There are only two types of American citizens: NATURALized and NATURAL born. Parentage and purported "dual citizenship" are irrelevant: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Those who try to redefine "natural born citizen" for their own agenda are no better than those who try to redefine "torture" (e.g., waterboarding) for their own agenda.
Such rhetorical deception was highlighted in the story of Alice's adventures in "Through The Looking-Glass,"
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
- Lewis Carroll, English author & recreational mathematician (1832 - 1898)
Fortunately, the Rule of Law supersedes the Rule of Man in civilized societies
Can anyone show me a legally recognized document identifying them as a "Natural born citizen of the United States?"
Tea in the Harbor
2012/04/27 19:08:48
Of course you can't, they do not exist and never have. It's a status that has never been legally ascribed to any person, living or dead.
They're like Unicorns, Leprechauns, Trolls and Fairies, completely fictional characters.
It is mentioned in our constitution, but it's a status that has never existed under the law.
Go ahead birthers, prove me wrong. Show me any legal document that recognizes the status ever created by an authorized government entity, state or federal. Jump on up here with your bad self and show us all where the rubber hits the road genius!
You might as well be whining that Obama can't be President because he isn't a three eyed hot pink platypus, the same number of both exist. 0.
I would say I don't mean to make fun of you, but the truth is I DO mean to make fun of you, it's the only legitimate purpose for your existence. You don't have the integrity to feel shame, so we might as well get a few laughs out of you.
They're like Unicorns, Leprechauns, Trolls and Fairies, completely fictional characters.
It is mentioned in our constitution, but it's a status that has never existed under the law.
Go ahead birthers, prove me wrong. Show me any legal document that recognizes the status ever created by an authorized government entity, state or federal. Jump on up here with your bad self and show us all where the rubber hits the road genius!
You might as well be whining that Obama can't be President because he isn't a three eyed hot pink platypus, the same number of both exist. 0.
I would say I don't mean to make fun of you, but the truth is I DO mean to make fun of you, it's the only legitimate purpose for your existence. You don't have the integrity to feel shame, so we might as well get a few laughs out of you.
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Kaleokualoha 2012/04/27 19:18:41
That's what I thought. :)
IF your BIRTH CERTIFICATE has both parents listed as US CITIZENS, your document is COMPLETE, you are just un educated and DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DONT KNOW.
IF the BIRTH CERTIFICATE lists one parent as US CITIZEN and the other parent from another country, like AFRICA(Can the writer tell me what Country is AFRICA) that means the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is a DOCUMENT that says NON-NATURAL BORN.
More proof of the liberal IGNORANCE DEFINED.
The birthernuts are demanding that Obama meet criteria that do not exist.
Dumbass.
YOU FAILED TO KNOW THIS?
Go read, it will help you IF YOU CAN.
My opinions are NOT LAW is correct, your MISUNDERSTANDING of facts is YOUR PROBLEM.
I know why that is, and so do the people reading this, the law does not say what you claim it says. You can't find evidence to prove your point because you are wrong. You don't have the integrity to admit it, but that's OK, you don't have to be honest. We know it goes against your nature.
If YOU have not seen what it is you are looking for, TO BAD FOR YOU.
"Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the cop...
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
-MORE-
In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.
In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”
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For more information, contact: Donalyn Dela Cruz, Press Secretary, (808) 586-0012
http://hawaii.gov/gov
Did you know that neither of President Chester Arthor's parents were citizens of the United States? He qualified for the presidency though, because anyone born on US soil and not to foriegn dignitaries qualifies.
That isn't because the laws have changed, they haven't. It's because conservatives have less belief in liberty than they once had, but the nation has no responsibility to sink to their lowered standards.
So enough with your lies
Here's a link to the health depts publication of the letter requesting the document, and their response, stating that they will supply it. http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... Are you saying Hawaii sent him one but he released something else? That isn't what they say.
NEWS RELEASE
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the ori...
Here's a link to the health depts publication of the letter requesting the document, and their response, stating that they will supply it. http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... Are you saying Hawaii sent him one but he released something else? That isn't what they say.
NEWS RELEASE
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
-MORE-
In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.
In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”
###
For more information, contact: Donalyn Dela Cruz, Press Secretary, (808) 586-0012
http://hawaii.gov/health/vita...
I wasn't going to respond to this post, but it's been so long since I've been motherf*cked by you, I figured I was due, :-),,,
Right. And his long form is an obvious forgery? Sure it is dumbass, that's why it's been verified by officials from both political parties several times. What would the state of Hawaii know about their own documents compared to an immortal genius such as yourself right? You know more about Hawaiian birth certificates than two governors, one from each party, and two Directors of the State Dept of Health, again one from each party, could ever know about what they are the sole legal authorities on right? Because the whole world is fiction unless it meets tour approval right dumbass?
Pay particular attention to where the Governor says " no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship."
NEWS RELEASE
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in...
Right. And his long form is an obvious forgery? Sure it is dumbass, that's why it's been verified by officials from both political parties several times. What would the state of Hawaii know about their own documents compared to an immortal genius such as yourself right? You know more about Hawaiian birth certificates than two governors, one from each party, and two Directors of the State Dept of Health, again one from each party, could ever know about what they are the sole legal authorities on right? Because the whole world is fiction unless it meets tour approval right dumbass?
