1720s there were about 40 "molly houses" in central London, disorderly pubs or coffee houses where gay men (called "mol...
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Much later, in 2nd century Rome, conjugal contracts between men of about the same age were ridiculed but legally binding. Such marriages were blessed by pagan religions, particularly sects of the Mother Goddess Cybele (imported from Asia Minor).
Many ancient writers, such as Strabo and Athenaeus, wrote that the Gauls or Celts commonly practised homosexuality.
Aristotle wrote that the Celts "openly held in honor passionate friendship (synousia) between males".
Diodorus Siculus wrote that "Although the Gauls have lovely women, they scarcely pay attention to them, but strangely crave male embraces (arrenon epiplokas).
Bardaisan of Edessa wrote that "In the countries of the north — in the lands of the Germans and those of their neighbors, handsome [noble] young men assume the role of wives [women] towards other men, and they celebrate marriage feasts."
Early 18th century London, gay men also got married, but without legal sanction. In the 1720s there were about 40 "molly houses" in central London, disorderly pubs or coffee houses where gay men (called "mollies"). Many of these gay clubs had a "Marrying Room" or "Chapel"Molly marriages didn't have the blessing of any church until the 1810s, when Rev John Church officiated as the "Chaplain" at male gay marriages at The Swan in Vere Street.
Gay marriages among the American Indians, particularly the Sioux and the Cheyenne. In most such marriages one of the two men was called a berdache. One of the more famous berdaches was Yellow Head of the Cheyenne, who became the third wife of Chief Wagetote after being rejected by the white mountaineer John Tanner.
Rictor Norton, "Taking a 'Husband': A History of Gay Marriage", Gay History and Literature, 21 February 2004, amended 3 February 2006, updated 13 June 2008 .
Ancient History
Various types of same-sex marriages have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.
In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies. Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.
An example of egalitarian male domestic partnership from the early Zhou Dynasty period of China is recorded in the story of Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian. While the relationship was clearly approved by the wider community, and was compared to heterosexual marriage, it did not involve a religious ceremony binding the couple.
The first historical mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire. For instance,
Emperor Nero is reported to have engaged in a marriage ceremony with one of his male slaves.
Emperor Elagabalus "married" a Carian slave named Hierocles.
It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a so-called marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases). Furthermore, "matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater.
The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her." Still, the lack of legal validity notwithstanding, there is a consensus among modern historians that same-sex relationships existed in ancient Rome, but the exact frequency and nature of "same-sex unions" during that period is obscure.
In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married.
The first documented same-sex marriage was between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain on April 16, 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.
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