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Can anyone tell me when, in the course of history, marriage has NOT been defined as man and woman.

justagudguy~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/11 09:59:47
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it alway has and alway will be man and woman
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marriage ? whats that
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I don't understand the big deal with NC defining marriage as a union between man and woman.

It has Always been a man and woman throughout the
course of history

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  • mustangluver 2012/07/05 06:43:48
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    mustangluver
    +1
    Never or we wouldn't be here discussing this on SH. LOL Homosexuality has always been frowned upon from the beginning of time. Only ppl of ill repute accepted it, like Marque DeSade..LOL
  • gaylehelen 2012/07/03 22:50:41
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    gaylehelen
    +1
    I agree that the definition of marriage is a man and a woman. I have absolutely no problem with gay or lesbian couples committing to a civil union, but you can't change definitions. It's like saying we're going to call apples oranges and oranges apples from now on.
    My husband and I have 2 couples that are in a civil union. Good friends and we and they have no problem with calling it a civil union. Neither couple. They agree with my husband and I. I was surprised when my husband brought up our opinion and they agreed. "It's a new concept to some people" was one response. I was afraid an argument was to ensue, but I was pleasantly surprised.
    I should add that both couples expect in the future people will eventually call a civil union a marriage.
  • Wyzard 2012/07/03 12:42:10
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    Wyzard
    +3
    always will be in Gods eyes and mine
  • justagu... Wyzard 2012/07/03 12:58:28
  • ReconMa... Wyzard 2012/07/05 02:54:31
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/07/03 10:47:47 (edited)
    marriage ? whats that
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    +1
    We have books, online encyclopedias and other resources -- anyone with any ability and will to read outside their reality bubble could find out that the history of marriage, throughout the world and time, shows many examples of many different types of marriages (temporary marriages, same-sex marriages, group marriages, polyandry, polygamy, polygyny and more) and that this binary choice of answers here is willfully misleading.



    They call purposeful ignorance a "bad faith decision" for a reason and the pun is too often fitting.



    As for recognition, throughout history, marriage has been recognized by a state, organization, religious authority, tribal group or peers/community. It's not been, throughout history, just a binary of what is legally recognized by the state or not.



    Today, government gets involved in the financial and custody contract part of things. I don't see how they could **totally** withdraw all involvement in these areas, a discussion panel of lawyers willing to give that discussion its due would be far more enlightening as to how lines could possibly be redrawn, but that shouldn't be an excuse for people to try to enshrine their religious sentiments into law (theocratic majoritarianism, the flip side of which is prejudice which decreases of civil and other rights and privileges for various parties).
  • justagu... KarenIn... 2012/07/03 11:16:46
  • mustang... justagu... 2012/07/05 06:46:55
    mustangluver
    Because God expected them to multiply. Something gays cannot do on their best day.
  • Wyzard KarenIn... 2012/07/03 12:43:03
    Wyzard
    +1
    prove it!!!!!!!!!!
  • WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2012/07/03 07:46:25
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +3
    To the best of my knowledge marriage has always been a contract 'tween God, one man and one woman.
  • John Ga... WannaBe... 2012/07/03 08:06:52
  • justagu... WannaBe... 2012/07/03 11:13:25
  • ReconMa... WannaBe... 2012/07/05 02:55:17
  • WannaBe... ReconMa... 2012/07/05 05:47:24 (edited)
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +2
    Hey Recon. Morning to ya. :-) Listening to this, at the moment;
  • ReconMa... WannaBe... 2012/07/05 20:46:47
  • WannaBe... ReconMa... 2012/07/05 21:40:10
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    These days, I wonder who hasn't been infected by the evil that is so prevalent in this world.

    For self, to realize my days as some "Super Sailor" are way over... now, I am just a man in the service of my Lord, and not a very good one, imho.

    'Tween you and me, He could have done a lot better.
  • ReconMa... WannaBe... 2012/07/05 22:02:31
  • it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +5
    Even is secular societies like Japan and other industrial nations as well!
  • justagu... ☆The Ro... 2012/07/03 11:14:00
  • Wolfman 2012/07/03 07:12:04
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    Wolfman
    +4
    Marriage is between one man and one woman. Anything else is anything else.
  • justagu... Wolfman 2012/07/03 11:14:18
  • PaulBot415 2012/07/03 07:04:45
    it alway has and alway will be man and woman
    PaulBot415
    +3
    That is how it has always been defined. that is fact. though there are speculations from some as to if that is the correct definition.
  • justagu... PaulBot415 2012/07/03 11:14:56
  • beach bum 2012/05/20 02:57:07
    marriage ? whats that
    beach bum
  • lyteweaver.starchild 2012/05/19 02:52:33
    marriage ? whats that
    lyteweaver.starchild
    my understanding of marriage is the binding of 2 as 1. eg. nut and bolt, man and woman, etc. if you mean in the religious text though ... i don't believe there is such a text in the bible, however if you think about it ... God did in-fact make Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. lol. x
  • justagu... lytewea... 2012/05/19 05:44:16
  • ReconMa... justagu... 2012/05/24 08:41:31
  • mustang... lytewea... 2012/07/05 06:50:09
    mustangluver
    Even those who have no religion believe marriage is btwn a man and woman.
  • chicago 2012/05/18 15:09:27
    marriage ? whats that
    chicago
    +3
    The definition of marriage has changed ever since it's inception. Many different cultures have had many different definitions throughout history. Heck, up until 1967 it wasn't legal for whites to marry blacks in this country! I have no issue with the definition of marriage evolving, as it has always done, and as it always will.
  • ReconMa... chicago 2012/05/24 08:42:53
  • burning... ReconMa... 2012/07/03 10:35:48 (edited)
    burningsnowman
    Uh, it already has in the places it's recognized now so your point makes no sense. I don't even support same sex marriage btw.
  • ReconMa... burning... 2012/07/04 05:55:58
  • burning... ReconMa... 2012/07/04 21:48:16
    burningsnowman
    Use spell check bro.
  • ReconMa... burning... 2012/07/05 02:51:21
  • burning... ReconMa... 2012/07/05 04:17:11
    burningsnowman
    I'm not a liberal.
  • ReconMa... burning... 2012/07/05 20:47:27
  • Chaya2010 2012/05/16 14:31:11
    marriage ? whats that
    Chaya2010
    +5
    Gay men seem to have frequently married one another throughout history. In fact, in some societies marriages between gay men were officially recognized by the state, as in ancient Sparta, and on the Dorian island of Thera.