Pay particular attention to where the Governor says " no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship."
NEWS RELEASE
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
-MORE-
In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.
In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”
###
For more information, contact: Donalyn Dela Cruz, Press Secretary, (808) 586-0012
http://hawaii.gov/gov
A part of me wants to come back to Sodahead during the election cycle, but seeing that it's still a magnet for crackpot conspiracy nuts who are incapable of seek actual information or recognizing what is real makes me pause. Anyway I think you are brave to have continued trying to shed light into their minds.
I hate to break it to you, but you saying something doesn't make it true, and what you say here isn't.
There is no legally recognized "natural born citizen" status in the United States. It simply does not exist under our laws. There are natural citizens and naturalized citizens, but no natural born citizens.
You can beat me on this real easy, laws are written down by legislatures when they are passed so all you have to do is find the law passed by congress establishing the conditions for the status. If there is no such law, which there isn't but go ahead and check, then there is no such legally recognized status.
You will find such a bill that died, but none that have passed. The one that died, introduced by republican Sen. Don Nickles in 2004, reads:
2/25/2004--Introduced.
Natural Born Citizen Act - Defines the constitutional term "natural born citizen," to establish eligibility for the Office of President, as: (1) any person born in, and subject to the jurisdiction of, the United States; and (2) any person born outside the United States who derives citizenship at birth from U.S. citizen parents, or who is adopted by the age of 18 by U.S. citizen parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship.
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I hate to break it to you, but you saying something doesn't make it true, and what you say here isn't.
There is no legally recognized "natural born citizen" status in the United States. It simply does not exist under our laws. There are natural citizens and naturalized citizens, but no natural born citizens.
You can beat me on this real easy, laws are written down by legislatures when they are passed so all you have to do is find the law passed by congress establishing the conditions for the status. If there is no such law, which there isn't but go ahead and check, then there is no such legally recognized status.
You will find such a bill that died, but none that have passed. The one that died, introduced by republican Sen. Don Nickles in 2004, reads:
2/25/2004--Introduced.
Natural Born Citizen Act - Defines the constitutional term "natural born citizen," to establish eligibility for the Office of President, as: (1) any person born in, and subject to the jurisdiction of, the United States; and (2) any person born outside the United States who derives citizenship at birth from U.S. citizen parents, or who is adopted by the age of 18 by U.S. citizen parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship.
Which would clearly include the President, even foreign born children adopted by American citizens qualify and they would have NO natural American parents, but as I said the bill died so the status was never defined and therefore doesn't exist as a legal condition for anyone in the country.
By the way - what was all of the vetting of John McCain the last time he ran for President?
Didn't they have to prove that he was a natural born citizen born on American soil in order for him to run for President??? BY golly I think they did!
Show me. But you can't because it isn't in there. If you aren't going to tell the truth, why bother responding?
You are not a natural born citizen If your citizenship depends on an act of Congress. e.g., You are not a natural born citizen if your citizenship depends on the 14th Amendment.
There is no legally recognized "natural born citizen" status in the United States. It simply does not exist under our laws. There are natural citizens and naturalized citizens, but no natural born citizens.
You can beat me on this real easy, laws are written down by legislatures when they are passed so all you have to do is find the law passed by congress establishing the conditions for the status. If there is no such law, which there isn't but go ahead and check, then there is no such legally recognized status.
You will find such a bill that died, but none that have passed. The one that died, introduced by republican Sen. Don Nickles in 2004, reads:
2/25/2004--Introduced.
Natural Born Citizen Act - Defines the constitutional term "natural born citizen," to establish eligibility for the Office of President, as: (1) any person born in, and subject to the jurisdiction of, the United States; and (2) any person born outside the United States who derives citizenship at birth from U.S. citizen parents, or who is adopted by the age of 18 by U.S. citizen parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship.
Which would clearly include the President, even foreign born children adopted by American citizens qualify...
There is no legally recognized "natural born citizen" status in the United States. It simply does not exist under our laws. There are natural citizens and naturalized citizens, but no natural born citizens.
You can beat me on this real easy, laws are written down by legislatures when they are passed so all you have to do is find the law passed by congress establishing the conditions for the status. If there is no such law, which there isn't but go ahead and check, then there is no such legally recognized status.
You will find such a bill that died, but none that have passed. The one that died, introduced by republican Sen. Don Nickles in 2004, reads:
2/25/2004--Introduced.
Natural Born Citizen Act - Defines the constitutional term "natural born citizen," to establish eligibility for the Office of President, as: (1) any person born in, and subject to the jurisdiction of, the United States; and (2) any person born outside the United States who derives citizenship at birth from U.S. citizen parents, or who is adopted by the age of 18 by U.S. citizen parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship.
Which would clearly include the President, even foreign born children adopted by American citizens qualify and they would have NO natural American parents, but as I said the bill died so the status was never defined and therefore doesn't exist as a legal condition for anyone in the country.
And Congress has no authority to redefine the definition, the only way to change it is through an amendment...
"No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,and that Congress shall have power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." Thus, new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
http://supreme.justia.com/cas...
I hope this clears up your obvious confusion on this issue