    Much later, in 2nd century Rome, conjugal contracts between men of about the same age were ridiculed but legally binding. Such marriages were blessed by pagan religions, particularly sects of the Mother Goddess Cybele (imported from Asia Minor).

    Many ancient writers, such as Strabo and Athenaeus, wrote that the Gauls or Celts commonly practised homosexuality.

    Aristotle wrote that the Celts "openly held in honor passionate friendship (synousia) between males".

    Diodorus Siculus wrote that "Although the Gauls have lovely women, they scarcely pay attention to them, but strangely crave male embraces (arrenon epiplokas).

    Bardaisan of Edessa wrote that "In the countries of the north — in the lands of the Germans and those of their neighbors, handsome [noble] young men assume the role of wives [women] towards other men, and they celebrate marriage feasts."

    Early 18th century London, gay men also got married, but without legal sanction. In the 1720s there were about 40 "molly houses" in central London, disorderly pubs or coffee houses where gay men (called "mol...











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    Gay men seem to have frequently married one another throughout history. In fact, in some societies marriages between gay men were officially recognized by the state, as in ancient Sparta, and on the Dorian island of Thera.

    Much later, in 2nd century Rome, conjugal contracts between men of about the same age were ridiculed but legally binding. Such marriages were blessed by pagan religions, particularly sects of the Mother Goddess Cybele (imported from Asia Minor).

    Many ancient writers, such as Strabo and Athenaeus, wrote that the Gauls or Celts commonly practised homosexuality.

    Aristotle wrote that the Celts "openly held in honor passionate friendship (synousia) between males".

    Diodorus Siculus wrote that "Although the Gauls have lovely women, they scarcely pay attention to them, but strangely crave male embraces (arrenon epiplokas).

    Bardaisan of Edessa wrote that "In the countries of the north — in the lands of the Germans and those of their neighbors, handsome [noble] young men assume the role of wives [women] towards other men, and they celebrate marriage feasts."

    Early 18th century London, gay men also got married, but without legal sanction. In the 1720s there were about 40 "molly houses" in central London, disorderly pubs or coffee houses where gay men (called "mollies"). Many of these gay clubs had a "Marrying Room" or "Chapel"Molly marriages didn't have the blessing of any church until the 1810s, when Rev John Church officiated as the "Chaplain" at male gay marriages at The Swan in Vere Street.

    Gay marriages among the American Indians, particularly the Sioux and the Cheyenne. In most such marriages one of the two men was called a berdache. One of the more famous berdaches was Yellow Head of the Cheyenne, who became the third wife of Chief Wagetote after being rejected by the white mountaineer John Tanner.

    Rictor Norton, "Taking a 'Husband': A History of Gay Marriage", Gay History and Literature, 21 February 2004, amended 3 February 2006, updated 13 June 2008 .

    Ancient History

    Various types of same-sex marriages have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

    In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies. Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.

    An example of egalitarian male domestic partnership from the early Zhou Dynasty period of China is recorded in the story of Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian. While the relationship was clearly approved by the wider community, and was compared to heterosexual marriage, it did not involve a religious ceremony binding the couple.

    The first historical mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire. For instance,

    Emperor Nero is reported to have engaged in a marriage ceremony with one of his male slaves.
    Emperor Elagabalus "married" a Carian slave named Hierocles.
    It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a so-called marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases). Furthermore, "matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater.

    The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her." Still, the lack of legal validity notwithstanding, there is a consensus among modern historians that same-sex relationships existed in ancient Rome, but the exact frequency and nature of "same-sex unions" during that period is obscure.

    In 342 AD Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans issued a law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) prohibiting same-sex marriage in Rome and ordering execution for those so married.

    The first documented same-sex marriage was between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain on April 16, 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.

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  • justagu... Chaya2010 2012/05/16 17:23:47
  • pat justagu... 2012/05/19 06:47:25
    pat
    +6
    Nah, he's talking historical fact.
  • mustang... pat 2012/07/05 06:55:25
    mustangluver
    Fact is they were all pervs so they accepted gays.
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